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The Magna Carta has been around since 1215, the US constitution was drafted in 1788. i could go on, but pointing out the very obvious would be "wasting time". BTW: the Regina Manifesto remained on the NDP website as their fundamental belief until it was quietly taken down a couple of years ago. MUCH to the chagrin of the hard core party faithful. Chavez just did what every aspiring Marxist party would do - and once they get there, the reality about socialist governments is that given the power to dispense privilege, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Maduro just turned the heat up another notch. BTW: to all of your socialists out there: remember how that Chairman Mao thing went down? Yeah, over 100,000,000 citizens dead. Careful what you wish for. Oh, yeah, you/we are "different". Read the Regina Manifesto and tell me that again.

And you don;t think getting armed to the teeth, taking pledge to give up your own life for the cause, flying half way around the world to attack your fellow citizens in a foreign country is NOT an "uncivil lynch mob??"

It is not his Father's sin he needs to be accountable for, it is his. Someone who is defending his country can be considered a citizen soldier. Someone who willingly (in this case it seems more than a little willing) goes to another country to kill soldiers who are his own countrymen and their allies is a terrorist, not a combatant. It is not a difficult concept. This particular terrorist gets a pass on his crimes because he was both a minor and a Canadian, but I can't understand how any reasonable person could be worried about a lynch mob going after Khadr and be delighted to reward Khard to the tune of $10.5mm for joining a lynch mob to go after Canadians and their allies. I hoped we had evolved beyond that.

Thank you. THAT is a precise summary of the issue that has been eluding the whole thread for 88 pages. Add to that, Dialamah's pertinent observation, and we should be done here.

It was on their website. Read it (even google can find it). Canadians need to know what it is the NDP believes in - and acted on. And, today, it is impossible to tell an NDP from a Leberal, it seems.

the Regina Manifesto stayedo n the NDP website until just a few years ago. If learning important things is wasting your time...well I guess ignorance really is bliss.

You see, that is EXACTLY what is used as an excuse to nationalize (and, let it be noted, I can understand when it is done for the right reasons and in the right way). Venezuela has the largest reserves of proven and producible crude oil on the planet (we probably have more if the whole of Athabasca Oil Sands is considered) and when those greedy exploiters ran the business, it was a prosperous and wealthy country. With the Bolivarian Revolution, the full scale of Marxist theology was applied and nationalization took place. BUT: what also happened was what we seem to see every time the left takes control of an economy - positions in the engine of the economy (PDVSA) were all filled by party faithful, displacing the skilled workers who had no affiliation. PDVSA today can not fulfill half of its obligations, either resource, financial or human - pretty much like any other government run institution anywhere on the planet. Worse yet, the whole thing has been run by a megalomaniac who tried to use the country's wealth to promote his own political vision on the regional scene. Chavez just simply gave much of the Caricom a free ride on PDVSA's and Venezuela's back. You see, the resources BELONG to the people, and the people have 100% of the power to charge those who they permit to extract them whatever they wish. That accountability is gone when the resources are in the hands of a political master. Also, exactly as has happened in so many other socialist revolutions: to maintain power, Chavez and now Maduro have cozied up to the officials of bureaucracies and the military and has been robbing the place blind to make them filthy rich - and maintain the President's base of power. The ports have become so dangerous (vessel owners and operators being shaken down) that nobody wants to allow their vessels to be exposed, so only "the generals" are shipping - and in the case of oil and oil products, to be sold by their minions for their own benefit. This is not only the problem of socialist states (although one can not help but notice that probably the wealthiest person on this planet supposedly has had nothing but his government paycheque for income - of course I mean Uncle Vlad) but common to almost all resource rich countries (Nigeria comes to mind).

Read the Regina Manifesto, and remember that the NDP nationalized potash, oil pipelines, telephones, insurance, electricity, gas - you name it - plunging Saskatchewan into a development dead end for 40+ years. Even the federal government has to be cited for nationalizing much of the aviation industry, had a go at oil and gas with Petro-Can, declared its own monopoly on food through the Canadian Wheat Board. The leftist who did his very best to stall the end of the CWB is now Minister of "Public Safety" in the little Trudeau cabinet. Ever hear about cream quotas? Supply management is alive, if not very well.

Why is it that nobody has posted about the problems in Venezuela? It certainly is a prominent and very political issue. My guess is that the abject failure of the Bolivarian Revolution hits too close to home for the left in Canada.

I think you will find that the #1 is actually cultivation of marijuana.

I do feel sorry for those who have been displaced, dispossessed or even just inconvenienced, but there is another side to this story. Coniferous forests have been burning forever - and some species require fire to release their seeds. We build houses out of kindling in areas that are heavily forested, and the put out the fires that would naturally make them more stable and then everyone is surprised when a really hot fire consumes their kindling structure. Kind of like those who build homes at ground level on a flood plane, then get flooded out. Couldn't see that one coming. BTW: I would like to see the numbers for contribution of forest fires to the CO2 issue that the climate changers think is due to cars driving to work.

First of all, please let me thank you and whoever pays your bills for the time and effort you put into participating in this and other debates on this website. I really DO appreciate what some people who have studied the law try to do in what they believe is the "right thing". HOWEVER (and this is a big however) the many times I have had to become involved with the process, it is precisely because I see practicioners at all levels applying the law precisely to suit their political and/or financial agenda, not to protect any kind of rights that are assumed to exist for Canadian citizens. This Khadr compensation thing is a perfect example. I hope you can take my criticisms as intending to be constructive, as I would not want to dull your idealistic image of the institution - just help you appreciate from a framework of reality the level of scum that abuses it - "in the name of the law".

The crown gets caught RED HANDED FLAT OUT LYING THEIR ASS OFF - which nobody else had ever been able to prove in other court actions . except when the same guy handed them their ass on the Sawatsky case, the judge admits there was no offence committed, and THEN he gets jailed for an offence that never happened - and was proven so? If you think that is "poor lawyering" you have a lot to learn about the law. BTW: not a single lawyer in Canada had the balls to take this one on. Your ignorance of the case matches your dissregard for the travesty of justice the same Minister shoved down Canada's throat with Khadr. You must be contemplating running for president of the fed Libs.

Oh....geee.....wait 'till I can get up from LMFAO!!!!!!!! I have referred a number of times in this thread as to what your precious Minister of "Public Safety" did to Andy McMechan when he committed the egregious crime of selling his own barley...LEGALLY (as clearly pronounced by Mr. Justice Ross Whimmer). Straight to jail for an offence allegedly committed under a different act as a result of doing something that was not at all illegal, again as pointed out by the same judge who locked him up in what was nothing but a kangaroo court. Then there are the other higher profile cases: David Milgaard, Larry Fisher, Donal Marshall, and on it goes. Yes, we let them out of jail - 20 years after locking them up on trumped up charges (my applogies to the Donald). Anyone with any interest or knowledge could go on to cite hundreds of cases.

So was EVERYTHING the Khadr family did with respect to al Qaeda since they came to Canada, and in ANY place, highly illegal (treasonous) what was done by dear old Dad and Omar when they left Canada to perpare for and attack Canadian soldiers and/or their allies.

I am not TRYING to do, reality is that is exactly what was done and why.

That's the point: we can not have them on our soil, for obvious legal and moral reasons. Problem is: our laws based on all of those things I mentioned simply don't anticipate a Canadian family funding and participating in something beyond our cultural and ethical (not to mention legal) norms, then running back here to seek our welfare and protection of our personal rights and freedoms as citizens.

Which is exactly why the US had to have Gitmo, and also rely on foreign powers to "handle" detainees. We are constrained by a set of laws that assume a society based upon truth, integrity, accountability and a general intent to do good - mostly made possible because we have a business climate based on the same that has allowed the incredible prosperity for us to afford this navel gazing. When you are forced to deal with an enemy that is not bound by any of those constraints, you need to find a proxy who can deal with them on their own terms.

Can tell you have probably had NO exposure to young offenders either before or in those years right after their coming of age. Secondly: to a jihadist, death is the reward, not the punishment. So you are saying it was one thing for him to do what he did because he should have feared death, but what he was trained and compelled to do was 100% likely to result in his death and that was obviously NOT a deterrent to his criminal activity. In my interesting times, I have had the tremendous privilege and pleasure of getting to know many Vietnamese refugees who came to Canada three + decades ago. A child raised under war conditions does not mature at the same rate that a molly-coddled suburbanite who's greatest fear is losing his cell phone text privileges for a day. It was common practice for Vietnamese boys EXACTLY at the age of Omar to amputate their own trigger finger to avoid conscription and thus being forced to kill their countrymen. IF Khadr had any moral compass at all, he probably had many opportunities to escape from his situation, but he did not. He instead by all reports enthusiastically went forward to potentially kill his countrymen and fellow citizens.

Yes, you got that right. Problem is: our governments do exactly that: choose which person's "rights" make the best political hay to either support or suppress. You just had to live through the experience of watching Ralph Goodale and our courts lock up a Canadian farmer for the egregious crime of legally selling his own crop to fully appreciate what I mean, and then be told daily that he could walk out of his cell at any time if he would just declare his separation from Farmers For Justice. Goodale and the little Trudeau did this once more by supporting Khadr - except this time they pissed off 71% of the entire country.

You don't think Omar did anything wrong??????? WOW!!!!

BTW: just listening to some bleeding heart Liberal on Global whining that Kadhr claims to be on `team human` or some other nonsense. Really? REALLY!!

I think Rue`s post just before yours hits the nail on the head. Our legal system just was not designed to deal with the issues of terrorism left undefined by the UN and the rest of the world. You would think that with the Zealots setting the benchmark over 2 centuries ago we would have had the time to figure it out.

Since Judaism long predates Christianity, and both are much older than Islam, I do not understand why you would call that religion `stone age`. Under Sharia law, only four wives allowed, and then only if the husband is able to treat each equally. In a country that condones and codifies same sex marriage, even pretending to have the moral ground to enforce judeo-christian ethics regarding polygamy is ridiculous. I DO understand that the BC courts were really trying to address the child sex abuse factor, but they should have done so using legislative basis intended to protect children, not taking away the rights and freedoms of consenting adults.

Hmmm. you mean he was held for about the same length of time many residential school victims were subject to physical and mental abuse while forcibly removed from their homes and family? IMHO, that has already set a precedent of how much award should be - around $25,000 IIRC. Where this whole affair is so far off track, is that anyone with any sense at all can see what the Kadhr family was...and probably IS to this very day. Omar wasn't plucked out of his peaceful, safe home by the government and spirited away to a church, he was taken BY HIS PARENTS into the darkest place on Earth these days. The reason we are having this discussion is that our government let them stay here when they had already become widely known as actively and deeply involved in funding, promoting and prosecuting terrorism. Giving him a pass because he was a dependent minor might have flown with Canadians, but rewarding him for what he did to such a ridiculous extent is so far over the top - it clearly demonstrates just how broken our government and our courts have become. Yes, lest anyone else wants to go there: David Milgaard received $10mm for being wrongfully imprisoned for 23 years - but let's make this one thing very, very clear: Milgaard was completely innocent of any wrongdoing - whereas Kadhr had already been training and preparing to be a terrorist and acting out fully the crimes of same potentially against Canadian citizens (who were in Afganistan of course). If nothing else, Kadhr should be compensating Canada and the USA for removing him from his parents' influence that would likely have resulted in a far worse outcome for him and his victims. Take a look at reality: he is a free man enjoying the benefits of living in the greatest country on Earth. Do you think he would enjoy this status if left to his parents until he was 18?????