Hal 9000

You are certifiable! The deal is very similar to the deal that has been offered all summer, this is a common sense deal, and if the BCTF had any common sense, there would've been no delay to this school year. Fact is; the BCTF caused a lot of hardship to families for a deal that they should've negotiated months ago. No kids won and no families won - The BCTF will get a few more members and the teachers will skate through with their bonuses like nothing ever happened, while families and kids try to catch up a lost 3 weeks.

So, you being a teacher, you must have info on the exact deal - right? Can you please share the info?

I think it's ended just as many of us figured. The teachers will get a little more than the other unions, the money will be laundered into their contract so that the other unions can't come back on the gov't, a few more teachers possibly, but not enough to bring down sizes any significant amount and nothing really for composition - because that's actually a CUPE issue anyway. The gov't will claim they stayed within their budget, the BCTF will claim that they gave in a little too much - but did so for the best interest of our children, teachers will scramble around trying to figure out spring break and seat sales to Mexico or Cuba and Socialist will claim victory.

The BCTF knows that their bargaining power directly correlates with kids being out of school. It's their tactics, no secret here. Kids are their leverage. I've seen this movie a couple times before, the actors are different, but the plot is the same. Many people, myself included threw away september a long time ago. In 2005, we all knew there were issues with the BCTF, but they didn't do a single thing until the beginning of school, then one month in decided to strike.

I think we all knew that the teachers would not negotiate while school was on summer break. Nothing here is surprising.

Good day to you too! See you tomorrow!

"A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed." And this is what you came up with? WoW!

What I've seen here is that parents are beginning to speak out against the BCTF. Typically, you hear from the pro-teacher people first because the anti-union people keep quiet. Once the anti-BCTF people have had enough, it usually starts to swing the other way.

The rally was mostly teachers...and kids. But, this goes to show what I said a few days ago that the tide will soon shift - and today is that day.

Here's one for Socialist; https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-teachers-strike-parents-180805553.html

Whatever you like! I'm referring to the discussion revolving around how teachers will react/respond after all is said and done. The teachers must punish somebody...and you have to know it will be the kids (and the union dissidents). That in itself shows very weak character.

So, you'd rather have a gov't that makes billion dollar decisions on what can (at best) be described as a coin flip.

No, my memory is perfect on this one! Teachers are not required to help out students with their X-mas concerts, we get that. The point is; the teachers used their work to rule privileges to punish elementary students and their parents (and this was 2 months after the strike ended). They can say whatever they want about it "being for the kids", at the end of the day it's a job just like any other job. People like me would have more respect for them if they owned up that fact, but I guess they get more milage from the "it all about the kids rhetoric".

It may seem melodramatic Bob, but y'know, I've pretty much seen first hand all these things happen after the 2005 strike. What sticks out most for me is that after the 2005 dispute the elementary teachers in our district refused to have a christmas concert for the children. One teacher did for her own class, parents helped with setup and we all went and sat through two or three songs from our children. One teacher...one classroom of about 20 in the school. That year, I learned everything I need to know about teachers.

Don't take that from him! He's challenged you, and you obviously made a statement that you can easily back-up - so just let him have it!

Parental support will start to wane big time if this goes into October,

Fundamentally, nothing has changed with the teachers silly little vote. Iker pulled a fast one on some not too bright teachers and an unknowing public - that's all! If 60% of people and 99% of teachers want arbitration because they're so eager to get back to work, why would the gov't flip a coin when they can just legislate them back? That really should make everybody happy - right? Maybe that should be the next poll taken. It's not like anybody has ever expected the teachers to agree on something....or anything....with anybody!

Teachers all want to be considered "victims" of an oppressive regime. Being forced back to work would give them everything that they really want.

At this point, the teachers want to be legislated back to work.

Exactly Tim. I can't believe so many people are this easily manipulated.

Sorry, there are no articles yet...Hence, no link.

Ok, so 99.4% in favour. So, what does it mean?

The guy is guilty as sin - lock him up and throw away the key!

So, what does that mean?

And a great job of it you're doing!