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Thanks but no need... the point was made. Commies win... again

Canada a Communist state? We're getting there by degree/decree. Have you ever seen a government of any stripe 'back-off' once a small majority of brain-dead citizens have accepted any of their policies that don't require any thought ? Communist? Not yet, but the ratchet is clicking away . . . . . . . Brain-dead voters . . . . . bobble-head PM. Embarrassing.

It doesn't matter what Marx opposed or warned. History shows that it lends itself to being overtaken and run by the entirely by the government. Because communism can only be sustained by authoritarianism, because it goes against basic human nature. Marx's solution to this problem was even more extreme - complete elimination and overthrow of the existing bureaucracy by continual revolution. Sure... sounds goof to me. I'll stick to tolerating moderate criminality, while still having a reasonably good life, steak dinner and a bottle of beer in the fridge. Revolution, you say? No thanks...

You make some solid points and I can tell you're speaking in good faith. Sorry for the giant essay, I can't say this briefly. I'm not trying to convince you that "Communism is good" (frankly, I'm not sure if it's even possible) or really anything else in particular, just trying to push back against generations of accumulated misinformation. Finally, I am mostly self-taught, so there will be gaps in my knowledge, but I do not know where they are ? There is a lot of confusion about what is and isn't a Communist government. This is caused by the fact that the two greatest (pre-24-hour-news) propaganda machines in history both referred to the Soviet Union as a "Communist" state (I'm referring here to America and Russia during the Cold War). As a result, many reasonable adults believe that "Communism" is authoritarian, totalitarian, and rules through state-sponsored terror (secret police, political officers, gulags, etc) like the Soviet Union did or like China does. Marx opposed such policies, and explicitly warned about the danger of a small group of intellectuals seizing power "on behalf of the worker" as happened in Russia under Lenin. Agreed that China is not, and never has been, a Communist state. IMO the Soviet Union wasn't either, both are/were brutal, authoritarian, antidemocratic regimes that ruled through state terror. FWIW Noam Chomsky agrees, as a general rule people either consider him nigh-infallible, total BS or they ask 'whodat?' Your mileage may vary. If you decide to check him out I'd recommend searching youtube as his writings can be very dense but his speeches are more accessible. While some states have called themselves "Communist", I don't think there ever has been a Communist state - actual Communism would require democratic control of resources and the means of production. I think Communism is basically a poorly defined utopian vision where people work as they please doing what they please when they please, society is democratic nearly to the point of absurdity, and citizens cooperate in better faith than any real-life citizenry I'm aware of. Frankly, I doubt Communism is possible for humans as we exist now. I don't think Canada is moving towards a more totalitarian state - IMO a totalitarian state would have seen COVID as a great opportunity to "temporarily" remove a bunch of freedoms such as freedom of the press, freedom of movement, freedom of assembly etc, whereas Canada has consistently placed great importance on the rights of the privileged few to infect the responsible many. I'm aware there is a small but noisy minority complaining about not getting haircuts, eating at restaurants or various other inconveniences. Mao killed 4 million people just for having degrees, Stalin executed almost 800k and 1.7 million died in the Gulag*. Kinda hard for me to see any kind of equivalence. Class warfare is happening, but is nearly one-sided in Canada. Every year the super wealthy get richer and the rest of us get poorer. We never use words like "class consciousness," "commodity fetishism" or "solidarity" - indeed, many of us don't even know what some or all of them mean. Unions have been declining for decades (partly self-inflicted due to corruption). Universities face great pressure to platform right wing speakers and, to the best of my knowledge, never platform actual leftists (defined here as people advocating for the abolishment of capitalism). With the sole exception of the CBC, all of our media outlets are owned by billionaires, which gives them a great deal of leverage over which information is available to us, which pictures we see and which claims we find credible. Capitalist-owned media empires are always pushing the narrative that the media (which they own), hollywood, universities and schools are "leftist" in spite of the fact that none of them are advocating for the abolishment of capitalism, and few of them are even advocating for using democracy to bring about more socialistic policies within the bounds of capitalism. The idea that "government is bad and wasteful" has been pushed hard ever since the 70s - when the power of government is reduced, the power vacuum is filled by oligarchs. Class warfare is happening, and if you aren't worth millions, you're on the losing side Canada does not, and never has had, an actual left-wing government anywhere, although we have had many left-of-centre provincial governments. Keep in mind that Liberals (the ideology, not the party) are centrist, and all of Canada's federal governments have fallen under the ideology of Liberal, Conservative or Neoliberal, including the current Liberal government which talks like a Social Democrat but walks like a Neoliberal. Left wingers want to replace capitalism. They include socialists, communists and anarchists, and the farther left you go the more they fragment and waste their time and effort infighting, which is part of why so few people are aware of them. The leftest electable party Canada has is the NDP, which until Mulcair was Social Democrat, which means that they want to work within the bounds of capitalism using democracy to bring in specific socialist policies, such as socialized health care. Contrast that with advocating for class warfare to seize control of the means of production. Right now there is great confusion as to where the NDP and the Liberals are because the NDP betrayed their principles when they ran under Mulcair basically trying to eat the Liberals' lunch and the Liberals then ran on an NDP platform, then welched on the promises they were "just kidding" about. This has blurred their positions on the spectrum in the eyes of many reasonable adults. FWIW Liberals tend to campaign from the left and govern from the right - we can expect JT to *sound* lefter than he actually *acts*, again, your mileage may vary. It's worth pointing out that the "Canadian left" (Social Democrats) are not very happy with JT or the Liberals. In the interest of providing context, here is the (oversimplified) International political spectrum to the best of my knowledge: anarchist->communist->socialist->social democrat->liberal->conservative->neoliberal->fascist here is the Canadian political spectrum: social democrat->liberal->conservative->neoliberal and the American political spectrum: liberal->conservative->neoliberal->fascist *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

We have to be able to distinguish the essence from a tag, label. What is a liberal government, for example? Is it a transparent, responsible, effective and efficient management by the citizens of their common wealth and affairs? Or is it strictly "liberal" government, with a liberal tag attached? No one has promised us that the two will be the same forever and no matter what (the government does and we as citizens, do not).

Sheer poppycock, my friend. I know a poster who was banned within 30 seconds of joining.

This isn't a court of law, so I see no need to itemize every point as if they were mission statements. We all know what's going on here. Not talking about facebook, but in a very specific example of the incidents that occurred here in the past. It's a fascinating parody of the communication problem that exists in general, and expose of the character of people on "left and right". Say hi to folks at the other forum, the private, Candian one.

1. What are 'you people' ? Do you mean conservatives like me, who value institutions and our cultural traditions ? Or do you mean anybody who dares question Culture Warriors who want to declare everything they don't like 'Communist' ? Is it liberal to believe the dictionary these days ? 2. I don't have any private space. 3. I am part of other forums and online groups like Facebook and presumably you are welcome there. DM me your credentials and I will friend you, send an invite etc. 4. You really need to read this, but not as I read it. You need to personalize it. Take it in: https://www.amazon.ca/Paranoid-Style-American-Politics/dp/0307388441

Well yes, isn't it obvious, even without much learned degrees and extensive expertise? But who's thinking and who cares if it's so easy to checkmark and go!

Ottawa?

We see that every time you people descend on these forums. I understand you also have a private space where I and others are not welcome, presumably from which you plot your coordinated attacks...

Isn't it rich that someone posted that liberal governments are adept at sowing division, in a thread that equates them to Communists?

Actually the question of Communism or Marxism is not a black and white question. It is a grey issue with many aspects of Communism existing in various countries around the world. Even China are not Communist in the strict definition you quoted. People are not paid according to their abilities and needs in these countries and they have introduced government-controlled capitalism in order to advance economically and be competitive in the world. But they still retain a brutal one-party totalitarian dictatorship with little or no human rights. That is one aspect of Communism that they embrace. The question I ask is Canada becoming or moving in that direction. I think there is evidence the answer is yes, but not in the sense of the strict definition you quoted. More in the sense of increasing government control, increasing globalist association with totalitarian and corrupt dictatorships, and increasing intrusion into everyone's life under the ideology that big brother knows what is best for you and you don't need all the freedoms you think you are entitled to. As for class warfare, liberal and left wing governments are skilled in creating division with their constant propaganda about alleged systemic racism, and harping about discrimination against minorities, and inequality they must conquer. They love to portray themselves as the saviours of the underdog or minorities purely for partisan political purposes.

What better credentials to run a country into the ground? Canadians are so politically lazy and stupid. Nice hair! Yeah!

Well, I shouldn't be the one to get your hopes up, but along with the 22 $Trillion debt bubble Joe is riding and will have to hope interest rates flatline on for the coming years, there is the other problem of Democrat members of the House (including the 'Squad'), is that the self-proclaimed "progressives" have accomplished absolutely nothing on the issues that led a multitude of poor and lower middle class people to fund their grassroots campaigns to get into Congress. A warning bell for the Democrat 'progressives' should be seen in the collapse in donations for the friendly media who have played such a big part in elevating their political campaigns, because most of them like Democracy Now, the TYT network and Majority Report have gotten into the game that the fake left - Jacobin, Intercept and others began with - taking big donor funding that comes with strings attached. And obviously the most important strings are never criticize Democrat leaders who are close friends with the liberal billionaire class! So, AOC & co. may have figured out how to score big campaign donations, but their supporters were expecting them to fight for a $15 minimum wage, Medicare-For-All and an end to state university tuitions. Add in the centrist Dems who don't have much to say besides repeating Trump bad as often as possible and trying to pull up more shards of evidence of some kind of Russian connection that almost certainly now was all fabricated by the Clinton team which extended to allies in the FBI and other government departments. If the Dems can't muster much more than this and the economy tanks once the debt monster becomes recognized by creditors, they will have no way of keeping either the House or the Senate! Like so many other times in history, Washington will turn back to divided government and Republicans coming back into the House as a majority will have their knives out...especially for corrupt, stupid clowns like Hunter! Who left a trail of evidence on a laptop computer he stupidly left at a random computer repair shop when he was on a bender. Once again, US politics may turn interesting again as the next soap opera takes off after the mid-terms!

Hillary and Bill Clinton will never go to jail. Joe Bidumb will never go to jail. Obamarama will never go to jail. All have committed crimes of some sort. Trump would have won the 2020 election if it were not for the perfect voting fraud machine system that the democrats had set up before the election. Joe Bidumb even said those words himself that I mentioned above. Don't believe me? Go look it up on the internet, if you dare. I wonder as to what the odds were, for or against, Ali joining or not joining the military?

A big concern should be how many people living in those 'densely populated residences' spend a lot of time together socializing in common areas. This was a big problem at first in the seniors buildings, and locally, we have our largest Covid-19 outbreak at a highrise tower that was one of the last of the public housing projects constructed about 30 years ago: 91 cases at Rebecca Towers COVID-19 outbreak

The difference here is that some real and true conservative people have this thing called honesty, integrity and class and those conservatives are not about to go out there and sell their souls to big pharma by buying shares and are willing to add to committing harm towards others. Many doctors have taken that do not harm oath but many do not practice that do not harm oath. Many doctors already know that many vaccines do not work. Many doctors will administer vaccines because there is money to be made from them. Not all doctors are honest and have class and integrity. Anyone can go on the internet and find that out. Of course there are some members here who thinks that everything on the internet is just full of conspiracy websites. Such imbeciles indeed. So, there are real and true Conservatives out there who do care about people, and then there are many so called liberal like conservatives who are no better than your average leftist liberal out there. They do not care as to how they make their money, just make it by either hook or by crook. it's always about the money, don't you know. Thank you, but this real and true conservative will not invest his money in things that will do or cause harm to other people. That is just me.

Yes, really. I really did know about that just as i said I did. Did you really not notice that I said it? Or did you really not believe it. In either case you're really incorrect. Immediately comparing Sweden only to specific Nordic countries is what mask and lockdown apologists always say when confronted with the fact that while the greater mass of mask mandates and lockdowns were happening in Europe at large but not in Sweden there was no real difference in the effect the Chi-Comm flu had on either group. Some had a large difference in either direction but when you averaged it out it was about the same. In any case, I'm confused. Are you pushing for more lockdowns and mask mandates or against them. Because if you're pushing for them explain to me why they don't seem to work. Why does the Chi-Comm continue to spread even with them?