Syria moving checmical weapons

[GostHacked]

Awesome. So now we can talk about Syria's WMD program. Good tie in with 1988 and the Kurds getting gassed (but no mention of the many Kurds dying at the hands of Turkey's cross border operations).

Thin you've seen this before? You are right. Billary doing her best attack dog stance trying to convince the rest of the world that she is correct.

Andrew Tabler
"It's not like Iraq where you had to guess at it, We know where they are."

Yeah they 'knew' last time as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBmULVZVUv0&feature=related

Ohhh largest stockpiles in the world. Hmmm .....


'Fool me once ......'

[Signals.Cpl]

There is a difference though, no one will act now, the US will not be interested in intervening and thus we will se one way or another if they use the weapons.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Charles Anthony
removed entire Opening Post quoted in reply

[DogOnPorch]

There is a difference though, no one will act now, the US will not be interested in intervening and thus we will se one way or another if they use the weapons.

I believe GH doubts Syria has chemical/bio weapons.

[Signals.Cpl]

I believe GH doubts Syria has chemical/bio weapons.

I realize that, at the same time I realize that he is trying to make a comparison between Iraq 2003 and Syria 2012 where non exists.The US might be informing the world it sees chemical/bio weapons being moved and prapeared for use but it does not signify that they intent to do something about it.

[DogOnPorch]

I realize that, at the same time I realize that he is trying to make a comparison between Iraq 2003 and Syria 2012 where non exists.The US might be informing the world it sees chemical/bio weapons being moved and prapeared for use but it does not signify that they intent to do something about it.

Assad would be insane to use his nerve or mustard gas. The real worry is it falling into the 'wrong hands'...yes, they're all wrong hands. But, you know what I mean.

[bleeding heart]

Assad would be insane to use his nerve or mustard gas. The real worry is it falling into the 'wrong hands'...yes, they're all wrong hands. But, you know what I mean.

Absolutely.

There's "terrorizing" with the weapons ("Hey, suckers, you know we got 'em, and you know we'll use 'em if we have to")--

That is to say, normal and typical Statecraft.

And then there's "TERRORIZING" with the weapons ("Close your eyes, suckers, here they come!")--which is objectively worse.

[DogOnPorch]

Absolutely.

There's "terrorizing" with the weapons ("Hey, suckers, you know we got 'em, and you know we'll use 'em if we have to")--

That is to say, normal and typical Statecraft.

And then there's "TERRORIZING" with the weapons ("Close your eyes, suckers, here they come!")--which is objectively worse.

Yes. Syria is thought to be one of the few countries having VX which is the deadliest nerve agent on the planet. An area denial weapon like mustard 'gas' with numerous unique properties which make clean-up nearly impossible. The amount needed to kill (painfully) is in the microgram range. Britain traded it to the USA for the H-Bomb. The US/Britain have since destroyed their stockpiles. Russia...we're not sure.

[Guest Derek L]

Geez…..I thought everyone already knew that Saddam’s WMDs ended up in Syria………I highly doubt Assad would use chemical weapons on his own population………..To add, the tin hatters have got it all wrong, the United States/the West won’t intervene if it looks like Assad’s stockpiles could be compromised, but fearing said weapons could be obtained by Hamas/Hezbollah/PLO etc, I’ve no doubt the IDF would play the part of the Adjustment Bureau to Syrian WMD programs for a second time.

[DogOnPorch]

Geez…..I thought everyone already knew that Saddam’s WMDs ended up in Syria………I highly doubt Assad would use chemical weapons on his own population………..To add, the tin hatters have got it all wrong, the United States/the West won’t intervene if it looks like Assad’s stockpiles could be compromised, but fearing said weapons could be obtained by Hamas/Hezbollah/PLO etc, I’ve no doubt the IDF would play the part of the Adjustment Bureau to Syrian WMD programs for a second time.

I believe most of the Israel = Bad crowd around here has stated that no WMDs or their precursors ended up moving from Iraq to Syria. That GH doubts Syria's own chemical weapons program...a "known" as Rumsfeld would say...pretty much tells you what you need to know about that.

[GostHacked]

Geez…..I thought everyone already knew that Saddam’s WMDs ended up in Syria………I

It's a good scapegoat since there were no WMDs found in Iraq. Also Syria has been in the sites for some time. So to say that the weapons went to Iraq provides a nice easy context to start the drums of an invasion by NATO into Syria.

highly doubt Assad would use chemical weapons on his own population……….

Even if they did have it, I agree on this.

To add, the tin hatters have got it all wrong, the United States/the West won’t intervene if it looks like Assad’s stockpiles could be compromised,

No, they won't get invaded because Syria has a couple really big friends supporting it. Which would mean a larger war at play here. NATO cannot get into this one without taking a few hits on the chin as well.

but fearing said weapons could be obtained by Hamas/Hezbollah/PLO etc, I’ve no doubt the IDF would play the part of the Adjustment Bureau to Syrian WMD programs for a second time.

An attack by Israel would also be quite the bad move. The attack on the Syrian plant is an act of war when you take the technical look at it.

Edited July 15, 2012 by GostHacked

[Guest Derek L]

It's a good scapegoat since there were no WMDs found in Iraq. Also Syria has been in the sites for some time. So to say that the weapons went to Iraq provides a nice easy context to start the drums of an invasion by NATO into Syria.

Of course there were no WMDs found in Iraq, they were sent to Syria before the war

No, they won't get invaded because Syria has a couple really big friends supporting it. Which would mean a larger war at play here. NATO cannot get into this one without taking a few hits on the chin as well.

Libya also had real big friends………..

An attack by Israel would also be quite the bad move. The attack on the Syrian plant is an act of war when you take the technical look at it.

And yet, they leveled the joint........And Syria's (and her big friends) response?

[DogOnPorch]

As you can see, GH simply does not accept that Syria has a well known CW program. It's all made up by the CIA or some similar player. But, then GH apparently believes what Alex Jones spouts.

[Signals.Cpl]

It's a good scapegoat since there were no WMDs found in Iraq. Also Syria has been in the sites for some time. So to say that the weapons went to Iraq provides a nice easy context to start the drums of an invasion by NATO into Syria.

Once again, I highly doubt the US is getting ready or even interested in a war/invasion of Syria and to me this is just a way for the US to inform the world and try to get Russia to agree to stronger action by the UN rather than a NATO strike.

No, they won't get invaded because Syria has a couple really big friends supporting it. Which would mean a larger war at play here. NATO cannot get into this one without taking a few hits on the chin as well.

Syria's "really big friends" have interests, and those interests are tied to finances, I doubt that Russia or China will go to war over Syria, they might huff and puff all they want but Syria is worth a war with the west.

An attack by Israel would also be quite the bad move.

I'm pretty sure the Syrian military won't use them against Israel, but one of the organizations who want Israel wiped off the map getting their hands on said weapons will force them to Act.

The attack on the Syrian plant is an act of war when you take the technical look at it.

What is Syria going to do? When push comes to shove Israel and Turkey are the two nations that could and likely would be the once to suffer if Chemical/Biological weapons are used by the Syrian Military or given out to different groups and I think that if NATO does not do anything, Israel and Turkey might have to go out on their own to protect themselves.

[cybercoma]

After Colin Powell's presentation to the UN, does the United States not suffer from Chicken Little syndrome yet?

[DogOnPorch]

So Syria doesn't have a Chemical/Biological weapons program. Whew. Thanks cyber.

[Signals.Cpl]

After Colin Powell's presentation to the UN, does the United States not suffer from Chicken Little syndrome yet?

And what would the world say if Assad uses Chemical/biological weapons against his people? Who would be blamed? I bet the US will get the blame for knowing that he had the weapons and was willing to use said weapons and they didn't do anything to stop/prevent him and the blame will come from the exact same people who cry about the US when they do get involved.

[DogOnPorch]

If one checks the various news feeds, there are reports that this is already a 'go' re: gas attacks on both sides. But, are they the real McCoy?

[cybercoma]

It's a bad idea to get involved in other countries' civil wars. The United States does it to ensure that the winner is friendly to their interests. They don't get involved for moral reasons, ie, because helping the people is the right thing to do. Otherwise, they would have been getting involved in African disputes long ago. Africa has nothing to offer though.

[DogOnPorch]

That's really, really nice.

[Guest Manny]

It's a bad idea to lie to your own people, habitually. Especially if they find out and get wise to the fact. And today, if there's one thing the age of information gives us, it's the ability to find out quickly what happened and expose lies.

The problem right now is, there will be reluctance by many to believe the information coming out of the same mouths that lied to us so much before.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Manny

[Signals.Cpl]

It's a bad idea to lie to your own people, habitually. Especially if they find out and get wise to the fact. And today, if there's one thing the age of information gives us, it's the ability to find out quickly what happened and expose lies.

The problem right now is, there will be reluctance by many to believe the information coming out of the same mouths that lied to us so much before.

Doesn't matter though, either way I can't see the US acting on this unless one of their allies in the region or they themselves are threatened in some way by those.

[Moonlight Graham]

The US government has little credibility on these matters. I'll believe it when I see it. As if anyone can take seriously what the US Secretary of Defense and the Director of the CIA has to say about anyone's chemical weapons/WMD's LOL.

[Guest Manny]

Doesn't matter though, either way I can't see the US acting on this unless one of their allies in the region or they themselves are threatened in some way by those.

Yeah well this is only one thing. When the boy cries wolf he puts his entire village in jeopardy, in event of a real emergency. Thus the liars and manipulators are among the biggest threats to our security.

[Signals.Cpl]

The US government has little credibility on these matters. I'll believe it when I see it. As if anyone can take seriously what the US Secretary of Defense and the Director of the CIA has to say about anyone's chemical weapons/WMD's LOL.

And for you to see the proof, thousands or tens of thousands will have to die. I hope for the sake of the world that the Assad regime is not desperate/stupid enough to actually use those weapons or "donate" them to someone willing to use them.

[Signals.Cpl]

Yeah well this is only one thing. When the boy cries wolf he puts his entire village in jeopardy, in event of a real emergency. Thus the liars and manipulators are among the biggest threats to our security.

Admittedly the US government screwed the pooch on Iraq and the WMD's but this does not and should not define every subsequent situation and event that is in anyway similar to Iraq and the events leading up to the Iraq War mainly because the consequences would mean many people have to die.