buffycat Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 WRT this thread: There is NO excuse for a fully grown male to manhandle a young girl this way. None. What the hell is wrong with people - that they are so f'n brainwashed to throw in these knee jerk explainitories on the part of the police here? Let's see, this dude is a 'cop'. So, presumably he has been trained in take down and restraint techniques? He is apparantly presented with a situation where he needs to 'restrain' someone..(benefit of the doubt here) - yet he certainly uses excessive force and displays no evidence of real training whatsoever. Question do you want this type of goon dealing with you on a late drive home? Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
buffycat Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 I would have TAZED her ass....don't taze me 'bro....LOL! Oh good grief... Quote "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ~ Ghandi
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Help...help...I'm a poor defenseless teenage (child) criminal who only shoplifted clothing, assaulted a police officer, and resisted arrest. And here is the saddest part...I am a GIRL too! HELP! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kuzadd Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) WRT this thread:There is NO excuse for a fully grown male to manhandle a young girl this way. None. What the hell is wrong with people - that they are so f'n brainwashed to throw in these knee jerk explainitories on the part of the police here? Let's see, this dude is a 'cop'. So, presumably he has been trained in take down and restraint techniques? He is apparantly presented with a situation where he needs to 'restrain' someone..(benefit of the doubt here) - yet he certainly uses excessive force and displays no evidence of real training whatsoever. Question do you want this type of goon dealing with you on a late drive home? They will be the ones, crying for their mamas. And complaining they were abused, As long as it's someone else..................it's ok. Edited October 5, 2007 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Let's see, this dude is a 'cop'. So, presumably he has been trained in take down and restraint techniques? He is apparantly presented with a situation where he needs to 'restrain' someone..(benefit of the doubt here) - yet he certainly uses excessive force and displays no evidence of real training whatsoever.Question do you want this type of goon dealing with you on a late drive home? Yes...I've seen far worse in the NHL, and they charge me to see it. Police training = overwhelming force to control the perp and avoid losing control of the scene. next case...... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 (edited) Yes...I've seen far worse in the NHL, and they charge me to see it. Police training = overwhelming force to control the perp and avoid losing control of the scene. next case...... My teenage kid knows to always keep his hands in plain sight, submit to legitimate authority, and keep his yap shut. Edited October 5, 2007 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
moderateamericain Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Yes...I've seen far worse in the NHL, and they charge me to see it. Police training = overwhelming force to control the perp and avoid losing control of the scene. next case...... Cop did that to my daughter he would have one pissed off adult steam down his ass when he got out of work. OUT OF LINE. Cops have all kinds of ROE for this kinda stuff. And punching a 15 year old girl is not one of them, pepper spray YEP, Tazer Yep. Physically punching her Nope. Government should fear its people not the other way around. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 Cop did that to my daughter he would have one pissed off adult steam down his ass when he got out of work. OUT OF LINE. Cops have all kinds of ROE for this kinda stuff. And punching a 15 year old girl is not one of them, pepper spray YEP, Tazer Yep. Physically punching her Nope. Government should fear its people not the other way around. That's what I said...TAZE HER ASS!! Twice! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 We're also getting a very incomplete picture of the event. For all we know this is at the height of Spring Break where the officer would be dealing with drunken teens and young adults in large numbers. She's apparently violating curfew...and that tells me they live in a place that needs one for one reason or another. Why? Etc, etc... Sure...it sucks and he shouldn't have punched her. But what's your solution kuzadd? Get rid of the police? When the RCMP took out a crack house in my old 'hood, they beat, clubbed, kicked, punche, maced everyone foolish enough to get in their face...including some lippy teens. I was clever enough not to get in their way...others not so clever. ------------------------------------------------------------------ The atom bombs are piling up in the factories, the police are prowling through the cities, the lies are streaming from the loudspeakers, but the Earth is still going round the Sun. ---George Orwell Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted October 5, 2007 Report Posted October 5, 2007 The cop was wrong to punch her. I don't believe it's acceptable for police officers to use undue force. But the girl was also wrong. Plain and simple. Obviously she was resisting arrest, and she bit a police officer. Children need to learn right from wrong and act accordingly. This girl should have had respect for the law. If she were my daughter, I'd be very angry that the cop punched her, and I would see that disciplinary actions were followed through, but I would also let her know in no uncertain terms that what she did was wrong. Quote
kuzadd Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) OK, well now that I am over being dismayed at poster responses, inc, an intent to further abuse. This is a child , who was stopped for allegedly being out past curfew. Regardless of what I think of the curfew issue. Why wasn't the child simply brought home to the responsible adult? The officer could have 1) offered to drive her to ensure her safe arrival, then talked to the parents or 2) he could have drove along beside the child to ensure her safe arrival, then talked to the responsible adult. Since she was a minor, it, to my mind was an issue to be brought up to the adults who are responsible for this child. Because I am definitely of the opinion, that parents/legal guardian are the most suitable/desirable authorities for their child, not a police officer. I do not think it is obvious she was resisting arrest, is she even mature enough to think that, "I am going to resist arrest". Was that her intent, or was she simply scared? Either way, she should have been safely brought home, if the issue was, really, what the officer said it was (out past curfew), and the curfew issue discussed with the responsible adults. see that is what makes the most sense to me, cooperation between parental authorities and the police, to ensure the best outcome for the child. But hey, she's apparently a 'whiny brat" who deserves further beatings? Edited October 6, 2007 by kuzadd Quote Insults are the ammunition of the unintelligent - do not use them. It is okay to criticize a policy, decision, action or comment. Such criticism is part of healthy debate. It is not okay to criticize a person's character or directly insult them, regardless of their position or actions. Derogatory terms such as "loser", "idiot", etc are not permitted unless the context clearly implies that it is not serious. Rule of thumb: Play the ball, not the person (i.e. tackle the argument, not the person making it).
ScottSA Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 How do you propose that she be "brought home" when she fought tooth and nail the entire time, just to be cuffed? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Again...you have no clue as to the context of the arrest. For all you know, she just finnished tossing a rock through the local 7-11's window. Or hanging out with gangbangers...or any of hundreds of different things. Ivory tower speculation as to how the police should do their jobs is pure pie-in-the-sky. Much like this video from YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR5RBIBNrmY Lesson learned: Don't lip off police...you getz what you payz fer. --------------------------------------------------- RIOT, n. A popular entertainment given to the military by innocent bystanders. ---Ambrose Bierce Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/octob...rfew_arrest.htmI don't care what site this is posted on! This is the Florida State police, and is likely available elsewhere. What a disgusting police officer. She is a little small child, and this man is an idiot. Unbelievable Police Brutality. Oh and if that was my daughter????? Well I would make sure this guy loses his job, never owns a dam thing, and pays and pays and pays and pays. If you couldn't even tell the difference between a 15 year old from a small child.....I bet you didn't get the whole story straight either. Quote
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 I did not watch the video, but if she bit the cop when he was arresting her he has to do something. That's not abuse. She attacked first. By that logic cops would have to remain statue-like if a girl came up and spit on him and smeared bird shit in his face. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Cop did that to my daughter he would have one pissed off adult steam down his ass when he got out of work. OUT OF LINE. Cops have all kinds of ROE for this kinda stuff. And punching a 15 year old girl is not one of them, pepper spray YEP, Tazer Yep. Physically punching her Nope. Government should fear its people not the other way around. My brother is a cop. If a juvenile bites him do you want him to say "Thank You, Ma'am". Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) I will not teach my child to be subservient to any authority, that is foolish.Oh daughter that cop is telling you to pull your pants down and bend over, you better do it! The cop told her to pull her pants down? I can tell you one thing, this poor scared 15 year old child could not have been so scared if she were resisting an arrest. Doesn't make sense to me. I think most brave, courageous adults would respect authority rather than try to wrangle with a lawman. So it's my sense that this girl was not so scared, she was pretty brass and bold. Edited October 6, 2007 by jefferiah Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
betsy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 I did not watch the video, but if she bit the cop when he was arresting her he has to do something. That's not abuse. She attacked first. By that logic cops would have to remain statue-like if a girl came up and spit on him and smeared bird shit in his face. I've watched the video and the cop actually showed patience with the girl. He told her "put your hands behind your back" several times, and you could see the girl was being stubborn with her other hand. The cop even warned her, "I don't want to use force on you because you're small, but I will if you don't put your hands behind your back." Even with her arm looking so twisted, you could see she still had the resistance to disobey and ignore the cop's command. Actually, I commend that cop for such patience. He only punched her when she obviously did something to him (and it was not a hard punch), and this was after svereal minutes of telling her....I heard something got knocked down. You know, I feel sorry for most cops who put their lives on the line only to have to deal with whiny people....some of whom simply prejudiced against cops in general. Sure police brutality exists....but let's be honest and not paint everyone with the same brush. This cop was only doing her job. That kid (I don't care whetehr she's female or male) clearly deserved what she got. Quote
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Sieg Heil... Oh puh-lease. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Well I would make sure this guy loses his job, never owns a dam thing, and pays and pays and pays and pays. Yep. Hey Society, gimme gimme gimme gimme. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
betsy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Question do you want this type of goon dealing with you on a late drive home? Question: So you got stopped by a cop on your late drive home. And we'll assume that he is a real cop. If the cop repeatedly asked you, "step out of the vehicle, ma'am"....would you be a stupid enough to refuse to step out and argue repeatedly "but I did nothing wrong, officer...?" Quote
betsy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) I will not teach my child to be subservient to any authority, that is foolish. Yeah, the cop shouts, "Stop or I'll shoot!" And guess who'll be burying a dead child. Anyway, subservient is not the right word. Respect the law. Obey the law. Those are the appropriate terms for this scenario. Edited October 6, 2007 by betsy Quote
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 Question: So you got stopped by a cop on your late drive home. And we'll assume that he is a real cop.If the cop repeatedly asked you, "step out of the vehicle, ma'am"....would you be a stupid enough to refuse to step out and argue repeatedly "but I did nothing wrong, officer...?" And if the hypothetical Buffy reacted this way Betsy and went to the point where she bit an officer, would you describe her as a "scared" little girl? Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
betsy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 (edited) And if the hypothetical Buffy reacted this way Betsy and went to the point where she bit an officer, would you describe her as a "scared" little girl? Rabid. "Scared" would be the last thing I would describe anyone who'd repeatedly defy an officer. That girl was not scared at all....that's not the behaviour of someone who's scared. Defying openly and repeatedly is issuing a challenge....and asking for trouble. Who knows, maybe that poor cop was being set up by this kid hoping to make some cash out of this. Even if she's 15, she could easily be a crack head for all you know. I mean, it's irrational response to openly and repeatedly defy the instructions of an officer. Also, it's scarey to be bit by strangers these days. Biting could be lethal. Edited October 6, 2007 by betsy Quote
jefferiah Posted October 6, 2007 Report Posted October 6, 2007 To me it just seems that Kuzadd's assertion that she is some scared little girl, is refuted by the fact that she resisted arrest and bit him. Scared little children don't bite cops and resist arrest. If you were scared you would be very "Yes Sir." Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
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