Jewish girl attacks Palestian girl: MUST SEE VID!

[Shakeyhands]

It amazes me that MikeDavid hasn't been banned from this forum for his racist views and comments, perhaps now he will be.

[betsy]

It amazes me that MikeDavid hasn't been banned from this forum for his racist views and comments, perhaps now he will be.

I don't think I'd want anyone to be banned for stating their views, even though we deem it racist. Certainly not MikeDavid. He is explaining his views. He is not just making mindless racial slurs.

Besides, when does a comment become "racist?" Who decides what comment is racist?

Anyway, I'd rather hear a racist's point of view and engage him/her in a discussion (as long as it is a discussion)....than banning him/her outright. That wouldn't solve anything.

This is a forum....we should be able to discuss issues even though some views may be repugnant, painful or unbearable. If we feel anyone had crossed the lines, then we can also freely point it out in our discussion, as we are doing now....when some of us are practically castigating MikeDavid.

Edited July 17, 2007 by betsy

[guyser]

Edit: I just wanted to add that these things 'aren't nice' and 'sound harsh' but you know what, I'm just not being nice and 'fair' anymore.

You forgot to add "smart" .

Ideally, yes you must discuss things in order to reach a resolution and move ahead. But you can't discuss things with 2 year olds. You have to wait until they grow up, then you can discuss things.

We will wait for you . Let us know the second you blow the candles out on the birthday cake.

[xul]

I'd like to hear his story of who he is and why he's coming. I'd like to hear the whole story, age, kids, wife. what his plans are.

Alas. I'd like to satisfy your curiosity, partically. I'm ageing, have no confidence to attract any hot girl or cold girl. My wife is a common woman, not a film star.

But my son is a handsome boy and I guess he'd like to show himself to everyone here:

Hi, Uncle! oh, forgive me. I called you as the way of our stone age culture.

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Which kind of sport do your kids like?

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This is my stone aged downtown.

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And this is my small city.

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This is the community, no, the tribe I lived.

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On weekend, I usually spend my time as this stone aged way.

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Sometimes, Dad bring me to museums, a place to store stone aged articles. Dad said, knowledge is the most valuable treasure in the world, and a ignorant man is the poorest man, didn't he right?

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Some one told my dad that there are a lot of hot girls in your beautiful country. I'm looking forward to meet some one. Bye-bye, See you in Canada.

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Edited July 17, 2007 by xul

[M.Dancer]

I'd like to hear his story of who he is and why he's coming. I'd like to hear the whole story, age, kids, wife. what his plans are.

Alas. I'd like to satisfy your curiosity, partically. I'm ageing, have no confidence to attract any hot girl or cold girl. My wife is a common woman, not a film star.

But my son is a handsome boy and I guess he'd like to show himself to everyone here:

Hi, Uncle! oh, forgive me. I called you as the way of our stone age culture.

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I don't think those links work....

[xul]

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I believe he has the right to express the opinion to be against me to immigrate to Canada.

I wish he can understand that the Jewish girl also have the right to express the opinion to be against the Palestinian girl coming into Israel. But if the Palestinian girl into Isael with a Isael government legal admittion, she have no right to push her our of Israel. Only Israel government have the right to dispel the Palestinian girl out of Israel, because Isael government is the representative of Israeli, not her.

[mikedavid00]

I believe he has the right to express the opinion to be against me to immigrate to Canada.

Only Israel government have the right to dispel the Palestinian girl out of Israel, because Isael government is the representative of Israeli, not her.

See guys?

This is the response Xul gives. He really doesn't care what we as Canadians think. He just cares about our policy to let him in and then his family. Why do you think I say what I do towards Xul? I know he doens't care neither does he take it personally. What's amazing is people here on the forum are more upset than Xul. This is the 'CBC' led Canadianism that you guys have. People suggesting I get kicked over having an opinion on our policy.

At the end of the day, Xul proved my point and rubbed it in your face. He got a laugh out of it like I did.

He almost gloats and grins that he's coming here with a 'tough luck' attititude and finds it all a joke. And then people here want me to be nice and welcoming to him.

Maybe the lesson here should be on you guys?

Maybe you should rethink your own position, be open minded, and see how this thread played out, then ask your own self why you decided to hate on my opinion, and feel that the red carpet should be rolled out for Xul. Question why you feel you need to treat him this way. Ask why your emotion ran so strong because I brought up someone who is not in Canada. The feeling was so strong to protect him. Yet other posters easily slander each other on a daily basis with no intervention.

'Canada has lots of hot girls and I want to come'.

Don't you see, the joke is on all of you; me and Xul are the ones lauging actually.

Think about it.

[Bonam]

From my experience immigrants from Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc) tend to be quite productive and integrate quite well into society. Not to make excessive generalizations, but most of them tend to be quite polite and accomodating as well. In general, I have not seen the culture from the above mentioned region to be particularly prone to conflict with Canadian culture. I agree that some other groups of immigrants tend to integrate much more poorly though. However, this is getting kind of off topic.

[xul]

This is the response Xul gives. He really doesn't care what we as Canadians think. He just cares about our policy to let him in and then his family.

Canada government is the legal representative of whole Canadian, not only yourself. I respect Canada government's policy because it is the will of the most Canadian's will, not yourself will. You should understand your will do not equal whole Canadian's will. Just as that Jewish girl's action doesn't equal whole Jewish' action.

I also care your opinion. This is why I stay here and discuss with you. Caring your opinion doesn't mean I will obey your opinion. I will only obey your opinion as I wish to go into the yard of your house.

[ScottSA]

Canada government is the legal representative of whole Canadian, not only yourself. I respect Canada government's policy because it is the will of the most Canadian's will, not yourself will. You should understand your will do not equal whole Canadian's will. Just as that Jewish girl's action doesn't equal whole Jewish' action.

One would think that someone from China would be well aware that the will of the government and the will of the people are often at cross purposes. Perhaps less so in Canada, because we vote instead of run over people with tanks, but often enough. You will find within a few years that the will of the Canadian people, if it has not already begun to change, will, and we will become much less welcoming than you seem to think we are now. Mind you, you can always go back to China, while the rest of us are stuck here to sort out this mess.

[M.Dancer]

Canada government is the legal representative of whole Canadian, not only yourself. I respect Canada government's policy because it is the will of the most Canadian's will, not yourself will. You should understand your will do not equal whole Canadian's will. Just as that Jewish girl's action doesn't equal whole Jewish' action.

One would think that someone from China would be well aware that the will of the government and the will of the people are often at cross purposes. Perhaps less so in Canada, because we vote instead of run over people with tanks, but often enough. You will find within a few years that the will of the Canadian people, if it has not already begun to change, will, and we will become much less welcoming than you seem to think we are now. Mind you, you can always go back to China, while the rest of us are stuck here to sort out this mess.

But keep in mind that Scott as been saying this for at least 10 years now and there is no sign that he will be any less wrong about any time soon.

[ScottSA]

Canada government is the legal representative of whole Canadian, not only yourself. I respect Canada government's policy because it is the will of the most Canadian's will, not yourself will. You should understand your will do not equal whole Canadian's will. Just as that Jewish girl's action doesn't equal whole Jewish' action.

One would think that someone from China would be well aware that the will of the government and the will of the people are often at cross purposes. Perhaps less so in Canada, because we vote instead of run over people with tanks, but often enough. You will find within a few years that the will of the Canadian people, if it has not already begun to change, will, and we will become much less welcoming than you seem to think we are now. Mind you, you can always go back to China, while the rest of us are stuck here to sort out this mess.

But keep in mind that Scott as been saying this for at least 10 years now and there is no sign that he will be any less wrong about any time soon.

No, everyone is mixing just fine, ain't they Momo? All those colorful street festivals are humming along with nary a Jaican bullet, Asian streetgang, or fertilizer bomb plot to be seen. Did I start these observations before the Air India downing too? I forget.

[jazzer]

I believe he has the right to express the opinion to be against me to immigrate to Canada.

Only Israel government have the right to dispel the Palestinian girl out of Israel, because Isael government is the representative of Israeli, not her.

See guys?

This is the response Xul gives. He really doesn't care what we as Canadians think. He just cares about our policy to let him in and then his family. Why do you think I say what I do towards Xul? I know he doens't care neither does he take it personally. What's amazing is people here on the forum are more upset than Xul. This is the 'CBC' led Canadianism that you guys have. People suggesting I get kicked over having an opinion on our policy.

At the end of the day, Xul proved my point and rubbed it in your face. He got a laugh out of it like I did.

He almost gloats and grins that he's coming here with a 'tough luck' attititude and finds it all a joke. And then people here want me to be nice and welcoming to him.

Maybe the lesson here should be on you guys?

Maybe you should rethink your own position, be open minded, and see how this thread played out, then ask your own self why you decided to hate on my opinion, and feel that the red carpet should be rolled out for Xul. Question why you feel you need to treat him this way. Ask why your emotion ran so strong because I brought up someone who is not in Canada. The feeling was so strong to protect him. Yet other posters easily slander each other on a daily basis with no intervention.

'Canada has lots of hot girls and I want to come'.

Don't you see, the joke is on all of you; me and Xul are the ones lauging actually.

Think about it.

Xul is the bigger man here. Still doesn't make your comments appropriate in the least.

[jefferiah]

Well, Scott and Mike, you are right in saying that the will of the Gov is not always the will of the people. But that does not mean that the will of Scott and Mike are the will of the people. So ignoring your will is not necessarily a display of some attitude of entitlement.

Why do you keep insisting that people expect you to roll out a red carpet? The only mention of welcome was by Jazzer, who did not even mean it in such a way as to say you are s'posed to welcome him. He said "nice welcome" with sarcasm.

As for other posters slandering each other, this is where it gets very interesting. I agree, when most of us are arguing over something we have a tendency to get frustrated and lash out at the person we are arguing with. "Right-wing"this, "Leftist" that. And some much harsher stuff. But it usually is directed at someone you are arguing with. Here we have a thread about an incident in the Middle East....and out of nowhere you bring Xul in.

I do think that sometimes there are people who take too soft a stance on things. I spend half my time on here arguing about things like that, the very same way you do, Mike. Arguing against naivety, but do you really think it is naive if we don't believe Xul is laughing at us. What is this based on? This really does sound paranoid.

[mikedavid00]

Well, Scott and Mike, you are right in saying that the will of the Gov is not always the will of the people. But that does not mean that the will of Scott and Mike are the will of the people. So ignoring your will is not necessarily a display of some attitude of entitlement.

He did more than ignore it, he made a joke of it.

But it usually is directed at someone you are arguing with. Here we have a thread about an incident in the Middle East....and out of nowhere you bring Xul in.

And this happens in many of the other threads. Why don't you admit you have a softspot for Xul and then try to analyze your own psyche and figure out why you are holding that 'preference' or bias towards him. Maybe you'll discover that Canada's politicians and media has programmed you.

but do you really think it is naive if we don't believe Xul is laughing at us. What is this based on? This really does sound paranoid.

It is Naive if you don't think he's laughing at us. He's already laughed at us and maybe you should read this thread again if you can't see it.

If I was to move to France, I wouldn't care about the gov't and its services. I would care about fitting in with French people and that includes dressing like them, speaking like them, and taking on their ways including food and culture. I woulnd't have a screw you attitude and care less what people would think of me coming.

But this is the attitude from the people who are coming here these days. They simply do not care to integrate and Xul will be joining his ethnic enclave like the best of them. And to no benefit will this be to Canada. He knows this, I know this, but the jokes on us.

We desperatly need to overhaul our immigration system so people can no longer simply 'wander in' to Canada unless they are only here to work. This would greatly benefit our lives as Canadians and work shortages would be resolved.

Of course, Xul doesn't want this kind of program. And the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't want this program either. So they both have somehting in common. It's this which is killing our democracy and country.

The jokes on us, and Xul is laughing his way to Canada.

The little girl was protecting her laws and country. She didn't give in.

You've all given in and this thread proves it.

[jefferiah]

Well, Scott and Mike, you are right in saying that the will of the Gov is not always the will of the people. But that does not mean that the will of Scott and Mike are the will of the people. So ignoring your will is not necessarily a display of some attitude of entitlement.

He did more than ignore it, he made a joke of it.

But it usually is directed at someone you are arguing with. Here we have a thread about an incident in the Middle East....and out of nowhere you bring Xul in.

And this happens in many of the other threads. Why don't you admit you have a softspot for Xul and then try to analyze your own psyche and figure out why you are holding that 'preference' or bias towards him. Maybe you'll discover that Canada's politicians and media has programmed you.

but do you really think it is naive if we don't believe Xul is laughing at us. What is this based on? This really does sound paranoid.

It is Naive if you don't think he's laughing at us. He's already laughed at us and maybe you should read this thread again if you can't see it.

If I was to move to France, I wouldn't care about the gov't and its services. I would care about fitting in with French people and that includes dressing like them, speaking like them, and taking on their ways including food and culture. I woulnd't have a screw you attitude and care less what people would think of me coming.

But this is the attitude from the people who are coming here these days. They simply do not care to integrate and Xul will be joining his ethnic enclave like the best of them. And to no benefit will this be to Canada. He knows this, I know this, but the jokes on us.

We desperatly need to overhaul our immigration system so people can no longer simply 'wander in' to Canada unless they are only here to work. This would greatly benefit our lives as Canadians and work shortages would be resolved.

Of course, Xul doesn't want this kind of program. And the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't want this program either. So they both have somehting in common. It's this which is killing our democracy and country.

The jokes on us, and Xul is laughing his way to Canada.

The little girl was protecting her laws and country. She didn't give in.

You've all given in and this thread proves it.

Well the fact that he made a joke out of it, shows he is being pretty good about it, I think. Though I have to admit I missed the joke. Sure, you don't like people coming to Canada and not doing as the Canadians do. But how has Xul done this to your knowledge. He joined the forum a few days ago, you know nothing about him. Do I support people who wish to abuse Canada or try to change our society to suit themselves---of course not. But what has Xul tried to do. He hasn't to my knowledge made any protests about crosses being displayed at the Remembrance Day Ceremony at school. He hasn't asked for a Sharia law. Yes, Mike, there is a point to which I believe that society is sort of inadvertently brainwashed with PC-ness. That doesn't mean it is the case in every instance. This has little to do with being PC. No one is taking you before a human rights tribunal for having broken some hate law.

Now I am not saying the little girl is bad or anything. I am just saying that there is nothing to indicate to me what was really going on at all. If there was a soldier there he could have escorted the offender away, I am sure he knows his job. I am not sitting here on harsh judgement over the girl or anything. I really dont know what happened. Maybe the Palestinian girl instigated something. Who knows? But either way its not some clear cut case of some kind of heroism to me, either.

[jefferiah]

I will explain it another way so you can understand where I am coming from.

You are a fan a free speech and you don't like PC-ness. Neither do I. People calling you out because they thought you were being rude is not full blown censorship, either. You can say what you want, and people can say "Hey Mike, I dont think that's fair". You will not lose your job over this.

Now you accused me of being brainwashed or of having given in. Now I will attempt to reduce this assertion to complete rubbish. Mike, I am not going to lie to you. I can be a very big coward. I have been at many times in my life, and there have often been times where I may have withheld my opinion because I was afraid. I can assure you this is not one of them. Because I honestly don't believe Xul is spending his days laughing and laughing about Canada. I am sure he has more on his mind than laughing at you, either. Therefore to defend Xul is not an act of fear for me. If he had done anything to persuade me he was trying to ruin Canada, and I defended him simply for the fact that he is Chinese...that would be cowering to the PC brainwashing, right? To agree with you in this case and cave into your accusations of being a PC puppet, would be the equivalent of defending a man for no other reason than the fact that he is from another race, because I would be hiding my own opinion for fear of your reprisal.

[betsy]

Well, Scott and Mike, you are right in saying that the will of the Gov is not always the will of the people. But that does not mean that the will of Scott and Mike are the will of the people. So ignoring your will is not necessarily a display of some attitude of entitlement.

He did more than ignore it, he made a joke of it.

It is Naive if you don't think he's laughing at us. He's already laughed at us and maybe you should read this thread again if you can't see it.

If I was to move to France, I wouldn't care about the gov't and its services. I would care about fitting in with French people and that includes dressing like them, speaking like them, and taking on their ways including food and culture. I woulnd't have a screw you attitude and care less what people would think of me coming.

But this is the attitude from the people who are coming here these days. They simply do not care to integrate and Xul will be joining his ethnic enclave like the best of them. And to no benefit will this be to Canada. He knows this, I know this, but the jokes on us.

We desperatly need to overhaul our immigration system so people can no longer simply 'wander in' to Canada unless they are only here to work. This would greatly benefit our lives as Canadians and work shortages would be resolved.

Of course, Xul doesn't want this kind of program. And the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't want this program either. So they both have somehting in common. It's this which is killing our democracy and country.

The jokes on us, and Xul is laughing his way to Canada.

The little girl was protecting her laws and country. She didn't give in.

You've all given in and this thread proves it.

Well I'm at a lost as to how Xul is laughing at us. Can you please cite exactly where that offending thread is?

From his comments below, I think what he's saying only mirrors the values that we, as a democracy stand for, and he conveyed a willingness to adapt to ours by saying "I will only obey your opinion as I wish to go into the yard of your house."

I also care your opinion. This is why I stay here and discuss with you. Caring your opinion doesn't mean I will obey your opinion. I will only obey your opinion as I wish to go into the yard of your house.

I believe he has the right to express the opinion to be against me to immigrate to Canada.

I wish he can understand that the Jewish girl also have the right to express the opinion to be against the Palestinian girl coming into Israel. But if the Palestinian girl into Isael with a Isael government legal admittion, she have no right to push her our of Israel. Only Israel government have the right to dispel the Palestinian girl out of Israel, because Isael government is the representative of Israeli, not her.

Mike, you know how I feel about our immigration and most importantly my stance on multi-culturalism. Just to be clear, I don't want multi-culturalism...I do believe so strongly that it is destroying us! I want a very strict requirements for those who wish to come here. They should be the ones who will adapt to our system, not the other way around.

My beef here is the way Xul is being singled out as an example, based on mere assumptions. You can explain your views without having to poke at one of us in this fashion. All he did was give his views, just like the rest of us.

If Xul made light of your comments....I think it is only a normal reaction when someone finds himself unexpectedly facing this kind of third-degree scrutiny - publicly, before us all on this board.

I want fairness...and I don't think this is being fair to Xul.

[xul]

He did more than ignore it, he made a joke of it.

Who made a joke at you? You may say:"You did, xul!" Are you right?

Let me remove the words like "the stone aged cultural" and rewrite "my son's words" again:

Hi, Uncle! oh, forgive me. I called you as the way of our culture.

Which kind of sport do your kids like?

This is my downtown.

And this is my city.

This is the community I lived.

On weekend, I usually spend my time as this way.

Sometimes, Dad bring me to museums. Dad said, knowledge is the most valuable treasure in the world, and a ignorant man is the poorest man, didn't he right?

Some one told my dad that there are a lot of hot girls in your beautiful country. I'm looking forward to meet some one. Bye-bye, See you in Canada.

You see, there is only one joke left. But the joke is between M.Dancer and I, not at you. I guess he would not care about it.

The whole post has become a explanation of those photos now. These photos were taken by myself and were chosen form thousands of photos of my family's daily live. I guess they can make you to understand that I'm not to come to Canada for taking your country's advantage of welfare.

You may say:"It was really the words stone age here."

I agree. But who used to use the words "stone age" to others?

So, I just cited your words in my post to "self-hate" myself. It is your words to make a joke at youself.

You said I laughted at Canadian, I don't agree, and most people here don't agree. Bur if you say you feel to be hurt by the joke, I agree.

But why did you feel being hurt? Literally, I debased myself, my family, my homeland, my culture, not yours. Those is caused you and I are humanbeing. We are more the same rather than the different. If you had fogotten this by deeply believing in your superiority , those photos remindered you back to the reality. So when I am hurted, you will be hurted also. This is how my post worked on you.

Edit:My English is really poor to express such complex idea. I don't know whether I have expressed my idea correctly. I wish you would eventually understand everyone whom seems "against" you is really not against you, they are trying to help you. So I suggest you would relax yourself and get rid of the concern that 800,000 immigrants such as me will come tomorrow some days(I may come in 1.5-3years if Canada government admits my application.). Then review all debates, perhaps you would have some new thoughts.

Edited July 18, 2007 by xul

[jefferiah]

I have no problem with multiculturalism-----the problem is when it becomes a matter of forcing other people's culture on the majority, getting special legal treatment, or having to water down the majority culture because the crosses at Flander Field's offend someone, etc...

So if I were to move to France, Mike, I wouldn't necessarily change anything about myself. I might learn to speak French better (Xul is learning English), and I would probably make the same mistakes in French Xul is now making in English. But I would not make an effort to act like the French. I would not change my views of the world for the French. None of this will cause a problem for the French unless I start telling them how to do things or interfering with their culture.

A Yogi from India moves into the house next door. He likes to sit cross-legged and say ohmm. He likes to eat only vegetables and no meat. I dont really know exactly what he would do. He may be a nice person, he may be a disagreeable person. I dont know. But he is not conforming to general Canadian culture as you see it. Now there is nothing wrong with him maintaining his culture on his own in his own time as long as he is not making ridiculous demands on society that we change ours.

If this Yogi were to start lashing out at western meat eaters, if he started saying Christians are stupid and God should be taken out of the anthem for "my" sake (though many Yogi's are monotheistic), then he would not only be exercising his own culture he would be trying to impose his and demote ours. But a lot of people dont bother to make this distinction. And if you were to tell the Yogi to go home if he doesn't like the way we do things people would be screaming racism at you. Anyways you get the point. When it comes to multiculturalism I understand where you come from in respect to not wanting it. And people can call you a bigot for it, but the reason is because multiculturalism has become something else---instead of allowing the Sikh to be Sikh, we must also allow him to bring a blade to school (ridiculous). It is silly that crosses had to removed from the Rememberance Day display, that is not multicuralism at all though. That is complaining about the existence of the majority culture, right.

So if you go to an Asian country where there are many Buddhists....you dont have to become buddhist. You can be Christian as you like. But if you start demanding that they tear down temples and Buddha's.....

Xul is not demanding anything, or condemning anything in our culture.

[ScottSA]

I have no problem with multiculturalism-----the problem is when it becomes a matter of forcing other people's culture on the majority, getting special legal treatment, or having to water down the majority culture because the crosses at Flander Field's offend someone, etc...

Then you have a problem with multiculturalism. As should everyone.

[mcqueen625]

I didn't watch the video, nor do I want to. This whole thing, (Israeli/Palestinian) is about one not wanting the other to exist, and it is also about whether a country has the right to defend itself from constant attack by terrorist elements, and I contend that Israel is just defending themselves on several terrorist fronts, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, Iran and Syria, and they have every right to defend themselves from attack. When civilians wind up being killed there is a big hue and cry from the peaceniks who blame Israel for those deaths, when in fact the blame should go to the coward radical Islamists. These cowards hide amongst the civilian population and fire rocket propelled grenades, and missiles into Israel targeting the civilians. In the eyes of these cowards there are no innocent Israelis, and therefore every Israeli is a legitimate target.

A prime example of this cowardice was displayed in the Mosque just a few days ago, when the lead Imam tried to sneak of of that mosque dressed up like a woman. Even his own people should have been questioning his motives with this pathetic display of cowardice. When the Pakistani government forces were about to end the standoff, he attempted to sneak out and leave both his followers behind, as well and hundreds of women and children. What a cowardly piece of S--t! Anyone who still follows this piece of human garbage should question their own sanity.

I do not condone violence by anyone, but if attacked, as Israel has been, they have every right to use whatever force is necessary to protect themselves, and to attack wherever their enemy is presently hiding. If the civilian population is so concerned for their safety, maybe they had better start standing up for themselves and throwing the terrorists out of civilian areas and into the open. To do otherwise implies that they condone what the terrorists are doing, including using them as human shields.

[M.Dancer]

A prime example of this cowardice was displayed in the Mosque just a few days ago, when the lead Imam tried to sneak of of that mosque dressed up like a woman. Even his own people should have been questioning his motives with this pathetic display of cowardice. When the Pakistani government forces were about to end the standoff, he attempted to sneak out and leave both his followers behind, as well and hundreds of women and children. What a cowardly piece of S--t! Anyone who still follows this piece of human garbage should question their own sanity.

When I heard that I wondered how it would be received.

Apparently when brave Flora McDonald dressed the Bonnie Prince Charles in woman's clothes to escape from the english, no one though him less manly.....

[Rue]

I support Israel's right to exist, but this video and your support of it is sick. What did the Palestinian girl do to the Israeli girl? Probably nothing, but she deserved to get attacked? Where are your morals?

Hate breeds Hate - End the cycle.

Edit: What is "unplolurar"? lol

It's not even a news worthy story.

It is bull-shit to run such a story without presenting its context. We do not know why the Muslim girl was where she was, why the Jewish girl was upset, and who the woman was who was trying to get between the Muslim and Jewish girl.

We see ultra-orthodox Jews upset, but we do not know why. Ultra-orthodox Jews will stone or get upset at non ultra-orthodox Jews in the identical manner they would that Muslim girl and react the same way.

I think someone video'ed that incident to deliberately take a minor non news-worthy incident out of context to incite hatred and anger and ferment assumptions.

As a strong supporter of Israel, I come on this post many times to debate and challenge what I see are unfair comments about its right to exist. But as a strong supporter of Israel, I do NOT feel condoning ANY kind of intolerance is in the best interest of Israel.

I will nopt judge what happened as I do not have the full context but I will say this-one can as I am be a strong supporter of Israel but detest violence of ANY kind and if I found out the reason for this incident was because of religious teachings that has conditioned this young Jewish girl to hate,then I will criticize it as strongly as I do when I see such things in ANY HUMAN.

Judaism does not teach people it is acceptable to hate. Zionism did not contrary to what today's trendy leftists think, teach Jews to hate Muslims. That is bull.

Extremism, fundamentalism, the kind of religious intolerance bred into people, I do not condone.

I also think quite ironically that if these are the ultra-orthodox Jews they appear to be, then it could very well be they are anti-Zionist and just as anti-Israeli as many would assume that Muslim girl might be.

Many ultra-orthodox do not recognize the State of Israel because they feel the Messiah must return first, before the state can be created.

This is why these ultra-orthodox get upset with non ultra-orthodox Jews just as much as they do Muslims for certain religious reasons, and yet for other reasons, may very well march with anti-Zionists and Palestinians against Israel and in that sense not be the enemy of that girl some think they are. Then again they could be an extreme right wing group of Kahanists who are a small, militant racist sect of Jews who the vast majority of Jews would love to deport en masee back to the U.S. where they have come from. Its hard to say who they were.

So no things are not black and white or what they appear to be and I say this loud and clear, Israel's future like Palestine's future, can not be based on violence and hatred.

Hatred and intolerance is the obstacle all humans face when building peaceful visions and no it does not assist Israel's cause depicting such incidents as a legitimate way to express support of Israel. As Jews we are taught to use our minds and to use logic and reason. Fighting is only to be done in self-defense. One does not serve the cause of Israel or Judaism engaging in intoelrance or hatred all it does is fan people who hate on both sides of the equation.

It is precisely this kind of incident that anti-Israelis and anti-semites use to incite hatred of Jews and Israelis by trying to depict us as angry abusive oppressors. I spit on such stereotypes just as I spit on anyone's attempt to try glorify violence by anyone for any reason.

Edited July 18, 2007 by Rue

[Rue]

A prime example of this cowardice was displayed in the Mosque just a few days ago, when the lead Imam tried to sneak of of that mosque dressed up like a woman. Even his own people should have been questioning his motives with this pathetic display of cowardice. When the Pakistani government forces were about to end the standoff, he attempted to sneak out and leave both his followers behind, as well and hundreds of women and children. What a cowardly piece of S--t! Anyone who still follows this piece of human garbage should question their own sanity.

When I heard that I wondered how it would be received.

Apparently when brave Flora McDonald dressed the Bonnie Prince Charles in woman's clothes to escape from the english, no one though him less manly.....

Are you suggesting Prince Charles was a terrorist who used his religious status to incite terror in his followers?

The point is the coward who escaped in women's clothes used the legitimacy and power that comes from his Muslim religious status to exploit his followers. In Pakistan the vast majority of people are still illiterate or have little if any formal education and so they rely heavily on their mullahs and immams to teach them, guide them, and tell them what to believe.

The Muslim clerics abuse this power to use their religious status to advance agendas that are political and terrorist in nature and go against the teachings of the Koran.

The point is the same Muslim Cleric telling others to die for the cause didn;t die for the cause, he hid like a coward. That was the point.

Prince Charles was a pathetic weak despot fleeing for his life but to suggest he was engaging in the same morally equivalent act is just not true. Prince Charles crime was his birth status, not his telling people to engage in terror.