What must we do to protect our White culture?

[Hollus]

Andrew gets to be the first one on my ignore list. I simply cannot abide the unadulterated pap and hogwash he seems to have picked up in some first year university class in aboriginal studies or some other fairy tale class...

You mean you don't like being flat-out wrong and having your rhetoric dispelled.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Hollus

[White Doors]

The point is not to go back take up every facet of ancient indigeneous life. The point is to understand how they lived and survived off the land for thousands of years so that we can move forward with sanity into a realistic and far more healthy life.

The best way to become more 'sustainable' is by letting capitalism work.

You seem to forget that natives practiced human sacrifice and there are numerous examples of entire 'native' civilizations disappearing virtually overnight due to over consumption - despite your racist claims, they were neither no better and no worse than us as individuals. Their culture however, was much, much less advanced.

You also seem to forget about all the the North American species that they made extinct.. You think the horse wasn't in NA before the Whitey? Well it was, but they killed them all off. Them and several others.

Edited July 11, 2007 by White Doors

[ScottSA]

Andrew gets to be the first one on my ignore list. I simply cannot abide the unadulterated pap and hogwash he seems to have picked up in some first year university class in aboriginal studies or some other fairy tale class...

You mean you don't like being flat-out wrong and having your bullshit dispelled.

No, that's not what I mean.

[Leafless]

Simple question.

What must White Canadians do to protect our White cultural and Christian associated traditions, that have been ravished or undermined by Quebec culture, Aboriginal culture and immigrants and their imposing cultures?

Canadian streets are now full of ethnic foreigners, our hospitals are full of Islamic Muslim doctors and stores full of ethnic help and our English language being attacked by forces of government to impose the French language.

I don't believe that you have as much as lost your culture that you need to protect it - whites have their ideology that they carry about and practice and it is protected.

You have to admit that you are feeling this way because you are simply out numbered hence overwhelm

Culture in a democratic society equates to power and in a democratic country governments are decided by the vote of the majority along with important issues, amendments to the constitution etc. are decided by the will of the people usually by way of referendum.

Canada is NOT a democratic country, outside of the basic right right to vote, democracy does not exist.

What we have in Canada is cultural power distributed by the undemocratic, discriminatory forces of government.

Canadian politicians feel this will prevent social uprisings by minorities but ignore the fact because of the tremendous cost of catering to minority ideologies, Canada suffers in many other areas especially in the area of infrastructure and health care and many other important areas where funds simply do not exist.

But Canadian politicians forget, tick off the majority or the provinces and you are in real trouble.

This is where I think we are headed, either a majority revolt or the breakup of Canada.

[M.Dancer]

Was it last year that they found the remains of a body in Washington state that was dated to 9000 years ago? The discoverers determined that the man was probably Caucasian due to the structure of the skull and it appeared as if he had died from some sort of attack. He was later deemed a Native American (politically correct gesture) much to the dismay and protest of the archaelogists who discovered him. I wonder why white people in Washington State aren't making land claims?

No, the anthropologists determined that the skull resembled a "caucasoid" skull. They could make no inference on his skin complexion. The people he most resembled were the Ainu of northern Japan. The discovery of the skull confirmed for some anthropologists theories about genetic dispersal and what mnay happen in the wonderful random world of genetics and inherited traits when gene pools get isolated from one another. The archaeologists who discovered him were never under any dismay that the subject was aboriginal. They also never inferered he was european or anything other than what he is generally accepted to be.

[ScottSA]

Was it last year that they found the remains of a body in Washington state that was dated to 9000 years ago? The discoverers determined that the man was probably Caucasian due to the structure of the skull and it appeared as if he had died from some sort of attack. He was later deemed a Native American (politically correct gesture) much to the dismay and protest of the archaelogists who discovered him. I wonder why white people in Washington State aren't making land claims?

No, the anthropologists determined that the skull resembled a "caucasoid" skull. They could make no inference on his skin complexion. The people he most resembled were the Ainu of northern Japan. The discovery of the skull confirmed for some anthropologists theories about genetic dispersal and what mnay happen in the wonderful random world of genetics and inherited traits when gene pools get isolated from one another. The archaeologists who discovered him were never under any dismay that the subject was aboriginal. They also never inferered he was european or anything other than what he is generally accepted to be.

Actually, we've had this discussion before, years ago, and I showed you proof then that the issue was a hot potato, and that while the researchers themselves were not particularly concerned about it, the Indians worked themselves into rages about it.

It fits with other theories of cultural dispersal as well, and it's quite possible that visitors other than the Indians showed up in the Americas during prehistory and were either killed or absorbed.

[Moxie]

Great post leafless ( I don't dare hit that quote function again), I concur we aren't a democratic country. An example would be the senate (elite unelected fat cats) forcing Harper to concede to Kyoto or they would veto the budget. A budget agreed upon by our "ELECTED officials, yet a group of elite mobsters can decide Canada's path. Where was the outcry and outrage, yep none. We have become as pityful as any socialist country run by a facist dictator. I agree I think Canada is on the cusp of a Majority revolt, I've had enough of the Feds pandering and appeasing the minority groups. The Politicians stole our country and our culture, I want my country and her culture back.

[White Doors]

Was it last year that they found the remains of a body in Washington state that was dated to 9000 years ago? The discoverers determined that the man was probably Caucasian due to the structure of the skull and it appeared as if he had died from some sort of attack. He was later deemed a Native American (politically correct gesture) much to the dismay and protest of the archaelogists who discovered him. I wonder why white people in Washington State aren't making land claims?

No, the anthropologists determined that the skull resembled a "caucasoid" skull. They could make no inference on his skin complexion. The people he most resembled were the Ainu of northern Japan. The discovery of the skull confirmed for some anthropologists theories about genetic dispersal and what mnay happen in the wonderful random world of genetics and inherited traits when gene pools get isolated from one another. The archaeologists who discovered him were never under any dismay that the subject was aboriginal. They also never inferered he was european or anything other than what he is generally accepted to be.

Actually, we've had this discussion before, years ago, and I showed you proof then that the issue was a hot potato, and that while the researchers themselves were not particularly concerned about it, the Indians worked themselves into rages about it.

It fits with other theories of cultural dispersal as well, and it's quite possible that visitors other than the Indians showed up in the Americas during prehistory and were either killed or absorbed.

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

[ScottSA]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

Yeah, but Momo will argue anyway. He usually starts out by arguing that there's no difference between races, then after milking that one to death, he usually wraps up with a rendition of the finer meanings of racial categories, which of course don't exist except when they support his side

Edited July 11, 2007 by ScottSA

[M.Dancer]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

If there is genetic proof that Europeans other than the Norse were here, it's news to me.

You have an academic source?

[M.Dancer]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

Yeah, but Momo will argue anyway. He usually starts out by arguing that there's no difference between races, then after milking that one to death, he usually wraps up with a rendition of the finer meanings of racial categories, which of course don't exist except when they support his side

Coming from you who argued that the Peloponessian wars were racial.....I find that laughable.

[ScottSA]

Coming from you who argued that the Peloponessian wars were racial.....I find that laughable.

Source?

[M.Dancer]

Coming from you who argued that the Peloponessian wars were racial.....I find that laughable.

Source?

Hardball

[ScottSA]

Coming from you who argued that the Peloponessian wars were racial.....I find that laughable.

Source?

Hardball

During a baseball game?

[M.Dancer]

Coming from you who argued that the Peloponessian wars were racial.....I find that laughable.

Source?

Hardball

During a baseball game?

During a thread which was based on your premise that the history of mankind was a history of racial warfare. One of the examples you dredged up was the peloponnesian wars. I corrected you on that and later you acknowledged I was right.

Mind you, in the same week you claimed Iraqis were Persians.....

[White Doors]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

If there is genetic proof that Europeans other than the Norse were here, it's news to me.

You have an academic source?

http://www.lds-mormon.com/morell_science_m...an_europe.shtml

[M.Dancer]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

If there is genetic proof that Europeans other than the Norse were here, it's news to me.

You have an academic source?

http://www.lds-mormon.com/morell_science_m...an_europe.shtml

The following is a news item, not a peer-reviewed article.....

Sorry, I don't buy that the Mormons, whose faith resides that the lost tribes of Israel once roamed America as credible......

Perhaps an Academic source?

Edited July 11, 2007 by M.Dancer

[M.Dancer]

While I at it.....

The new data, from a genetic marker appropriately called Lineage X, suggest a "definite - if ancient - link between Eurasians and Native Americans,"

"it suggests that there might have been a distribution of people 10,000 or more years ago throughout Asia who looked more European than [Asians] do now

Ummm......paleo- americans are thought to have migrated from asia.....they have traced their genetic path to mongolia......a far cry from your claim of European genes.....

But to summarize this tidbit.....the eurasian ancsestors of the paleo americans might also be the anscestors of Europeans.....which makes sense if they radiated from central asia.

[White Doors]

There is genetic proof that Europeans were here and were 'absorbed' by the 'natives'.

It's in the genetic markers. Hard to argue with that.

If there is genetic proof that Europeans other than the Norse were here, it's news to me.

You have an academic source?

http://www.lds-mormon.com/morell_science_m...an_europe.shtml

The following is a news item, not a peer-reviewed article.....

Sorry, I don't buy that the Mormons, whose faith resides that the lost tribes of Israel once roamed America as credible......

Perhaps an Academic source?

hahaha

true enough. Truthfully I watched a show on PBS about it.

I can't seem to find it now though.

[White Doors]

While I at it.....

The new data, from a genetic marker appropriately called Lineage X, suggest a "definite - if ancient - link between Eurasians and Native Americans,"

"it suggests that there might have been a distribution of people 10,000 or more years ago throughout Asia who looked more European than [Asians] do now

Ummm......paleo- americans are thought to have migrated from asia.....they have traced their genetic path to mongolia......a far cry from your claim of European genes.....

But to summarize this tidbit.....the eurasian ancsestors of the paleo americans might also be the anscestors of Europeans.....which makes sense if they radiated from central asia.

Not the same claim. The theory I am putting forth is that Europeans came over during the last ice age by boating along the edge of the ice and 'mixed' in with the natives.

[M.Dancer]

Not the same claim. The theory I am putting forth is that Europeans came over during the last ice age by boating along the edge of the ice and 'mixed' in with the natives.

I guess the only way that would be proved (or disproved ) is through a genetic marker.....

But as it stands now there are real hurdles for that theory. It predisposes an existance of technology and ability where there is no evidence of its existence, namely very long distance maritime travel over inhospitable open seas.

Even the voyages of the paleo-aboriginals who populated Australia were able to hop from island to island travelling distances of only a 150 kilometers or so......the academic fringe theories of Europeans migrating that are current have either a northern route or a mediteranian launching point. In either case given that boat building 20,000 years ago was pretty much hollowed logs or possible coracles, travelling the icey north atlantic for months, with prepared stores for the journey would have been quite a feat. Not to metntion that it would have meant a initial two way return scouting trip to let the colonists actaully know there was a new world out there.........while the southern route would have added months to the trip. Their biggest challenge might not have been preserving and storing the food needed for the months long journey....but storing the 1000s of litres of fresh water........

[White Doors]

goign along the edge of te ice woudl solve all of those issues.

[Rue]

Argus

You said;

"Leafless simply posted in a simplistic, reflexive manner without putting a lot of thought into things. "

Well yes Argus that is precisely what hate is-a simplistic reflex without much if any thought.

"Comparing him to Hitler".

I do not know Leafless as a person. No. I do not know him. But I do find what he said in his posts exactly the platform Hitler advocated. I don't think that is a stretch to say at all. Calling him Hitler personally-no. Calling what he says no different then what Hitler advocated is the point and having relatives who died in the holocaust and a refugee family on my mother's side, no I did not find it offensive for someone to say that. In fact I was relieved it was someone other then me and I am glad they said it.

I also respectfully disagree that what he says is not rooted in racism. It is necessarily hateful to suggest people who do not think like him or look like him are not patriotic or loyal to Canada. That is racist. It is hateful and spiteful and deliberate not accidental. When you accuse someone of not being patriotic because they don't have pale skin or aren't his version of Christian that is racist b.s. and no my father didn't fight in the Air Force and Army to have people like Leafless question his loyalty to Canada or mine.

So no Argus this is not a discussion on all of us working to be loyal to Canada and sharing the same vision.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Rue

[Rue]

"I guess the only way that would be proved (or disproved ) is through a genetic marker....."

Well from what I understand know you can't even do that, genetic markers are not conclusive

and in fact can be misleading.

Edited July 11, 2007 by Rue

[White Doors]

I guess the only way that would be proved (or disproved ) is through a genetic marker.....

Well from what I understand know you can't even do that, it is still not conclusive.

They did find a genetic marker that they suspect is in all NA natives that came from France about 10,000 - 13,000 years ago.

No shit.