What must we do to protect our White culture?

[Leafless]

Simple question.

What must White Canadians do to protect our White cultural and Christian associated traditions, that have been ravished or undermined by Quebec culture, Aboriginal culture and immigrants and their imposing cultures?

Canadian streets are now full of ethnic foreigners, our hospitals are full of Islamic Muslim doctors and stores full of ethnic help and our English language being attacked by forces of government to impose the French language.

[Liam]

Simple question.

What must White Canadians do to protect our White cultural and Christian associated traditions, that have been ravished or undermined by Quebec culture, Aboriginal culture and immigrants and their imposing cultures?

Canadian streets are now full of ethnic foreigners, our hospitals are full of Islamic Muslim doctors and stores full of ethnic help and our English language being attacked by forces of government to impose the French language.

By including "French", you're railing against what you see as attackers of Anglo culture, not white culture. Big difference.

[margrace]

Simple question.

What must White Canadians do to protect our White cultural and Christian associated traditions, that have been ravished or undermined by Quebec culture, Aboriginal culture and immigrants and their imposing cultures?

Canadian streets are now full of ethnic foreigners, our hospitals are full of Islamic Muslim doctors and stores full of ethnic help and our English language being attacked by forces of government to impose the French language.

If you are of English descent then you did little to protect my Irish and Scottish Cultures. The wearing of the green and tartans where banned by the English, Remember that.

[Leafless]

By including "French", you're railing against what you see as attackers of Anglo culture, not white culture. Big difference.

By definition majority White Canadian culture normally includes the exclusive use of the English language.

It should be remembered it is not the White English Canadian but the French that demands recognition as a 'distinct society', which is extremely troublesome to say the least and is now emulated by Aboriginals and ethnic immigrants in varying degrees to establish the same type cultural superiority as the French has achieved against the White English culture with the help of government intervention.

[ScottSA]

I think it would help from a definitional perspective to take the "white" out and transplant "Anglo-Saxon." It would also help avoid the tiresome PC attacks that will no doubt ensue momentarly.

[jdobbin]

I think it would help from a definitional perspective to take the "white" out and transplant "Anglo-Saxon." It would also help avoid the tiresome PC attacks that will no doubt ensue momentarly.

Why eliminate "white" to replace it with Anglo-Saxon? C'mon, let's call a spade a spade.

[Leafless]

If you are of English descent then you did little to protect my Irish and Scottish Cultures. The wearing of the green and tartans where banned by the English, Remember that.

This is where cultural discussions get silly.

In Canada basically English is in reference only to the English language. But of course this does not diminish the fact pertaining to our proud English history, with the Queen still being Canada's head of state.

In Canada you can wear whatever you want to wear and celebrate your culture privately or in a more public manner. I believe this is the area government that has thrown all common sense out the window where Canada has now become a mass of cultures responsible to no one but their own cultural idealisms.

A country is not a country without a united sense of loyalties and patriotism towards the country itself.

[Leafless]

I think it would help from a definitional perspective to take the "white" out and transplant "Anglo-Saxon." It would also help avoid the tiresome PC attacks that will no doubt ensue momentarly.

Why eliminate "white" to replace it with Anglo-Saxon? C'mon, let's call a spade a spade.

You make it sound like being White is bad.

Would the same type of logic pertaining to colour identification not be the same in non-White countries around the world?

Would the common race of any country not have preferential superiority in history and traditions over any other minority race? Let's call a spade a spade.

[kimmy]

I think it would help from a definitional perspective to take the "white" out and transplant "Anglo-Saxon." It would also help avoid the tiresome PC attacks that will no doubt ensue momentarly.

Why eliminate "white" to replace it with Anglo-Saxon? C'mon, let's call a spade a spade.

Well, "white" lacks precision, as has been pointed out a number of times already. Quebec's "pur laine" are surely a pasty and pale lot, and the original poster is clearly as annoyed at them as he is at the rest.

However, I'm a little concerned by the description "Anglo Saxon".

I'm of Norman and Slavic descent... am I still welcome here?

-k

[Bonam]

The real threat to any "white culture" is the rapid change of demographic, not just in Canada, but throughout the world in general. The amount of white people in the world is dwindling, due to sub-replacement birth-rates, while populations of almost all other races are growing rapidly. As things are going right now, in another 50 years, white people will make up less than 10% of the world's population. The only thing governments can do (besides the implementation of racist policies, which most of us probably agree they shouldn't do) is to encourage higher birth rates, to attempt to keep reproduction of the existing population, rather than immigration, as the primary source of population growth. This can be done through the implementation of high financial incentives for having kids, improved daycare programs available freely to the public, increased allotment of time for maternity/paternity leave, etc.

As for Quebec, I don't really see that as a threat to either white culture or Christian associated tradition, as Quebec is just as white and more Christian than most other Canadian provinces.

[noahbody]

Might be good to bring clarity to Freedom of Religion. Canada has always has placed restrictions on some "white" religions. Mormons are only allowed one wife in Canada. Considering Sharia Law and allowing Kirpan in schools is dangerous. A line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm all for welcoming people, just not any beliefs that are uncivilized.

[Riverwind]

The amount of white people in the world is dwindling, due to sub-replacement birth-rates, while populations of almost all other races are growing rapidly.

It think the bigger problem is the way race is defined. A child with one white and one black parent is called 'black' (e.g. Barak Obama). Any race defined by recessive genes will dissappear in a multi-ethnic society no matter what the birth rates are.

In fact, the example of Barak Obama illustrates how silly it is to define culture on the basis of race. Obama was raised by his white mother in a largely white environment. Culturally speaking the guy is 'white'. Yet I suspect Leafless and his ilk would reject Obama as white because of his skin colour and facial features.

To make matters worse - many Hispanics are Christians and 'white' yet I suspect would not meet 'Leafless standard for whiteness' because they speak Spanish. Yet non-English speaking Germans and Swedes would meet that criteria.

The more I think about the more I think the entire concept is absurd.

[Xman]

Which brings us to the real issue: genetics. Genetically, there is no such thing as race. In fact, following the line of genetics, all groups have an ancestoral link back to Africa. We are from the same family. If you are "Christian" (or Judaic or Muslim for that matter), then you believe in the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. I think the real question is: What is at the core of our concerns? Why are we living in fear? What truly makes us anxious? Are we feeling inadequate somehow? And why?

If there really is a war against "Whites", it's inevitably lost. We are multiplying less as stated above. We carry recessive genes. We are not superior. It's time to end the myth. In studies of intelligence, we fall behind the Asians. In regard to athleticism, we fall behind the Africans. That makes us mediocre at best. It's a painful reality; an inconvenient truth, one might say. That's if you believe there really are races; genetically theory shows not.

[jdobbin]

You make it sound like being White is bad.

Would the same type of logic pertaining to colour identification not be the same in non-White countries around the world?

Would the common race of any country not have preferential superiority in history and traditions over any other minority race? Let's call a spade a spade.

Don't think I said anything was bad about any skin colour? Are you saying certain skin colours are bad?

[jdobbin]

I'm of Norman and Slavic descent... am I still welcome here?

Don't think so. That sounds sort of Frenchy with a mix of culture where they have no vowels.

[Argus]

I think it would help from a definitional perspective to take the "white" out and transplant "Anglo-Saxon." It would also help avoid the tiresome PC attacks that will no doubt ensue momentarly.

Why eliminate "white" to replace it with Anglo-Saxon? C'mon, let's call a spade a spade.

Well, "white" lacks precision, as has been pointed out a number of times already. Quebec's "pur laine" are surely a pasty and pale lot, and the original poster is clearly as annoyed at them as he is at the rest.

However, I'm a little concerned by the description "Anglo Saxon".

I'm of Norman and Slavic descent... am I still welcome here?

-k

I think the real danger, the real worry, the real fear, is not the disappearance of Caucasians, it's that what we commonly term "Western" cultural values and ideals will become submerged in a vast sea of foreigners due to our low birth rates, their high birth rates, and immigration. Western culture is easily the most enlightened and advanced in the history of the world. Most of the cultures of other nations - and yes, they tend to not be White nations - are comparatively primitive, crude and even barbaric by our standards. I've seen opinion pieces which say demographics show the strong possibility of a Muslim majority in the Netherlands by 2040-2050. What will the cultural standards be in that nation? They surely won't be as they are now. Will they be at all in tune with what we consider Western values or will they more closely resemble the retrograde cultural practices of the Muslim world? So far I would suggest the new Netherlands will be more like Syria than Denmark. I don't think any of us consider this a good thing. This is especially so given that democracy is virtually unknown in the Muslim world, and that scientific and social advances there are virtually nil. What will happen to the Christian minority? Will they be treated with the respect they treated Muslims? Highly unlikely.

[ScottSA]

In studies of intelligence, we fall behind the Asians. In regard to athleticism, we fall behind the Africans. That makes us mediocre at best. It's a painful reality; an inconvenient truth, one might say.

It's this type of self hate that will doom Caucasians.

[Bonam]

Any race defined by recessive genes will dissappear in a multi-ethnic society no matter what the birth rates are.

That depends on what the initial population mix of the multi-ethnic society is and what kind of evolutionary selection factors exist within the society. Humans didn't start out white, and yet in some regions of the world, that skin pigmentation became dominant.

Genetically, there is no such thing as race.

If you are "Christian" (or Judaic or Muslim for that matter), then you believe in the Genesis story of Adam and Eve.

You can't really be trying to argue genetics as a point of support in one sentence and religion as a point of support in the next. From the point of view of science (genetics, evolution, etc) the belief that all humans originated from just one human male and female is highly unlikely.

Also, I am unsure what you mean by the statement that genetically, there is no such thing as a race. Are you saying that there is absolutely no genetic difference between a black person and a white person? Considering that it is genes that control skin pigmentation, I find that unlikely. Also, you are further contradicting yourself in saying that there is no such thing as a race, genetically, and then comparing the genetics of different races (stating that white people have recessive genes, etc).

What is at the core of our concerns? Why are we living in fear? What truly makes us anxious?

The fear is that as western (originally white) societies become saturated with other races and cultures, the culture of the overall societies will change, perhaps to resemble current western culture less and asian, middle-eastern, african, or whatever other type of culture more. This isn't so much to do with genetics or races, but more with culture. However, recent history has rich support for the idea that race and culture are intertwined to some degree.

If there really is a war against "Whites", it's inevitably lost. We are multiplying less as stated above. We carry recessive genes. We are not superior.

Superiority is neither being asserted, nor is it required. A culture or race need not be superior to want to remain distinct.

[ScottSA]

However, I'm a little concerned by the description "Anglo Saxon".

I'm of Norman and Slavic descent... am I still welcome here?

-k

Smart blondes are welcome anywhere. I should have said caucasian.

[Leafless]

The real threat to any "white culture" is the rapid change of demographic, not just in Canada, but throughout the world in general. The amount of white people in the world is dwindling, due to sub-replacement birth-rates, while populations of almost all other races are growing rapidly.

So what does this really mean in reality?

Has the advanced 'White race' priced itself out of the baby business and in turn is globalizing its work force by eliminating the costly process of raising White children to the age of productive adults by importing an adult ethnic work force.

If this is factual it literally means the sell out of the White race in countries currently White and nobody is crying foul or are to afraid to or totally fail to recognize what is going on.

As things are going right now, in another 50 years, white people will make up less than 10% of the world's population.

What does this have to do with Canada and its compulsive desire by many Canadians to retain its history, culture, traditions and majority English language?

As for Quebec, I don't really see that as a threat to either white culture or Christian associated tradition, as Quebec is just as white and more Christian than most other Canadian provinces.

Quebec no longer places importance on the Catholic religion but instead focuses on its own nationalistic socialistic type politics, for its own benefit, forcing over the years the rest of Canada to subsidize its culture especially relating to language, which does make it a direct threat to Canadians and the common culture of all Canadians.

[Leafless]

In fact, the example of Barak Obama illustrates how silly it is to define culture on the basis of race. Obama was raised by his white mother in a largely white environment. Culturally speaking the guy is 'white'. Yet I suspect Leafless and his ilk would reject Obama as white because of his skin colour and facial features.

This is not the focus of discussion.

No one would deny Canada relating to its origin as a country is a majority White country with its associated history and this is where the problem lies.

Current government is allowing the cultural whitewashing of established White culture, traditions, history by Quebec, Aboriginals and ethnic immigrants with a total disregard for primarily White Canadians and their history and traditions who have built the country.

To make matters worse - many Hispanics are Christians and 'white' yet I suspect would not meet 'Leafless standard for whiteness' because they speak Spanish. Yet non-English speaking Germans and Swedes would meet that criteria.

This has got nothing to do with Black vs. White.

But judging from experiencing Germans and Swedes would fall in line with the primary culture and traditions of White Canadians far easier than those from third world countries who it seems are highly addicted to the culture of their country of origin.

[kimmy]

I think the real danger, the real worry, the real fear, is not the disappearance of Caucasians, it's that what we commonly term "Western" cultural values and ideals will become submerged in a vast sea of foreigners due to our low birth rates, their high birth rates, and immigration. Western culture is easily the most enlightened and advanced in the history of the world. Most of the cultures of other nations - and yes, they tend to not be White nations - are comparatively primitive, crude and even barbaric by our standards. I've seen opinion pieces which say demographics show the strong possibility of a Muslim majority in the Netherlands by 2040-2050. What will the cultural standards be in that nation? They surely won't be as they are now. Will they be at all in tune with what we consider Western values or will they more closely resemble the retrograde cultural practices of the Muslim world? So far I would suggest the new Netherlands will be more like Syria than Denmark. I don't think any of us consider this a good thing. This is especially so given that democracy is virtually unknown in the Muslim world, and that scientific and social advances there are virtually nil. What will happen to the Christian minority? Will they be treated with the respect they treated Muslims? Highly unlikely.

As usual, you're able to take the hysteria of people like Leafless and MikeDavid00 and distill it into reasonably stated and reasonable concerns. And I don't disagree with any of this.

I certainly worry that a lot of the people we allow into Canada have no intention of embracing our values at all.

And I worry what will happen when dimwits and knuckleheads exist in Canada in sufficient numbers to make their values felt in policy.

And I don't really know whether there's a solution to what I see as a potential problem.

As for Quebec, I don't really see that as a threat to either white culture or Christian associated tradition, as Quebec is just as white and more Christian than most other Canadian provinces.

I don't really see Quebec culture as a threat to anything except Quebec's continued prosperity.

-k

[Rue]

Simple question.

What must White Canadians do to protect our White cultural and Christian associated traditions, that have been ravished or undermined by Quebec culture, Aboriginal culture and immigrants and their imposing cultures?

Canadian streets are now full of ethnic foreigners, our hospitals are full of Islamic Muslim doctors and stores full of ethnic help and our English language being attacked by forces of government to impose the French language.

And what is your definition for the term "White Canadian"?

Sounds to me like in your definition you don't just want them to be white, i.e., caucasian, but Christian and from the sounds of it a non Catholic Christian.

So are you a member of the Klu Klux Klan or Aryan Brotherhood? You use all their buzz words. Come right out and say it. What white group are you a member of or think you should join. Why beat around the bush any further?

[Leafless]

You make it sound like being White is bad.

Would the same type of logic pertaining to colour identification not be the same in non-White countries around the world?

Would the common race of any country not have preferential superiority in history and traditions over any other minority race? Let's call a spade a spade.

Don't think I said anything was bad about any skin colour? Are you saying certain skin colours are bad?

I was replying to what you said in reply to ScottSA post #6: "Why eliminate "white" to replace it with Anglo-Saxon? C'mon, let's call a spade a spade."

It seems to suggest that "White" has a higher level of contempt that certain anti-White races feel more comfortable with (for reasons of displaying hate and aggressive behavior towards the White race) than using Anglo-Saxon.

Otherwise, why would you even bother to reply when you know very well that primarily was Scott,s point to remove the emphasis off of 'White'.

[Rue]

In fact, the example of Barak Obama illustrates how silly it is to define culture on the basis of race. Obama was raised by his white mother in a largely white environment. Culturally speaking the guy is 'white'. Yet I suspect Leafless and his ilk would reject Obama as white because of his skin colour and facial features.

This is not the focus of discussion."

It absolutely is Leafless. You Sir are too much of a coward to admit it. You prefer instead to pretend you are engaged in intellectual thought. What it all comes down to Leafless is your subjective opinion as to who you find acceptable and who you don't. That is all this discussion is.

"White" is what Leafless? Well it has to depend on how you define it, and you definition is all about exclusion not inclusion.

You can deny it all you want Leafless but your discussion is nothing more then "us against them".

If find this entire line of posts by you pathetic. If at your age you are this insecure as to who you are that you need to project your insecurity outward and suggest we all need to buy into your feelings of being threatened forget it.

"White"? From where I sit you sound yellow and no I do not mean you are Asian.