new american empire death throws

[bush_cheney2004]

....I'm thinking it'll be a real relief to become isolated and irrelevant, though, because once we are, I'm sure we'll no longer be hated and/or the target of terrorist attacks. So how soon can we relax as a nation? Inquiring minds want to know.

Shucks, we are doomed to become another failed empire like....ummm....Great Britain and her minions. Still, 'tis better to have been a superpower and lost than never to have been one at all. We are doomed to the post hegemon's life of a France, Spain, Japan, Germany, or Great Britain...the people suffer so....LOL!

[ScottSA]

....I'm thinking it'll be a real relief to become isolated and irrelevant, though, because once we are, I'm sure we'll no longer be hated and/or the target of terrorist attacks. So how soon can we relax as a nation? Inquiring minds want to know.

Shucks, we are doomed to become another failed empire like....ummm....Great Britain and her minions. Still, 'tis better to have been a superpower and lost than never to have been one at all. We are doomed to the post hegemon's life of a France, Spain, Japan, Germany, or Great Britain...the people suffer so....LOL!

You may have to wait a bit to suffer the Fate of {{{{{{{{Post-Hegemonic Doooom.}}}}}}}} I don't see any ten countries able to band together and come within 20 miles of your economic and military might yet. China? Hah...its a third world communist state more likely to have a military takeover than to become a first world state.

[Drea]

The world does not want to attack and kill Americans silly!

You are soo war war military might! OOooOoO

Do you think for one second that the USA can just march into any country and take what it wants? Does trade and economics play no part whatsoever?

Do you think if the big bad military USA were to nuke a country that they would be lauded? Do you think that when they attack Iran that the world will cheer wildly?

It is not all about who has the bigger penis Scottsa.

Edited July 23, 2007 by Drea

[bush_cheney2004]

You may have to wait a bit to suffer the Fate of {{{{{{{{Post-Hegemonic Doooom.}}}}}}}} I don't see any ten countries able to band together and come within 20 miles of your economic and military might yet. China? Hah...its a third world communist state more likely to have a military takeover than to become a first world state.

Oh no....China is poised to become the greatest and most powerful nation on earth...soon...real soon....did I mention that it would be soon?.

Never mind the lung choking pollution, heavy metal water, or peasants spitting in the street. It is paradise on earth compared to the wicked and evil USA. LOL!

Wanna buy some cheap copies of American software or DVDs?

[kuzadd]

But clearly, and obviously you did not read what I said. I said America will soon SOON,I did not say is, I said soon find itself isolated and irrelevant, sooner then your apparent tunnel vision will ever allow you to realize. actually by time you realize , the irrelevance will be complete.

As has already been pointed out, there was no "soon" in your statement. I quoted you. I'll quote you again:

"America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean."

Perhaps my "tunnel vision" is missing the word "soon," but I'm guessing it's not there.

But please let me know how soon this isolation and irrelevance will be taking place since you obviously have information that I'm lacking; and please don't take offense, but I'd appreciate some evidence to support your claim. Evidence that can be sourced with links.

I'm thinking it'll be a real relief to become isolated and irrelevant, though, because once we are, I'm sure we'll no longer be hated and/or the target of terrorist attacks. So how soon can we relax as a nation? Inquiring minds want to know.

here in it's entirety, is what I said, it should be obvious to anyone who can read, I am referring to the future

Look at the US trumping up the 'war on terror", to use as a guise to justify there relevancy, it is pathetic.(present time)

The disruption that the US is continuing to cause in the ME, is showing up in the form of increased resentment and hostility throughout Europe.(present time)

Europe will get sick of this nonsense. Europe will work out it's issues with the Arab world. Thereby solving US interference. in the future, as it is not the case in the present

Russia will happily supply Europe with oil and natural gas. as is already somewhat the case

China is very quickly becoming the biggest economy in the world, thanks in no small part to US capitalist class.(already in 3rd place) ongoing

never mind India!ongoing

therefore, I'll put it in though IMO, it was inferred quite clearly

America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean.

If I needed to make it clearer, the fault is mine for not clarifying it, and also for assuming people can follow, based on the order of the statements, and general knowledge.

America's isolation and irrelevance is already on the rise. Take a look around, read some news outside of American press.

as recent as July 2007

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/70046760-27f0-11dc...0b5df10621.html

Europeans see US as threat to peace

By Daniel Dombey and Stanley Pignal in London

Published: July 1 2007 18:09 | Last updated: July 1 2007 18:09

Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday.

People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrlevance and isolation

going back to 2003

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/1031-Poll.html

Poll: Israel and US Biggest Threats to World Peace

now how much longer do you think the world is going to put up with the strife emanating from the US??

Also I provided you with an interesting interview and a couple of books if you are so inclined to read, give 'em a go.

Therefore do not postulate, you were not provided with links, or reasoning to back up an opinion.

[kuzadd]

You may have to wait a bit to suffer the Fate of {{{{{{{{Post-Hegemonic Doooom.}}}}}}}} I don't see any ten countries able to band together and come within 20 miles of your economic and military might yet. China? Hah...its a third world communist state more likely to have a military takeover than to become a first world state.

Oh no....China is poised to become the greatest and most powerful nation on earth...soon...real soon....did I mention that it would be soon?.

Never mind the lung choking pollution, heavy metal water, or peasants spitting in the street. It is paradise on earth compared to the wicked and evil USA. LOL!

Wanna buy some cheap copies of American software or DVDs?

how about some very inexpensive automobiles?

Soon to hit the US market, possibly as early as next year.

and for UNDER $10,000 dollars, some article I read, as low as $7,000

http://www.cleveland.com/autonews/plaindea...2820.xml&coll=2

Chrysler to bring Chinese cars to U.S. showrooms

Thursday, July 05, 2007

Sholnn Freeman

Washington Post

Chery Automobile, a feisty newcomer to global carmaking, is on the verge of becoming the first Chinese company to crack the U.S. auto market.

On Tuesday, DaimlerChrysler said it finalized a deal with Chery and the Chinese government to export small cars made by Chery to the United States and Western Europe. The deal, a broad framework for strategic cooperation, was signed Wednesday at a ceremony in Beijing. Chery cars will be sold under the Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge brand and are expected to go on sale in the next few years.

Chery - essentially a state- owned enterprise with strong backing from local and central government - was created in 1997 to help the economy of Wuhu, a city about 150 miles west of Shanghai. The company is viewed as a rebel in the Chinese auto industry. Chery constructed its first assembly line in secret, violating Chinese law.

Its biggest competitive advantage is that it excels at manufacturing small, fuel-efficient vehicles at low cost.

Chery sold a little more than 300,000 cars last year - roughly the output of one large U.S. assembly plant. But like other Chinese automakers, Chery has long dreamed of a presence in the United States, the world's largest and most lucrative car market.

At the same time, the Chinese government has aggressively supported the expansion of its automakers. Its goal is for Chinese cars to make up 10 percent of the world's auto trade in the next decade.

Chery's efforts to break into the United States have proven troublesome. Two years ago, it announced it had teamed with Malcolm Bricklin, a veteran auto entrepreneur, to sell 250,000 cars here by this year. That deal fell apart.

Chery's move to break into the U.S. market follows the successful efforts of a number of Japanese and South Korean automakers over the past three decades. After years of exporting cars for sale in the United States, those pioneers built auto plants throughout the country. From that base, their U.S. sales expanded sharply.

[kuzadd]

The world does not want to attack and kill Americans silly!

You are soo war war military might! OOooOoO

Do you think for one second that the USA can just march into any country and take what it wants? Does trade and economics play no part whatsoever?

Do you think if the big bad military USA were to nuke a country that they would be lauded? Do you think that when they attack Iran that the world will cheer wildly?

It is not all about who has the bigger penis Scottsa.

God almighty, I notice a sex obsession amongst posters, must be all that religion, making them oppress there sexuality as human beings, military might as penis size, talk about "strokin the ego" wowee!

and Betsy reference to my spouses' "balls"

I guess that self enforced repression for their religion has to come out somehow??

[bush_cheney2004]

how about some very inexpensive automobiles?

Soon to hit the US market, possibly as early as next year.

and for UNDER $10,000 dollars, some article I read, as low as $7,000

Great...China will manage to do what Henry Ford did almost 100 years ago. I wonder how that moon landing program is going after having almost 40 years to figure out how the Americans did it.

[kuzadd]

how about some very inexpensive automobiles?

Soon to hit the US market, possibly as early as next year.

and for UNDER $10,000 dollars, some article I read, as low as $7,000

Great...China will manage to do what Henry Ford did almost 100 years ago. I wonder how that moon landing program is going after having almost 40 years to figure out how the Americans did it.

Henry Ford didn't decimate the American Auto workers, or the industry

He employed them and grew the industry in the US.

But then what some more unemployment and loss of good paying jobs, eh?

[Guest American Woman]

here in it's entirety, is what I said, it should be obvious to anyone who can read, I am referring to the future

Look at the US trumping up the 'war on terror", to use as a guise to justify there relevancy, it is pathetic.(present time)

The disruption that the US is continuing to cause in the ME, is showing up in the form of increased resentment and hostility throughout Europe.(present time)

Europe will get sick of this nonsense. Europe will work out it's issues with the Arab world. Thereby solving US interference. in the future, as it is not the case in the present

Russia will happily supply Europe with oil and natural gas. as is already somewhat the case

China is very quickly becoming the biggest economy in the world, thanks in no small part to US capitalist class.(already in 3rd place) ongoing

never mind India!ongoing

therefore, I'll put it in though IMO, it was inferred quite clearly

America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean.

If I needed to make it clearer, the fault is mine for not clarifying it, and also for assuming people can follow, based on the order of the statements, and general knowledge.

America's isolation and irrelevance is already on the rise. Take a look around, read some news outside of American press.

as recent as July 2007

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/70046760-27f0-11dc...0b5df10621.html

Europeans see US as threat to peace

By Daniel Dombey and Stanley Pignal in London

Published: July 1 2007 18:09 | Last updated: July 1 2007 18:09

Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday.

People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrlevance and isolation

going back to 2003

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/1031-Poll.html

Poll: Israel and US Biggest Threats to World Peace

now how much longer do you think the world is going to put up with the strife emanating from the US??

Also I provided you with an interesting interview and a couple of books if you are so inclined to read, give 'em a go.

Therefore do not postulate, you were not provided with links, or reasoning to back up an opinion.

Yes, the fault is yours for not making it clearer. I'm not in the habit of reading into posts things that aren't there; and if I were to start, I'm sure I'd be faulted for it.

I see you didn't answer my question, though. Just how soon is this irrelevance going to take place? Because to me this statement:

"Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

...is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant. Btw, I wonder how England fits into the picture? Seems to me they've been there right along with us through all this.

[kuzadd]

Yes, the fault is yours for not making it clearer. I'm not in the habit of reading into posts things that aren't there; and if I were to start, I'm sure I'd be faulted for it.

I see you didn't answer my question, though. Just how soon is this irrelevance going to take place? Because to me this statement:

"Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

...is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant. Btw, I wonder how England fits into the picture? Seems to me they've been there right along with us through all this.

look at the answer I already posted above, it's right there.

I guess, you are not in the habit of reading posts, never mind reading into them?

""Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

.

..is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant."

actually it's not inconsistent, when someone or something or some country is a big pain, or a danger, what happens to that country, that nuisance. Nobody likes or wants a nuisance around, stirring the pot.

So again the rest of the world will rid itself, of the nuisance, and the US, is helping it along, by making as big of a nuisance of itself as possible.

THEREFORE:

"People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrelevance and isolation"

Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars.

This will not go on forever.

It will not hurt other countries near as much as it will hurt America.

Eventually the ball will drop.

When? IMO? It's already on!

Take a look outside your country, look at the war in iraq , the war in Afghanistan, the rise of Russia, Venezuela flippin' your country "the bird". So to speak.

Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

editted to add:

In the lead up to the iraq war, no matter how much bribery and spying the US did on UN countries, the US couldn't get approval for the attack.

Your country was recently again getting the reject , wrt Kosovo.

Oil is being traded in denominations other then American.

All kinds of stuff going on , on the globe.

Edited July 23, 2007 by kuzadd

[bush_cheney2004]

....Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

Well, if any country would know what irrelevance feels like, it would certainly be Canada. Irrelevance experts at your service. PM Harper is trying to change that, eh?

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, the fault is yours for not making it clearer. I'm not in the habit of reading into posts things that aren't there; and if I were to start, I'm sure I'd be faulted for it.

I see you didn't answer my question, though. Just how soon is this irrelevance going to take place? Because to me this statement:

"Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

...is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant. Btw, I wonder how England fits into the picture? Seems to me they've been there right along with us through all this.

look at the answer I already posted above, it's right there.

I guess, you are not in the habit of reading posts, never mind reading into them?

""Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

Ummmm. Yeah, I did read your post. I don't see anything in your quote that shows how England, who backed us in our wars, fits into the equation. In other words, why would little irrelevant us pose more of a danger than relevant England when England was behind us 100%?

And I feel I must point out that the last time I checked, Europe consisted of a few more countries besides Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and the UK. Gotta love the UK criticizing us, though, when they were right there along side us in Afghanistan and Iraq. Like I said, the pot calling the kettle black.

[Guest American Woman]

""Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

.

..is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant."

actually it's not inconsistent, when someone or something or some country is a big pain, or a danger, what happens to that country, that nuisance. Nobody likes or wants a nuisance around, stirring the pot.

So again the rest of the world will rid itself, of the nuisance, and the US, is helping it along, by making as big of a nuisance of itself as possible.

THEREFORE:

"People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrelevance and isolation"

Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars.

This will not go on forever.

It will not hurt other countries near as much as it will hurt America.

Eventually the ball will drop.

When? IMO? It's already on!

Take a look outside your country, look at the war in iraq , the war in Afghanistan, the rise of Russia, Venezuela flippin' your country "the bird". So to speak.

Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

First you say we are irrelevant. Or so it would seem. But then you say you didn't say we are irrelevant yet, but will be soon. Then when I ask when that will be, you say it's going on now; that the "irrelevance is present" now.

I give up. I guess we must be irrelevant and I just can't tell the difference from when we were relevant.

Here's the thing. I couldn't care less if we're relevant or not, but evidently you care a great deal. Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are, for example. Well, not really all that hard.

Edited July 24, 2007 by American Woman

[bush_cheney2004]

I give up. I guess we must be irrelevant and I just can't tell the difference from when we were relevant.

Here's the thing. I couldn't care less if we're relevant or not, but evidently you care a great deal. Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are, for example. Well, not really all that hard.

It is certainly a conundrum....why would someone expend so much energy pontificating on the domestic and international issues of such an irrelevant country? Here we are, on a dedicated MLW forum named "US Politics".

So where is the forum for "Chinese Politics", or "Russian Federation Politics", or "Peruvian Politics"? Why is the entire "rest of the world" relegated to a single forum aptly named "The Rest of the World"?

[kuzadd]

""Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday."

.

..is completely inconsistant with us becoming irrelevant. Hard to figure how the "biggest threat to world stability" could be viewed as irrelevant."

actually it's not inconsistent, when someone or something or some country is a big pain, or a danger, what happens to that country, that nuisance. Nobody likes or wants a nuisance around, stirring the pot.

So again the rest of the world will rid itself, of the nuisance, and the US, is helping it along, by making as big of a nuisance of itself as possible.

THEREFORE:

"People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrelevance and isolation"

Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars.

This will not go on forever.

It will not hurt other countries near as much as it will hurt America.

Eventually the ball will drop.

When? IMO? It's already on!

Take a look outside your country, look at the war in iraq , the war in Afghanistan, the rise of Russia, Venezuela flippin' your country "the bird". So to speak.

Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

First you say we are irrelevant. Or so it would seem. But then you say you didn't say we are irrelevant yet, but will be soon. Then when I ask when that will be, you say it's going on now; that the "irrelevance is present" now.

I give up. I guess we must be irrelevant and I just can't tell the difference from when we were relevant.

Here's the thing. I couldn't care less if we're relevant or not, but evidently you care a great deal. Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are, for example. Well, not really all that hard.

I gotta say, a beautiful manipulative job, in the post!

Bravo!

Do you ASSUME I care a great deal, YUP!

This is a discussion forum, I expressed a point of view based on readings, information and observation.

You make a number of assumptions in order to demonize me for an opinion.

It isn't about what I care about, it is how things are, and how things are changing.

"Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are "

why do you assume I would be?

You stated you don't "read into people's posts" yet here you are doing exactly that, all so you can twist things around and try to demonize me for expressing an opinion.

The simple fact is as the US becomes more irrelevant and China becomes more relevant, wether on it's own or in alliance with other countries, life goes on!

[kuzadd]

....Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

Well, if any country would know what irrelevance feels like, it would certainly be Canada. Irrelevance experts at your service. PM Harper is trying to change that, eh?

actually I would say Harper is making Canada an even more irrelevant country then it is!

BTW, BC, the topic is the American Empire death throes, can you manage to stay on topic?

I did.

I know it's difficult to do, what with your tendency to run off topic regularily, but, try, ok?

Edited July 24, 2007 by kuzadd

[bush_cheney2004]

actually I would say Harper is making Canada an even more irrelevant country then it is!

BTW, BC, the topic is the American Empire death throes, can you manage to stay on topic?

I did.

I know it's difficult to do, what with your tendency to run off topic regularily, but, try, ok?

No, it's not OK. The topic is actually "new american empire death throws (sic)". The Old American Empire is just fine.

Who died and left you Queen?

Tell us again about the "irrelevant" United States that you can't get enough of in your rambling posts. LOL!

Edited July 24, 2007 by bush_cheney2004

[kuzadd]

actually I would say Harper is making Canada an even more irrelevant country then it is!

BTW, BC, the topic is the American Empire death throes, can you manage to stay on topic?

I did.

I know it's difficult to do, what with your tendency to run off topic regularily, but, try, ok?

No, it's not OK. The topic is actually "new american empire death throws (sic)". The Old American Empire is just fine.

Who died and left you Queen?

Tell us again about the "irrelevant" United States that you can't get enough of in your rambling posts. LOL!

ouch, touched a nerve, I guess.

[White Doors]

The USA is so irrelevant in fact, kuzzadd feels it is in her esteemed duty to make a career of telling us how irrelevent it is.

haha

Edited July 24, 2007 by White Doors

[betsy]

The USA is so irrelevant in fact, kuzzadd feels it is in her esteemed duty to make a career of telling us how irrelevent it is.

haha

That's a good one!

I could only assume that either Kuzadd feels threatened by the USA,

or so intrigued by the USA,

or so angry with the USA...

one thing definite though judging by her numerous posts....

Kuzadd is consumed by the USA.

And add the numerous other posts about the USA...whether good or bad....practically any topic that touched on war or economy or politics or foreign aids etc.. almost, always, involved the mention of the US of A!

I wouldn't call that as the result of being irrelevant. Au contraire....

Edited July 24, 2007 by betsy

[betsy]

Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing!

As demonstrated by current events, by us on this board and most especially by you, , irrelevancy is simply not on the table, Kuzadd.

The USA is a major player!

You may call the USA of anything....EXCEPT being irrelevant.

Edited July 24, 2007 by betsy

[kuzadd]

Betsey and whitedoors, flattering me. Well what can I say , all press is good press!

But you do both talk so much about me, and OMG, this thread isn't about me.

Golly Gee willikers!

Amazing, do either of you want an autograph?

Cause obviously both of you are obsessed with me.

kuzadd, this and kuzadd that.

oh the adulation

xoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxo darlins'

Edited July 24, 2007 by kuzadd

[Drea]

C'mon whitedoors, Betsy, Scottsa, American Woman... instead of insulting the poster why not give us your take on the issue.

Has America's reputation worldwide suffered in the past 7 years?

Just answer the question.

[kuzadd]

Interesting article in the Financial Times

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e3dd78ec-3872-11dc...00779e2340.html

Traders ask how low can the dollar go

By Michael Mackenzie in New York

Published: July 22 2007 17:54 | Last updated: July 22 2007 17:54

How long before the dollar hits $1.40 to the euro? That is the question many analysts are asking after a week when the US currency struck a new low of $1.3843 to the euro and fresh multiyear lows against a range of currencies, including sterling.

The US currency has fallen 4.5 per cent against the euro this year and 4 per cent against sterling, hitting a new 26-year nadir against the pound last week. The trade-weighted dollar index dropped to its lowest since 1992.

The dollar exchange rate is important because the US relies on hefty foreign purchases of securities and other assets to fund its current account deficit.

“At some point, the fall in the dollar will translate into foreign investors no longer buying US assets and selling their existing holdings,” said William Strazzullo, chief market strategist at BellCurve Trading.

this is the ,"lifestyle gift", the world extends the US, I was referring to in this statement.

"Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars.

This will not go on forever."

Official silence on the dollar’s woes also extends to Hank Paulson, US Treasury secretary. “You get the sense the administration wants a weaker dollar,” said Mr Strazzullo.

A US economy growing more slowly than global rivals and interest rates rising outside the US while domestic rates remain on hold explain much of the dollar’s weakness. The greenback is also suffering anxiety over US credit and mortgage markets.

how dare the financial times put that in print, eh?