Canada's First Chinese Canadian Political Party

[scribblet]

Does anyone find this a bit disturbing, aren't we all supposed to be Canadians, so do we need a race based political party. Imagine the horror if this were an an Anglo saxon party only.

http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/200...st-chinese.html

CIV - A group of immigrants from China have recently set up Canada's first political party composed mainly by Chinese Canadians.

The National Alliance Party (NAP) was established in Vancouver, with a mission of "creating better living and working conditions for immigrants, and raising the profile of all Chinese living overseas," according to the party's mission statement posted on its website www.nationalliance.com.

Party leader Weiping Chen (陳衛平, picture) said the idea of creating a Chinese immigrants' party was that of his and four other PRC immigrants.

"We are all first generation immigrants who face many similar problems settling in Canada," Chen told Ming Pao. "These problems are faced not only by the Chinese, but also immigrants from India, Korea and so on."

Although there have been some Chinese Canadian politicians serving at different levels of governments, their voice is usually too small and they often have to stick with party lines, Chen said. cont...

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[gc1765]

Your link doesn't work.

[Remiel]

Perhaps rather odd, but arguably the Bloc Quebecois is a similarly exclusive party, insofar as the strongest supporters of its agenda are those sixty families types.

[Canuck E Stan]

I think the first thing these guys have to do is change the name of their party.

The National Alliance Party, which claims to be the first Chinese Canadian political party, ends up not too sure about its identity - at least during its infant stage.

It just might get confused with another party with the same name....

The National Alliance Party

.....but maybe that would be a good thing.

[Topaz]

I, for one, would like to see the Bloc gone from Ottawa. Talk about fairness in this country. Quebec is getting to be the "spoiled child" of this Canadian family! They have the Bloc, the Cons and NDP and the Libs all representating them and I can't see ANY reason why they should be there.

[geoffrey]

Perhaps rather odd, but arguably the Bloc Quebecois is a similarly exclusive party, insofar as the strongest supporters of its agenda are those sixty families types.

Like I've said a bazillion times, inclusion of individuals on actions and situation is not 'racist' or immorally discriminatory. The Bloc Quebecois is one of the most inclusionist parites on sex and race in Canada, easily. Having a party for people living in Quebec is not an issue.

Having a party for those of Chinese descent is a major issue. If these people ever become a voice, I'm going to try to join their party and see what happens. If I get rejected on my 'white-ness', maybe I'll finally get off my ass and do something political like a nice ol' court challenge.

[gc1765]

Having a party for those of Chinese descent is a major issue. If these people ever become a voice, I'm going to try to join their party and see what happens. If I get rejected on my 'white-ness', maybe I'll finally get off my ass and do something political like a nice ol' court challenge.

Should a political party be treated the same way as a business? I'm just curious, because you have said that businesses should be able to choose who they do business with and be allowed to discriminate based on race. Shouldn't that also mean that a political party has the right to choose who is allowed to join their party?

[scribblet]

Let the tribalism begin !! Is it possible they could get enough votes to win a seat?

[gc1765]

"But he later said the NAP wasn't a Chinese Canadian party and he intended to recruit immigrants from all ethnic groups. "However, first we have to do a good job to show people that they should join us."

When asked how the party could attract non-Chinese members if its website was all in Chinese, Chen said the English version was in the making."

Imagine the horror if this were an an Anglo saxon party only.

How is this a Chinese-only party?

[geoffrey]

Should a political party be treated the same way as a business? I'm just curious, because you have said that businesses should be able to choose who they do business with and be allowed to discriminate based on race. Shouldn't that also mean that a political party has the right to choose who is allowed to join their party?

Of course not. The government has absolute authority at the end of the day to take all your liberty or your life. I don't have that authority. Me dealing with you and the government dealing with you are two different playing fields.

Discrimination has no place in the government arena. Private business, have at it. Political racial parties nope.

[gc1765]

Of course not. The government has absolute authority at the end of the day to take all your liberty or your life. I don't have that authority. Me dealing with you and the government dealing with you are two different playing fields.

Discrimination has no place in the government arena. Private business, have at it. Political racial parties nope.

Political parties are like the free market, if you don't like one you can choose another. We aren't talking about the government here, we are talking about a political party, and if they discriminate (which there is no indication that they are) they will likely never form government. If you want to argue that they have the potential to form government and therefore the potential to take away your liberties, I could argue that private businesses have just as much potential to take away your liberties (or life) as well.

[scribblet]

"But he later said the NAP wasn't a Chinese Canadian party and he intended to recruit immigrants from all ethnic groups. "However, first we have to do a good job to show people that they should join us."

When asked how the party could attract non-Chinese members if its website was all in Chinese, Chen said the English version was in the making."

How is this a Chinese-only party?

Where does it say that, I just looked at the site again and didn't see it, he does say

"Chen said the NAP hopes to unite all Chinese, with a hope to run for offices as a team. So far the party has 20 members. Chen is holding a press conference tomorrow announcing the party inauguration. After that, they will begin recruiting members."

[gc1765]

Where does it say that, I just looked at the site again and didn't see it, he does say

"Chen said the NAP hopes to unite all Chinese, with a hope to run for offices as a team. So far the party has 20 members. Chen is holding a press conference tomorrow announcing the party inauguration. After that, they will begin recruiting members."

It's from the link within your link: Link

[Canuck E Stan]

Political parties are like the free market, if you don't like one you can choose another. We aren't talking about the government here, we are talking about a political party, and if they discriminate (which there is no indication that they are) they will likely never form government.

In all probability they won't even come close, but at a $1.75 a vote this party is in for easy government money.

[gc1765]

In all probability they won't even come close, but at a $1.75 a vote this party is in for easy government money.

Sure, and the people who vote for it are paying $1.75 a vote, so what's your point?

[Remiel]

Like I've said a bazillion times, inclusion of individuals on actions and situation is not 'racist' or immorally discriminatory. The Bloc Quebecois is one of the most inclusionist parites on sex and race in Canada, easily. Having a party for people living in Quebec is not an issue.

I did not really mean to say that the Bloc itself was exclusive. I was referring to a bloc within the Bloc who see their cause, Quebec for Quebecois, defined in the most narrow terms of the original families.

[ogagator]

relax

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[ogagator]

let me add

Edited August 15, 2014 by ogagator

[jbg]

Perhaps rather odd, but arguably the Bloc Quebecois is a similarly exclusive party, insofar as the strongest supporters of its agenda are those sixty families types.

I think race and/or language based parties are a horrible idea. I believe in integration and inclusiveness.

[ScottSA]

Does anyone find this a bit disturbing, aren't we all supposed to be Canadians, so do we need a race based political party. Imagine the horror if this were an an Anglo saxon party only.

I find it deeply disturbing, but not at all surprising. In fact, ask Morris or Sweal...I've been warning of this inevitable result of multiracial immigration for 10 years or more. There seems to be a critical point of no return, when a racial or cultural group reaches a self-sustaining mass and becomes a powerbloc. This is only the first. What began as a wonderful dream of inclusion last century is destined to turn into a nightmare this century.

Unfortunately, as we can see in this thread, there are a significant number of lemmings who will refuse to see what's happening until it's far too late to stop.

[ScottSA]

relax guys.... the NAP people had changed their message to "fighting for all immigrants".

check out another entry on my blog: http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/200...ty-not-too.html

and after observing for a while, i'm convinced that these guys know nothing about politics. they don't know what they are doing...

The NSDAP didn't know the first thing about politics in 1923 either.

[geoffrey]

We aren't talking about the government here, we are talking about a political party, and if they discriminate (which there is no indication that they are) they will likely never form government.

Lots of parties have reached significant, if not government, status through being viciously racist against various groups.

If you want to argue that they have the potential to form government and therefore the potential to take away your liberties, I could argue that private businesses have just as much potential to take away your liberties (or life) as well.

The difference is that Microsoft will never be able to decide one day to seize my house, empty my bank account or hold me in a prision indefinately without any legal ramifications. The government can do all of that without any problem.

The government will eventually kill you if you go on resisting it's power long enough. Microsoft won't. Eventually, they'll give up (or get the government to finish you off).

I hold a much higher standard to the government than to the private dealings between individuals. Someone running for government should be held to an equal standard.

It's not free market when the end result is the maximum possible infringement on liberty.

[scribblet]

relax guys.... the NAP people had changed their message to "fighting for all immigrants".

check out another entry on my blog: http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/200...ty-not-too.html

and after observing for a while, i'm convinced that these guys know nothing about politics. they don't know what they are doing... the press conference last week was more like a venue for them to air their frustrations with not getting good jobs in canada than REALLY running in any election.

they also said on the press conference that they might eventually not running at all. if so, it would only become another lobbying organization. and, btw, they did talk to some korean and filipino organizations to see if they want to join the "party", with no success.

I guess they had to change it because of the optics - Any group based along cultural or ethnic lines should be recognized for what it is, but I'm sure the usual double standards will apply.

It made the MSM today

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...23-6f12659a77dc

[xul]

I'm a Chinese and now I live in Beijing, China. I have never been to Canada. I come here because I has submitted an application to immigrate to Canada, so I try to get some concept and understanding of people living in this great country. I suggest somepeople here don't warry about my appearance so much as to get headache. I am sure I have enough assets to live and carry out my carreer in Canada and will not need to spend any Canada Government money from Canadian taxpayers unless I become a taxpayer as others lived here. As I was a teenager, My parent told me never do anything to hurt an innocent people. I hope, or perhaps I should say I believe this part of "cultural" are the same in Canada and no "integration" are need.

I'm very curious why some people here are very concerned with Mr. Chen's "Party", just as when I heard a mongol who suffered mental illness claiming he was Jenghis Khan, I would not deduce that Mongolia will ruling the world.

In a chinese language immigration forum which I often visted, someone posted a topic about this event. It got only 15 replies. 9 positive, 4 negative, and 2 doubt whether Mr.Chen is sincerely. If any one may conclude that most of Chinese would support Mr.Chen's party from these statistics, I can tell him/her that the forum I mentioned has 3,966 registed members. There are only 15 of 3966th people take care about Mr. Chen's party, and only 9/3966 expressed the supporting will. But I doubt even those nine will realy willing to pay PARTY MEMBER FEE to Mr. Chen for his political ambitions.

I assert Mr.Chen will not get enough support form Chinese immigrants, because the idea of "Chinese Canadian based party serves for chinese immigration's benefits" is realy absurd and illogic. As an individual, every Chinese Canadian or Chinese immigration certainly has his/her own benifits differing form others.

For example, as a Chinese, I can say:"Canada Federal Government is the representative of Canada." But I can't believe Canada Government can represent every Canadian. If Canada Government increases inport tax to a certain Chinese goods, it benefit these Canadian producing same goods competed with Chinese goods, but it also hurts those Canadian who buy these goods. So Politician is hardly to found a policy to benefit all Canandian. We can imagine a white skin consumer will "stand with" those chinese producer to oppose the policy because it will empty his purse, while a chinese immigrant working for a Canadian producer would welcome the policy according to his white skin colleagues because it will inforce his occupation and benefit his salary.

I believe I have a fully understanding of some pelople here who concerned with the impact to your society and cultural from other different cultural accompanied with immigration. Because in my homecity Beijing, the second largest city in China, there are one third inhabitants was borned outside of the city. As I workiing for a research istitute belonged to Chinese Central Government, most of my colleagues are from other areas of China and Chinese who lived in differnt areas dose not have the same culture and convention as western people thinks. Sometimes I realy fell I am a "minority" in my hometown. Fortunately, to Canadian, Canada is a country not a city, so your government can control who can immigrate to Canada and how many people can be admited to benefit people liveing in this country rather than in other country. I don't believe there are any Canada politician need to neglect the benifits of majority of Canadian to cater to minority's will.

For the issue of accommodation and integration, I suggest some people here perhapes might chang their way of thought. If you believe BEING A CANADIAN IS NOT A BAD THING, you should have confidence of that most people in the world also have the willing to pursue a good thing. Though time perhaps be needed.

[betsy]

Let the tribalism begin !! Is it possible they could get enough votes to win a seat?

Let's see: Chinese, Arabs, East Indians, Somalians, Jamaicans, etc.....

Boy, get ready for a major headache. Well, if Chinese get to do it, everybody can! And if everybody can....votes will really be splintered.

We might be asking, do we have enough to win a seat?