500,000+ people now on fbi "watch list"

[BC_chick]

of course it's ridiculous, and is intended to make 'certain' people lives miserable, Like constitutional lawyers, and people who are democrats and people who disagree with GWB.

But terrorists? LOL. Yeah sure!

"Walter F. Murphy, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence, Emeritus, at Princeton University, attempted to check his luggage at the curbside in Albuquerque before boarding a plane to Newark, New Jersey. Murphy was told he could not use the service.

"I was denied a boarding pass because I was on the Terrorist Watch list," he said.

When inquiring with a clerk why he was on the list, Murphy was asked if he had participated in any peace marches.

"We ban a lot of people from flying because of that," a clerk said."

or how about????

Dr Francis A Boyle,Professor of International Law, University of Illinois

Francis A. Boyle is a leading American professor, practitioner and advocate of international law. He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. He served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the World Court. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, 'Palestine, Palestinians and International Law', 'The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence', 'Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law', 'The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy', 'Foundations of World Order: The Legalist Approach to International Relations 1898-1921', and 'The Bosnian People Charge Genocide'.

Francis A. Boyle holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University.

( i heard him interviewed, he's on the terrorist watch list)

dam those terrorists!

You're kidding me! This is nothing short of Orwellian thought-crimes.

[kuzadd]

of course it's ridiculous, and is intended to make 'certain' people lives miserable, Like constitutional lawyers, and people who are democrats and people who disagree with GWB.

But terrorists? LOL. Yeah sure!

"Walter F. Murphy, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence, Emeritus, at Princeton University, attempted to check his luggage at the curbside in Albuquerque before boarding a plane to Newark, New Jersey. Murphy was told he could not use the service.

"I was denied a boarding pass because I was on the Terrorist Watch list," he said.

When inquiring with a clerk why he was on the list, Murphy was asked if he had participated in any peace marches.

"We ban a lot of people from flying because of that," a clerk said."

or how about????

Dr Francis A Boyle,Professor of International Law, University of Illinois

Francis A. Boyle is a leading American professor, practitioner and advocate of international law. He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. He served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the World Court. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, 'Palestine, Palestinians and International Law', 'The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence', 'Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law', 'The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy', 'Foundations of World Order: The Legalist Approach to International Relations 1898-1921', and 'The Bosnian People Charge Genocide'.

Francis A. Boyle holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University.

( i heard him interviewed, he's on the terrorist watch list)

dam those terrorists!

You're kidding me! This is nothing short of Orwellian thought-crimes.

I am not kidding you.

I'll give you a link to an interview, where he says it himself, plus, if you wanna hear, how knowledgable this guy is????

http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?page=2

Listen Now..

Biowarfare and the Emergence of Police State America

Interview with author and professor of international law, Dr. Francis Boyle. The history of biological warfare development and the Biological Weapons Convention; forced anthrax inoculations of the military; anthrax attacks on congress and the resultant Patriot legislation setting up a police state; FBI agent Marion "Spike" Bowman's thwarting of FBI investigations into both Zacarias Moussaoui and the anthrax attacks on congress; the DNC's prevention of impeachment proceedings against Bush and others in his administration for high crimes and misdemeanors.

I have relistened to this interview numerous times, it is quite interesting.

[jester]

The watch lists and airport securityare reaching stupid proportions. There was an interview at a British airport about how dumb things are getting. The person being interviewed said that he is searched and checked every time he flies and asked one day why? The response was that he may try and take over the plane to which he responded "I'm the pilot I'm supposed to take over the plane". Another person took hand luggage on the aircraft but on the RETURN journey was refused with exactly the same hand luggage. There is a top limit with information collecting where a point is reached and overload commences. I would say that we are very near that point now and are in fact making things more dangerous due to the massive info backlog being produced and people being made complacent in their own security. I mean how smart do you have to be to watch bags all day every day..........

[stignasty]

Cat Stevens should remain banned from US entry for life....I recall that Mr. Stevens opined that the author of "Satanic Verses" (Rushdie) deserved to die for blasphemy. Peace Train indeed!

"Salman Rushdie, indeed any writer who abuses the prophet or indeed any prophet under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death."

Cat Stevens

He supported 911 and has made noises about Jihading against Jews. Why in God's name should he allowed to fly?

"The latest horror to hit the U.S. looks to have been caused by people of Middle Eastern origin, bearing Muslim names. Again, shame. This fuels more hatred for a religion and a people who have nothing to do with these events. "

Cat Stevens

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c...vens203130.html

[ScottSA]

He supported 911 and has made noises about Jihading against Jews. Why in God's name should he allowed to fly?

"The latest horror to hit the U.S. looks to have been caused by people of Middle Eastern origin, bearing Muslim names. Again, shame. This fuels more hatred for a religion and a people who have nothing to do with these events. "

Cat Stevens

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c...vens203130.html

A British charity has been accused by the American government of financing Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.

The Islamic Relief Agency (ISRA), which is based in Birmingham and provides aid for orphanages and water wells in countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, has been designated by the United States treasury as being part of a network of "terrorist" charities that have allegedly "provided hundreds of thousands of dollars to Osama bin Laden".

The Telegraph has also discovered that Yusuf Islam, the singer formerly known as Cat Stevens who was refused entry to America last September because his name was on a security watch list, has previously donated thousands of pounds to the Birmingham charity.

The reason for his exclusion has never been publicly revealed, but last night American officials indicated that the entertainer's funding of the ISRA was one of the reasons for him being banned. Mr Islam has always denied financing terrorism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...2/13/ncat13.xml

TORONTO - Yusuf Islam, the British singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was the guest of honour at a Toronto fundraising dinner hosted by an organization that has since been identified by the Canadian government as a "front" for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas.

In a videotape of the 1998 event obtained by the National Post, Mr. Islam describes Israel as a "so-called new society" created by a "so-called religion" and urges the audience to donate to the Jerusalem Fund for Human Services to "lessen the suffering of our brothers and sisters in Palestine and the Holy Land."http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003377.php

and this:

Yes, in 1988, the singer of “Peace Train” authored an “informational pamphlet,” called “Eyewitness,” containing these peaceful words:

“The Jews seem neither to respect God nor his creation. Their own holy books contain the curse of God brought upon them by their prophets on account of their disobedience to Him and mischief in the earth. We have seen the disrespect for religion displayed by those who consider themselves to be 'God's chosen people.'...There will be no justice until all the land is given back to its rightful owners... Only Islam can bring peace back to the Holy Land.”

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/columns/column092204.shtml

I'm sure there are more. Lies, no doubt. All lies. Cat is as innocent as the folks who paraded through the Nurembourg trials, all piously proclaiming their innocence.

[stignasty]

Lies, no doubt. All lies. Cat is as innocent as the folks who paraded through the Nurembourg trials, all piously proclaiming their innocence.

Can we at least attempt to keep this on some sort of a mature level? I posted two quotes, one showing that he supported the decrees against Salman Rushdie, the other where he stops short of condemning the actions of 9/11 and instead talks about the problems that the attacks will cause for his own community. If you had stopped the knee jerk you would have noticed that both support your assertion that he holds radical views that could be seen as justification for putting him on the "watch list."

[ScottSA]

Lies, no doubt. All lies. Cat is as innocent as the folks who paraded through the Nurembourg trials, all piously proclaiming their innocence.

Can we at least attempt to keep this on some sort of a mature level? I posted two quotes, one showing that he supported the decrees against Salman Rushdie, the other where he stops short of condemning the actions of 9/11 and instead talks about the problems that the attacks will cause for his own community. If you had stopped the knee jerk you would have noticed that both support your assertion that he holds radical views that could be seen as justification for putting him on the "watch list."

And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize.

[stignasty]

And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize.

It doesn't matter who started the thread. You replied to me... now you dodge. Is it so hard for you to say, "I misread your post and jumped to a conclusion in error?" If you had said nothing you would have looked better than you do now by trying to spin.

[ScottSA]

And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize.

It doesn't matter who started the thread. You replied to me... now you dodge. Is it so hard for you to say, "I misread your post and jumped to a conclusion in error?" If you had said nothing you would have looked better than you do now by trying to spin.

I'm not dodging you, I'm trying to explain to you that I was talking to Kuzzad. Go back and look at the post. Why would I dodge someone who leaps on my back and loudly bellows in my ear that he agrees with me?

[kuzadd]

Lies, no doubt. All lies. Cat is as innocent as the folks who paraded through the Nurembourg trials, all piously proclaiming their innocence.

Can we at least attempt to keep this on some sort of a mature level? I posted two quotes, one showing that he supported the decrees against Salman Rushdie, the other where he stops short of condemning the actions of 9/11 and instead talks about the problems that the attacks will cause for his own community. If you had stopped the knee jerk you would have noticed that both support your assertion that he holds radical views that could be seen as justification for putting him on the "watch list."

And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize.

hey scottsa, was cat stevens charged?

Nope!

was he released and went on home

Yup!

so get over it, cause the US gov. clearlydid/ has.

[ScottSA]

Lies, no doubt. All lies. Cat is as innocent as the folks who paraded through the Nurembourg trials, all piously proclaiming their innocence.

Can we at least attempt to keep this on some sort of a mature level? I posted two quotes, one showing that he supported the decrees against Salman Rushdie, the other where he stops short of condemning the actions of 9/11 and instead talks about the problems that the attacks will cause for his own community. If you had stopped the knee jerk you would have noticed that both support your assertion that he holds radical views that could be seen as justification for putting him on the "watch list."

And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize.

hey scottsa, was cat stevens charged?

Nope!

was he released and went on home

Yup!

so get over it, cause the US gov. clearlydid/ has.

I wasn't aware that we were talking about anyone being "charged." Way to move the goalposts.

[JerrySeinfeld]

this is ridiculous.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/0...error_watc.html

FBI Terror Watch List 'Out of Control'

June 13, 2007 8:55 AM

Justin Rood Reports:

"A terrorist watch list compiled by the FBI has apparently swelled to include more than half a million names.

Privacy and civil liberties advocates say the list is growing uncontrollably, threatening its usefulness in the war on terror.

The bureau says the number of names on its terrorist watch list is classified.

A portion of the FBI's unclassified 2008 budget request posted to the Department of Justice Web site, however, refers to "the entire watch list of 509,000 names," which is utilized by its Foreign Terrorist Tracking Task Force."

this is nazi germany happening all over again. This really needs to be stopped. It is only allowed to happen when good people stand back and do nothing.

Shouldn't it be alot more than that?

Aren't there an estimated 40,000,000 people living in the country illegally?

[Black Dog]

Shouldn't it be alot more than that?

Aren't there an estimated 40,000,000 people living in the country illegally?

Every fruit picker and housekeeper is a jihadi now?

It's a terrorist watch list. If there were half a million terrorists in the States, I'm sure you'd see a lot more things going ka-blooey.

[runningdog]

Shouldn't it be alot more than that?

Aren't there an estimated 40,000,000 people living in the country illegally?

Every fruit picker and housekeeper is a jihadi now?

It's a terrorist watch list. If there were half a million terrorists in the States, I'm sure you'd see a lot more things going ka-blooey.

if you disagree with the bush government or DARE protest (even in a peaceful way), you will probably be put on the list. Non white skin color? Good chance you're on the list. How ANYONE who values freedom can be an apologist for this list is beyond me, other than they are easily brainwashed (no kidding, huh?) You atre either a terrorist or you are NOT a terrorist. The list is probably now at 600k and yet, according to certain sheep on this board, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE NEED TO PUT MORE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST SO WE CAN BE SAFE! Idiots, all of them.

[ScottSA]

if you disagree with the bush government or DARE protest (even in a peaceful way), you will probably be put on the list. Non white skin color? Good chance you're on the list. How ANYONE who values freedom can be an apologist for this list is beyond me, other than they are easily brainwashed (no kidding, huh?) You atre either a terrorist or you are NOT a terrorist. The list is probably now at 600k and yet, according to certain sheep on this board, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE NEED TO PUT MORE PEOPLE ON THIS LIST SO WE CAN BE SAFE! Idiots, all of them.

How ridiculous.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Every fruit picker and housekeeper is a jihadi now?

No. If there are 20,000,000 people flouting american law and living under the radar, the watch list is only watching 2.5% of that number. I'm simply pointing out that 500,000 isn't a big number, which seems to be the point of this thread.

It's a terrorist watch list. If there were half a million terrorists in the States, I'm sure you'd see a lot more things going ka-blooey.

Maybe - but attempts have been foiled.

Let's face it - alot of the jihadi's aren't too bright. We all think of these intricate plots, but in reality the 9-11 attackers were just a bunch of blow hard bad-tippers at a strip club on Sept. 10, 2001.

And you're right: it's a "watch" list - not an "arrest" list.

[M.Dancer]

this is nazi germany happening all over again. This really needs to be stopped. It is only allowed to happen when good people stand back and do nothing.

The Germans had a no-fly list?

...interstingly, the allies had a "list" too...a list of suspected provocateurs, fifth columnists etc etc.....

Did that make the Allies like Nazi Germany too?

[M.Dancer]

He will always be Cat Stevens to me.

So what if he was using a Muslim name, or had converted to Islam?

it's irrelevant. He wasn't a terrorist.

The only thing that indicates is, have a "muslim name " or a muslim sounding name and your on the terrorist list.

He supported 911 and has made noises about Jihading against Jews. Why in God's name should he allowed to fly?

No he didn't. I heard him speak (and not the trimmed quotes from the tabs) and he was unequivocal

[M.Dancer]

Cat Stevens should remain banned from US entry for life....I recall that Mr. Stevens opined that the author of "Satanic Verses" (Rushdie) deserved to die for blasphemy. Peace Train indeed!

Yes and he had been a "born again" Muslim for all of a few years. No different really from a naive "born again" christian saying that doctors who perform abortions should be tried for murder. What he was really asked was, was the fatwa legitimate (and really, why ask him at all, he isn't a scholar) he said that according to the Koran, yes......

He has since repudiated the comment likening it to passages in the OT that call for witches to be stoned, yes it is there, but we do not sanction witch killing

[sharkman]

Which killing?

[M.Dancer]

Wish Killing

[stignasty]

Well, no wonder Cat Stevens couldn't fly:

Air Canada adds pets to no-fly list

Last Updated: Thursday, June 21, 2007 | 5:15 PM ET

CBC News

Air Canada has declared its aircraft no-fly zones for pets.

As of next month, animals will no longer be allowed aboard any Air Canada flights.

While the airline barred pets from aircraft cabins last September, the restriction now applies to the baggage compartment as well.