Religious Honor Killings

[Higgly]

Ah, so you lied then. I will keep that in mind when debating with you.

Well, that'll certainly be a good reason to put you on my ignore list.

[Higgly]

of course you are ASSUMING, that a poster, actually KNEW someone else had already responded??

That is not always the case, because , by time one reads over their own posting and then decides to edit, someone else could have responded, and the originating poster would have NO knowledge of this.

When one posts it to the forum, it is only there own post that shows on the screen at that time, and not any other responses.

Now had you thought your wild accusations through in a rational manner, that would have occured to you.

But, since you prefer accusations and gross assumptions, so be it.

obviously you did not think through the process of posting on this forum, before you made numerous foolish comments.

Sharkman lies all the time. Don't let it get to you.

[kuzadd]

Sharkman lies all the time. Don't let it get to you.

Thank-You for bringing that to my attention, I wondered what the problem was, now I KNOW.

rofl!!!

;-)

editted: thereby to reduce quotations as per forum request, and to make it easier for sharkman, in case he has already responded to said posting above , without my knowledge. lol

[Higgly]

No problem. These threads that dwell on the sins of other peoples more backward than us are such fun, don't you think? Sort of like a high brow National Enquirer. It's especially fun when Arabs or Moslems can be brought into the picture.

Sharkman, did you catch that edit?

[sharkman]

Sharkman lies all the time. Don't let it get to you.

Thank-You for bringing that to my attention, I wondered what the problem was, now I KNOW.

rofl!!!

;-)

editted: thereby to reduce quotations as per forum request, and to make it easier for sharkman, in case he has already responded to said posting above , without my knowledge. lol

There you go kuzy, I think you're catching on!

Edit: Higgy, it sounds like you are bored again, maybe you should play a few rounds on the old xbox.

[cybercoma]

This has nothing to do with religion!? Are you people for real?

She was murdered because her bf was of the wrong RELIGION.

Revenge was taken against people who were YAZIDIS for no other reason than their religion.

Yeah, it's a cultural thing... and religion is the main flaw in the culture.

[cybercoma]

No problem. These threads that dwell on the sins of other peoples more backward than us are such fun, don't you think? Sort of like a high brow National Enquirer. It's especially fun when Arabs or Moslems can be brought into the picture.

Sharkman, did you catch that edit?

I don't think stoning this girl to death is anymore backward than murdering abortion doctors or beating homosexuals to death. Do you?

[kuzadd]

No problem. These threads that dwell on the sins of other peoples more backward than us are such fun, don't you think? Sort of like a high brow National Enquirer. It's especially fun when Arabs or Moslems can be brought into the picture.

Sharkman, did you catch that edit?

well really, I can see the benefit of threads that fall into that category, because they give us the "warm and fuzzies" about ourselves, look over there , they are so bad and we are so great!

Then we never have to actually accept/change our own shortcomings, double deals, flaws , whatever, cause we are smug in our 'superiority' and our knowledge and reinforcement of our 'superiority'. We are never wrong!

( we may be delusional, but, we are never wrong! lol)

ooops editted to add ," lol", incase sharkman in particular, has responded without my knowledge, so I can avoid unrealistic accusations being made. Careful what you wish for sharkman?

[kuzadd]

This has nothing to do with religion!? Are you people for real?

She was murdered because her bf was of the wrong RELIGION.

Revenge was taken against people who were YAZIDIS for no other reason than their religion.

Yeah, it's a cultural thing... and religion is the main flaw in the culture.

actually, whoever said, it was not religion is correct, IMO, is is patriarchy, that is the problem.

Religion the excuse or justification, the problem is men make the rules that suit them, and women, who step out of line get put in place, any excuse will do!

[buffycat]

I would agree that honour killings ar mostly more cultural than defined by any one religion. However, that all three monotheistic religions are also patriarchial is no coincidence. To associate it blindly with only Islam (which IMO does not exactly condone such activity) is blind bigotry to say the least. Does it happen? Sure, but that does not explain why it also occurs in other populations not under Islamic doctorines.

While I usually don't use this site, it did have a pretty concise page on honour killings and how they are more cultural than indicitative of religious beliefs:

http://www.answers.com/honour%20killing

[Argus]

No problem. These threads that dwell on the sins of other peoples more backward than us are such fun, don't you think? Sort of like a high brow National Enquirer. It's especially fun when Arabs or Moslems can be brought into the picture.

Sharkman, did you catch that edit?

I don't think stoning this girl to death is anymore backward than murdering abortion doctors or beating homosexuals to death. Do you?

And that happens every day, does it? Shall we compare how many honor killings take place with how many doctors are killed? And while you're talking about beating homos to death you might consider that this takes place far more often in the Arab world than in the West. Homosexuality is actually legally punishable by death in some Arab nations.

[kuzadd]

Homosexuality is actually legally punishable by death in some Arab nations.

and the fundamentalist christians drool with anticipation, (like pavlov's dog's) when they will be able to do that also

[sharkman]

and the fundamentalist christians drool with anticipation, (like pavlov's dog's) when they will be able to do that also

knock off the trolling, will you? You show your ignorance of fundamentalists, christians and pavlov's dog.

[cybercoma]

And that happens every day, does it? Shall we compare how many honor killings take place with how many doctors are killed? And while you're talking about beating homos to death you might consider that this takes place far more often in the Arab world than in the West. Homosexuality is actually legally punishable by death in some Arab nations.

So, it's ok to kill abortion doctors and beat homosexuals to death as long as the Christian's murder rate doesn't excede the Muslim one?

I'm not saying one death is worse than the other, I think they're equally reprehensible.

I think it's especially idiotic that it's because of religious doctrine that these people have been killed. Doctrine that depends entirely on faith in an unproven entity.

Those that are calling it culture, clearly do not understand that religion is deeply entrenched in the culture of middle eastern countries. They are practically inseparable. This girl was clearly murdered because of religious convictions. It wasn't because she was with a boy of a different race or who spoke a different language, it was because he believed in the wrong religion. The follow-up attacks killed 24 people people, not because of their culture, but because of what religion they believed in.

Furthermore, it is not our 'culture' in North America to murder abortion doctors, whether it happens everyday or not. These things happen because of religious dogma. If you don't like that, look at Jehova's Witnesses who refuse to allow doctors to give their children life-saving blood transfusions. People will allow their children to die because of belief in the unproven.

Murdering someone, or allowing someone to die because of religious conviction is a terrible waste of life regardless of who is doing it.

[cybercoma]

and the fundamentalist christians drool with anticipation, (like pavlov's dog's) when they will be able to do that also

knock off the trolling, will you? You show your ignorance of fundamentalists, christians and pavlov's dog.

"Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals -- the two things seem to go together."

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 21, 1993, ignoring the facts that the Nazis killed homosexuals as ruthlessly as they did Jews and that Satanism emerged with Anton Szandor LaVey

"I have known few homosexuals who did not practice their tendencies. Such people are sinning against God and will lead to the ultimate destruction of the family and our nation. I am unalterably opposed to such things, and will do everything I can to restrict the freedom of these people to spread their contagious infection to the youth of our nation."

-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, May 24, 1994

"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."

-- Jerry Falwell

I guess that's as close to giving public death threats as one can without actually saying something illegal.

Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, you can claim are radicals; however, there are millions of Americans that hang on the every word of these two men.

So, drooling with anticipation as to when they could publicly execute homosexuals, like is done in the middle east, is probably not as inaccurate as you contend. Not only does Falwell revel in the fact that homosexuals are dying from AIDS, he's also quite alright with others in society dying from AIDS because it is God's punishment.

This type of hatred, true unbridled hatred, should be disgusting to anyone with an ounce of morality.

[Catchme]

Last month seventeen year old Dua Khalil was pulled into a crowd of young men, some of them (the instigators) family, who then kicked and stoned her to death. This is an example of the breath-taking oxymoron “honor killing”, in which a family member (almost always female) is murdered for some religious or ethical transgression. Dua Khalil, who was of the Yazidi faith, had been seen in the company of a Sunni Muslim, and possibly suspected of having married him or converted. That she was torturously murdered for this is not, in fact, a particularly uncommon story. But now you can watch the action up close on CNN. Because as the girl was on the ground trying to get up, her face nothing but red, the few in the group of more than twenty men who were not busy kicking her and hurling stones at her were filming the event with their camera-phones.

There were security officers standing outside the area doing nothing, but the footage of the murder was taken – by more than one phone – from the front row. Which means whoever shot it did so not to record the horror of the event, but to commemorate it. To share it. Because it was cool.

I could start a rant about the level to which we have become desensitized to violence, about the evils of the voyeuristic digital world in which everything is shown and everything is game, but honestly, it’s been said. And I certainly have no jingoistic cultural agenda. I like to think that in America this would be considered unbearably appalling, that Kitty Genovese is still remembered, that we are more evolved. But coincidentally, right before I stumbled on this vid I watched the trailer for “Captivity”.

A few of you may know that I took public exception to the billboard campaign for this film, which showed a concise narrative of the kidnapping, torture and murder of a sexy young woman. I wanted to see if the film was perhaps more substantial (especially given the fact that it was directed by “The Killing Fields” Roland Joffe) than the exploitive ad campaign had painted it. The trailer resembles nothing so much as the CNN story on Dua Khalil. Pretty much all you learn is that Elisha Cuthbert is beautiful, then kidnapped, inventively, repeatedly and horrifically tortured, and that the first thing she screams is “I’m sorry”.

“I’m sorry.”

What is wrong with women?

I mean wrong. Physically. Spiritually. Something unnatural, something destructive, something that needs to be corrected.

All my life I’ve looked at this faulty equation, trying to understand, and I’ve shorted out. I don’t pretend to be a great guy; I know really really well about objectification, trust me. And I’m not for a second going down the “women are saints” route – that just leads to more stone-throwing (and occasional Joan-burning). I just think there is the staggering imbalance in the world that we all just take for granted. If we were all told the sky was evil, or at best a little embarrassing, and we ought not look at it, wouldn’t that tradition eventually fall apart..

http://whedonesque.com/comments/13271

[kuzadd]

and the fundamentalist christians drool with anticipation, (like pavlov's dog's) when they will be able to do that also

knock off the trolling, will you? You show your ignorance of fundamentalists, christians and pavlov's dog.

I am not trolling, I am just calling it as I see it.!!!

[sharkman]

And that happens every day, does it? Shall we compare how many honor killings take place with how many doctors are killed? And while you're talking about beating homos to death you might consider that this takes place far more often in the Arab world than in the West. Homosexuality is actually legally punishable by death in some Arab nations.

This is what the left just can't comprehend because they don't see it on their TV screens. Gays being sentenced to death for being gay, while in our Western culture gays are accepted on most levels. Western culture, influenced by Christianity is doing much better than cultures influenced by Islam.

The Falwells and Robertsons may have their opinions, but they don't call for the deaths of gays lilke Islam does.

[Drea]

No, Western culture as influenced by SECULARISTS...

If there were no nonbelievers Christians would still be stoning people, burning them for heresay, etc.

Even bad old islamists are waking up -- take a look at Turkey -- rallying for the separation of church and state!

they certainly are not rallying to become christians -- they want a seperation of church and state much like we have here.

Christianity is not better than islam -- its just that christianity has us sane folks to nip it's idiocy in the bud.

Theism belongs ONLY in the heart/mind of the believer, not in law or parliament, school or work.

[sharkman]

No, Western culture as influenced by SECULARISTS...

If there were no nonbelievers Christians would still be stoning people, burning them for heresay, etc.

Even bad old islamists are waking up -- take a look at Turkey -- rallying for the separation of church and state!

they certainly are not rallying to become christians -- they want a seperation of church and state much like we have here.

Christianity is not better than islam -- its just that christianity has us sane folks to nip it's idiocy in the bud.

Theism belongs ONLY in the heart/mind of the believer, not in law or parliament, school or work.

The separation of church and state was a founding tenet of the U.S. constitution, written up in part by Christians who saw the faults of the British Government, and wanted none of the same. why should you, an athiest, have any idea at all where theism belongs. Hey, aren't you the one who said that religious extremists should have their tongues removed and their hands mutilated? That makes YOU and extremist.

[Drea]

As an a-theist I have every right in the world to question "theists" as long as their "theism" affects me (theism in govt, schools, etc).

Now if you keep your theism to yourself (in your heart and mind) I have no problem with it.

And gee, I wonder why the founding father's made that decision? Yah think it might have something to do with *oppression and the fleeing from it?

*oppression by god or king -- same thing, different "Lord". LOL

[guyser]

This is what the left just can't comprehend because they don't see it on their TV screens. Gays being sentenced to death for being gay, while in our Western culture gays are accepted on most levels. Western culture, influenced by Christianity is doing much better than cultures influenced by Islam.

Nice. The left is full of moronic simpletons because " we dont see it on our TV screens."

Lets see , can I slag the right on this? You know...tit for tat?

The Caribbean is well known for gay killings , anti-sodomy laws on the books, except for the Dutch colonies, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica etc are all well known homophobe spots.

And what is their predominant religion?

Thats right, Christianity.

[sharkman]

You seem to have missed the point. The U.S., by having a separation of church and state 100s of yrs ago is hundreds of years ahead of Islamist states like Turkey. What they and we in Canada have is among the freest in the world. You are free to be gay, while in Islamist states you are not. Refute that if you can...

[Drea]

You are saying we are free BECAUSE of christianity.

I am saying we are free IN SPITE of christianity.

Obviously islam is a stronger religion than christianity as they have been able to hold off the hordes of secularists for so much longer...

Not that they are any better than any other religion -- just better at controlling folks.

And islolation -- they've isolated their populace for so long they could tell them anything. But thankfully that is changing and even they are waking up to reality.

[scribblet]

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Not that they are any better than any other religion -- just better at controlling folks.

And islolation -- they've isolated their populace for so long they could tell them anything. But thankfully that is changing and even they are waking up to reality.

They are ??