Disgruntled Tories consider refounding Reform Party

[Argus]

geoffrey, many fiscal conservatives are socially liberal (like yourself) and IMO, that's what a true conservative is in the 21st century. The social conservatives are nothing but the fringes of society who get used for votes by conservative governments.

I like how someone whose own views are so far left only the fringes of society would ever agree with her dismisses social conservatives in all their millions as "the fringes of society". I might not be a social conservative, but I recognize that massive numbers of Canadians are deeply unhappy with the gay-friendly, abortion-on-demand, love-the-world-multiculturalism of the "fringe left" like yourself.

[Argus]

Why are they similarities only uncanny to the left?

Could it be more unfounded *scary* *scary* *scary*?

Too many to mention.

I bet there are as many if not more similarities between your views and those of, say, Fidel Castro.

[scribblet]

I bet there are as many if not more similarities between your views and those of, say, Fidel Castro.

I find that a lot of left wing people support Castro, many seem to think its a socialist utopia.

[jdobbin]

I find that a lot of left wing people support Castro, many seem to think its a socialist utopia.

Many Conservatives that I know vacation there anyways.

[Canuck E Stan]

Many Conservatives that I know vacation there anyways.

Lots of Liberals from the east go to Conservative Alberta for employment as well.

[jdobbin]

Lots of Liberals from the east go to Conservative Alberta for employment as well.

Funny how people often leave politics at the door when making holidays or seeking work.

[Michael Bluth]

Yet nobody touched that post except gc who agreed with some of my points. Yes, kudos to me for at least trying to make an argument - good or bad, at least I presented one, unlike you and your camp.

All you say is "oh no, the big bad left makes unjust comparisons to fear-monger."

Yet, when presented with multiple examples thereof, you are all strangely silent.

Yet you didn't touch my response. Here it is. Nice effort though.

The comparisons are so tortured.

No National leader is going to make everybody happy with all of their decisions. That is what leadership is.

To use those examples as why Harper hasn't learned from Bush is ridiculous. They are such minor points of what both have done in Government.

The left tries to make the comparison because of the general, and well-founded, dislike for Bush that many Canadians feel.

[Canuck E Stan]

Funny how people often leave politics at the door when making holidays or seeking work.

Can't afford to be on a holiday if you don't have work from which to have a holiday, unless of course you don't have to worry about working, then everyday is a holiday.

[gc1765]

I wouldn't say he governed from the right either, and he certainly didn't govern from the left. Fiscally, he spent more than Clinton who was infamous for his spending and of all the three hot-topic social-conservative issues, SSM, Roe vs. Wade and stem-cell research, he only put his foot down on the easiest one - stem-cell reseach.

He governed from the right by invading Iraq. True that he spent a lot of money, but a lot of that money was on the Iraq war. Nonetheless, he still gave tax cuts to the rich.

Socially, he did his best to amend the constitution to get rid of SSM. If it were up to Bush, SSM would be banned.

I'm not sure how much power Bush has in reference to Roe vs Wade, but if it were up to Bush, I'm sure we'd see abortion banned too.

And of course stem cell research.

[1967100]

One more reason why Quebec needs to be pushed out of this country. If we don't bend over to them, they cry. If we do, the west cries and makes these right-wing fanatic fringe parties. For god's sake please end the suffering and separate. I don't care if it means losing 7 million from the population of Canada. There will never be equalibrium in Canada if they remain.

[BC_chick]

He governed from the right by invading Iraq. True that he spent a lot of money, but a lot of that money was on the Iraq war. Nonetheless, he still gave tax cuts to the rich.

Socially, he did his best to amend the constitution to get rid of SSM. If it were up to Bush, SSM would be banned.

I'm not sure how much power Bush has in reference to Roe vs Wade, but if it were up to Bush, I'm sure we'd see abortion banned too.

And of course stem cell research.

Iraq wasn't a right or left, remember Blair was in too, and he's not a rightie. SSM was only an issue around election time (much like Harper as I implied), but it took him a whole three weeks after the 2004 election to drop the issue. I don't think if he had his way he'd ban it, I think he gave his Evangelical base the face they wanted to see. The fact that he dropped the issue so fast after the election pretty much sums that up. Same with abortion and stem-cell, he's pandering to his base. With friends like Gannon, it's hard to believe Bush is actually the pious man he pretends to be.

[bush_cheney2004]

Iraq wasn't a right or left, remember Blair was in too, and he's not a rightie. SSM was only an issue around election time (much like Harper as I implied), but it took him a whole three weeks after the 2004 election to drop the issue. I don't think if he had his way he'd ban it, I think he gave his Evangelical base the face they wanted to see. The fact that he dropped the issue so fast after the election pretty much sums that up. Same with abortion and stem-cell, he's pandering to his base. With friends like Gannon, it's hard to believe Bush is actually the pious man he pretends to be.

The Defense of Marriage Act prospered under President Clinton in 1996, long before Dubya came along. Numerous states have amended their constitutions since to exclude same gender marriage. But it is more fun to hang this issue on Bush!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

[BC_chick]

bush_cheney, though I appreciate the input, it has no relevance to my argument if you read the thread. I'm arguing that despite claims to the contrary, Bush's policies have been along the spectrum, rendering his governing style centrist if anything. Bringing Clinton into it just reaffirms that point, it doesn't contradict or refute it.

[bush_cheney2004]

bush_cheney, though I appreciate the input, it has no relevance to my argument if you read the thread. I'm arguing that despite claims to the contrary, Bush's policies have been along the spectrum, rendering his governing style centrist if anything. Bringing Clinton into it just reaffirms that point, it doesn't contradict or refute it.

I'm not sure what you are arguing with fragmented references to American politicians' stances, but so called "Gay Marriage" is /was an issue outside of "election time". Indeed, the US has wrestled with the issue at state levels long before Canada became a "me-too" at the federal level.