August1991 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Dion received his French citizenship through his mother. Canadians should be proud that foreigners choose to come and live among us and they and their children succeed in life. What f*cking ever. Sometimes, I'm forced to admire the glib reactions of (North) Americans. What a country! Quote
sharkman Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 At the end of the day, people just don't care, like our newest GG, who supported Quebec's separation. As far as Dion goes, I don't know if he's got divided loyalties, but he sure can't lead. The Liberals need 6 or 8 years of him. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Do you have some reason, other than a piece of paper, to suspect he is not loyal to Canada? Sounds like *scary* *scary* *scary* to me If it's just a piece of paper why does he hold onto it? Dion received his French citizenship through his mother. Canadians should be proud that foreigners choose to come and live among us and they and their children succeed in life. What f*cking ever. Sometimes, I'm forced to admire the glib reactions of (North) Americans. What a country! That wasn't my whole response. Nice try though.... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 If it's just a piece of paper why does he hold onto it? Probably because it's not a big deal. He has said it it was a big deal, he would get rid of it. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 At the end of the day, people just don't care, like our newest GG, who was supported Quebec's separation.As far as Dion goes, I don't know if he's got divided loyalties, but he sure can't lead. The Liberals need 6 or 8 years of him. And yet the Tories are tied with this so-called loser in the polls. Quote
Wilber Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 As long as someone who aspires to be Prime Minister holds citizenship of an other country, it will be an issue whether it influences them or not. That is just a fact of life in today's politics. To think otherwise is just plain naive. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 Yeah, after the Kyoto decision, Income Trusts, afghanistan, Emerson, and things like the 'Make-up' scandal, the $15000 in aircraft rentals, and being friendly to Bush, they are still 'tied' in the polls. Why is that? After all of these attacks on the Tories and more, they are still hanging in there. The Liberals must be thinking they've thrown everything they could at Harper to divert attention away from Dion's performance, and Harper remains within striking distance of a majority! And when an election nears and the Tories release the usual pre-election goodies AND the attack ads, Dion's house of cards will come crashing down, and soon after the next election, Dion will be forced out or resign. It's good to be a Tory these days. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted May 9, 2007 Report Posted May 9, 2007 ....and Harper remains within striking distance of a majority! so apparently do the Liberals.. odd that. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jbg Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 So why bother being a citizen?Why bother caring if he is a citizen?Presumably he's loyal to something. If not Canada why not France? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 It has been said before here: Extra citizenship was never an issue when John Turner was Prime Minister.Canada is linked to Britain by being part of the Commonwealth, having Britain as a mother country, and sharing the primary language, and in many other ways. A heritage of British linkage is proud. A heritage of French linkage harks to Pierre Laval, Field Marshal Petain, Vichy, Le Affaire Dreyfusse, and the guillotine. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 And if we're speaking of allegiance, the British had a Jewish PM - Disraeli - in the 19th century.And what divided allegiance does that create? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 Presumably he's loyal to something. If not Canada why not France? You have some reason to believe he's not loyal to Canada (except for a piece of paper of course)? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Martin Chriton Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 UNBELIEVABLE.... you guys are really scrapping the bottom now!hilarious. Imagine if Harper was a dual Canadian-American citizen. Would the left be fine with that? I think not. Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 the British had a Jewish PM - Disraeli - in the 19th century. The use of Disraeli as an example of someone with two citizenships was a poor choice for a number of reasons. First of all,Disraeli was born in London on 21st December, 1804, that makes him a British citizen. Second of all, Disraeli was not Jewish(see quote). Thirdly,even if Disraeli was Jewish, his religion(and being Jewish, is a religion) has no relevance to this arguement of holding citizenships of two different nations. Benjamin Disraeli the first and thus far only person of Jewish parentage to do so (although Disraeli was baptised in the Anglican Church at thirteen). Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
Wilber Posted May 13, 2007 Report Posted May 13, 2007 And if we're speaking of allegiance, the British had a Jewish PM - Disraeli - in the 19th century.And what divided allegiance does that create? What does being Jewish have to do with dual citizenship? I don't think Disraeli held citizenship in any other country than Britain as I believe both his parents were British born from Italian immigrant families. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted May 14, 2007 Report Posted May 14, 2007 And if we're speaking of allegiance, the British had a Jewish PM - Disraeli - in the 19th century.And what divided allegiance does that create?What does being Jewish have to do with dual citizenship? I don't think Disraeli held citizenship in any other country than Britain as I believe both his parents were British born from Italian immigrant families.The implication is the ultimately horrific one that Jews are not loyal to their countries of birth and citizenship. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted May 14, 2007 Report Posted May 14, 2007 The implication is the ultimately horrific one that Jews are not loyal to their countries of birth and citizenship. In some circles unfortunately yet he did become PM, served twice and was Victoria's favourite. With no country that was Jewish at the time, one has to wonder what other country would command their allegiance. The assistance of the Rothschild's was a big factor in Britain's ability to successfully prosecute its wars against Napoleon. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted May 15, 2007 Report Posted May 15, 2007 And if we're speaking of allegiance, the British had a Jewish PM - Disraeli - in the 19th century.And what divided allegiance does that create?What does being Jewish have to do with dual citizenship? I don't think Disraeli held citizenship in any other country than Britain as I believe both his parents were British born from Italian immigrant families. Agreed. I was waiting for 24 hours to cool off after reading that post, before speaking my mind. To my mind, this post tests a new low. The implication is that Jews are a disloyal, treasonous fifth column wherever they reside.Jews are almost always productive, active, contributing members of the community, who give far more than they take. I am proud to be American, and proud to be Jewish. I am proud that my country gave me the opportunity and the protection to be both Jewish and American. The same tears fill my eyes when the anthem is sung as fills the eyes of a Midwesterner or Southerner. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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