ScottSA Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday the military fight in Iraq was "lost," triggering an angry backlash by Republicans who said the top Democrat had turned his back on the troops..."I can't begin to imagine how our troops in the field, who are risking their lives every day, are going to react when they get back to base and hear that the Democrat leader of the United States Senate has declared the war is lost," said Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. http://www.examiner.com/a-683849~Reid__U_S...tary_Fight.html Quote
guyser Posted April 19, 2007 Report Posted April 19, 2007 Outright traitors? I would think that the article does not need ones embellishment verging on hyperbole. I cannot see where Reid helped to overthrow his government, nor seriously injuring the US. But thats just me. Quote
ScottSA Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Posted April 19, 2007 Outright traitors? I would think that the article does not need ones embellishment verging on hyperbole. I cannot see where Reid helped to overthrow his government, nor seriously injuring the US. But thats just me. Seems to me that calling a war lost while it's still being fought is traitorous. And hyperbolic. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Outright traitors? I would think that the article does not need ones embellishment verging on hyperbole. I cannot see where Reid helped to overthrow his government, nor seriously injuring the US. But thats just me. Seems to me that calling a war lost while it's still being fought is traitorous. And hyperbolic. Yes but you are already on record as not being a lawyer. I saw he speach ths morning. He said something like, unless there is a change in course, the war is lost. Now whether his new course is the winner is certainly debatable. But the direction of the war, from the onset, was fatally flawed mainly from the over optimistic beliefs from the leadership that a post Saddam Iraq would be stable. And the delay in recognizing that they didn't have enough boots on the ground to enforce stability was only matched by the Defense Secretaries intransiance for sending more boots. The US has been floating all kinds of ideas recently, all of them essentially political as Reid suggests, that are geared twords establishing peace in Iraq. The problem is as always the strife between sectarian factions is so intense that disenagement will be a miracle. One idea floated was the partition of Iraq. I don't think anyone but the Kurds truly want that, and even then the Kurds are laying claim to large oil and gas fields that neither the Suni nor the Shia are willing to see lost. And while the majority of the fighters may lay down their arms against each other, it is doubtful that Al Qaeda in Iraq would comply because peace wouod be seen as defeat. But in essence, Reid is right. The war to bring Peace is lost. Surprise surprise. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Figleaf Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Outright traitors? I would think that the article does not need ones embellishment verging on hyperbole. I cannot see where Reid helped to overthrow his government, nor seriously injuring the US. But thats just me. Seems to me that calling a war lost while it's still being fought is traitorous. And hyperbolic. Calling someone a traitor for simply discussing an important public policy issue seems hyperbolic ... and defamatory. Quote
B. Max Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Hell ScottSA, they've been traitors for years. They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 I can't begin to imagine how our troops in the field, who are risking their lives every day, are going to react when they get back to base and hear that the Democrat leader of the United States Senate has declared the war is lost I would have thought the troops would be a lot more upset when they found out that they were lied to about weapons of mass destruction, or ties to al qaeda...but hey that's just a guess. Perhaps you should consider starting a thread about traitors in the bush administration? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
ScottSA Posted April 20, 2007 Author Report Posted April 20, 2007 I can't begin to imagine how our troops in the field, who are risking their lives every day, are going to react when they get back to base and hear that the Democrat leader of the United States Senate has declared the war is lost I would have thought the troops would be a lot more upset when they found out that they were lied to about weapons of mass destruction, or ties to al qaeda...but hey that's just a guess. Perhaps you should consider starting a thread about traitors in the bush administration? Well, you thought that I suppose because you actually believe it, even though you know it's not true. But you do bring up an interesting point. How is it that everyone who is actually there knows that the war is not in factr lost, but that the armchair critics here all know it is? Quote
BubberMiley Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Personally, I think the traitors are those who sent U.S. soldiers to war in order to ensure that crony corporations receive untendered billion-dollar contracts. Anyone trying to prevent any more of them dying unnecessarily is a patriot and a hero. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
gc1765 Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Well, you thought that I suppose because you actually believe it, even though you know it's not true. How do you know it's not true? How is it that armchair critics like yourself know how the soldiers feel? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Black Dog Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Seems to me that calling a war lost while it's still being fought is traitorous. And hyperbolic. Even if that were the case (and it is not) that doesn't make it untrue. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Hell ScottSA, they've been traitors for years. They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Oh yes.... right from the jaws!!! Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
B. Max Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Hell ScottSA, they've been traitors for years. They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Oh yes.... right from the jaws!!! Loose lips sinks ships. The left are the enemy from within. Quote
Figleaf Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Hell ScottSA, they've been traitors for years. They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If a U.S. political party is a traitor, it is the Republican party. Their legacy of presidents who hated and defied the constitution is undeniable. Nixon's election corruption. The Reagan/Bush Iran/Contra scam. And now GWB's wiretaps and religious campaigns. Quote
B. Max Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 If a U.S. political party is a traitor, it is the Republican party. Their legacy of presidents who hated and defied the constitution is undeniable. Nixon's election corruption. The Reagan/Bush Iran/Contra scam. And now GWB's wiretaps and religious campaigns. That has nothing to do with the constitution or treachery. On the other hand. Like Clinton himself said, the constitution is a obsticale to good government. Which is wrong. The constitution is an obstacle to tyrants like Clinton and the dems, who would sell the country out. Just like the left in this country who worship the cesspool of corruption. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Hell ScottSA, they've been traitors for years. They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. If a U.S. political party is a traitor, it is the Republican party. Their legacy of presidents who hated and defied the constitution is undeniable. Nixon's election corruption. The Reagan/Bush Iran/Contra scam. And now GWB's wiretaps and religious campaigns. If election corruption is a traitourous crime then I would suggest that neither party has much to be proud of. On top of that.......... Kennedy Election? Bay of Pigs Gulf of Tomkin? Spermgate Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted April 20, 2007 Report Posted April 20, 2007 Seems to me that calling a war lost while it's still being fought is traitorous. And hyperbolic. If they are traitors, that's a crime. They should be rounded up, tried and executed, don't you think? Or is that just a tad of hyperbole? Quote
Canadian Blue Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Does anybody else think that two certain poster's here seem a little bit to the right of Franco. If the Democrats are traitors than wouldn't they be tried and possibly executed for questioning whether a war is worth the cost. Well, you thought that I suppose because you actually believe it, even though you know it's not true. But you do bring up an interesting point. How is it that everyone who is actually there knows that the war is not in factr lost, but that the armchair critics here all know it is? Probably because of the high American deathcount and the daily suicide bomings and IED blasts. If you want victory in Iraq go right ahead and join the Marine Corps. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
B. Max Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 'Canadian Blue' date='Apr 21 2007, 03:39 AM' post='210509'] Probably because of the high American deathcount and the daily suicide bomings and IED blasts. It's not a high death count. The americans lost six times the total count in one day, on many occasions in their civil war. For a total of around 630,000 If you want victory in Iraq go right ahead and join the Marine Corps. Yeah while the white flag waving dems stab you in the back. Quote
margrace Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 'Canadian Blue' date='Apr 21 2007, 03:39 AM' post='210509']Probably because of the high American deathcount and the daily suicide bomings and IED blasts. It's not a high death count. The americans lost six times the total count in one day, on many occasions in their civil war. For a total of around 630,000 If you want victory in Iraq go right ahead and join the Marine Corps. Yeah while the white flag waving dems stab you in the back. Wasn't the civil war the stupidist war ever fought. There was a better way to get rid of slavery. Quote
B. Max Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 Wasn't the civil war the stupidist war ever fought. There was a better way to get rid of slavery. The civil war wasn't about slavery. It was about keeping the union together. Quote
Remiel Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 They are the experts at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It was Bush and the Republicans that placed victory in the jaws of defeat. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 It was Bush and the Republicans that placed victory in the jaws of defeat. No, it seems that Dems don't want to finish what was started...same as the NDP and Grits in Canada (Afghanistan). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
B. Max Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 It was Bush and the Republicans that placed victory in the jaws of defeat. No, it seems that Dems don't want to finish what was started...same as the NDP and Grits in Canada (Afghanistan). Exactly and they have been undermining the war effort like traitors and calling it free speech. Quote
Canadian Blue Posted April 21, 2007 Report Posted April 21, 2007 It's not a high death count. The americans lost six times the total count in one day, on many occasions in their civil war. For a total of around 630,000 Considering it was the 1800's, I think the standards have changed since we got into the 21st century. Yeah while the white flag waving dems stab you in the back. Stabbing soldiers in the back by wanting them to come home where they won't be killed by an IED. The only people who stabbed soldiers in the back were the ones who lied about the WMD's, and continuosly groaned about how easy it would be to turn Iraq into a western style democracy. Exactly and they have been undermining the war effort like traitors and calling it free speech. Kind of like those people during the Vietnam War, especially Ron Kovic. I still can't believe the totalitarian ideology being spewed on here. Somehow if you question a war you are now a traitor. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
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