Prisoner Treatment - Western Hypocrisy

[Figleaf]

I doubt it. Why don't you stick to things you actually know, rather than making yourself look silly by spouting inanities ... OH, wait, if you did that, you'd never get to post at all.

Reported.

Oh yes? So what for?

[DogOnPorch]

It's really great how you can joke about extra-judicial torture of U.S. citizens and the sexual abuse of minors.

Class. That's what you've got -- Real class.

I care not what you think. I'll say again that B_Cat posted that stupid staged video like it was the way all prisoners are treated in Iran. I call BS. You might recall a Canadian-Iranian journalist's trip through an Iranian prison. They raped her. Beat her. Then they killed her. No Americans in sight.

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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

---Homer Simpson

[leonardcohen]

Hypocrites are everywhere,why are western hypocrisies the only

ones that are seized upon by certain people to prove a point?

The point being that with all our high flung ideals such as democracy,

freedom of religion and tolerance that we shouldn't preach to others

about how to conduct ourselves,

because that there are those among us who don't always act in a way

that reflects who we say we are.

There is that behaviour in all aspects of our daily life,it is easy to spot

in people you know,your spouse,family,friends,your workplace,

easier to criticise somebody,eager even,

until you remember that just yesterday you were guilty

of that same offence,'conscience doth make cowards of us all',

It must be a great burden to be so perfect that you can point out

other persons or institutions or nations hypocrisies

and remain untouched by it all.. i don't envy that burden.

My point and i do have one is that you should be very circumspect

about whose whose behaviour you condemn as hypocritical,

can your behaviour stand the same scrutiny that you give others?

I'm sorry for the longwindedness.:}

[kuzadd]

It's really great how you can joke about extra-judicial torture of U.S. citizens and the sexual abuse of minors.

Class. That's what you've got -- Real class.

I care not what you think. I'll say again that B_Cat posted that stupid staged video like it was the way all prisoners are treated in Iran. I call BS. You might recall a Canadian-Iranian journalist's trip through an Iranian prison. They raped her. Beat her. Then they killed her. No Americans in sight.

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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

---Homer Simpson

Happens everyday in American prisons,( beatings and rapings) no Iranians present or in sight.

How is it you miss the point, the US holds NO moral high ground in prisoner treatment, so , don't point the finger and whine about it, cause it's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

The only people that believe that nonsense, are persons , who willingly turn a blind eye to there own evils, so they think they can point a finger at other's.

[bush_cheney2004]

Happens everyday in American prisons,( beatings and rapings) no Iranians present or in sight.

How is it you miss the point, the US holds NO moral high ground in prisoner treatment, so , don't point the finger and whine about it, cause it's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

The only people that believe that nonsense, are persons , who willingly turn a blind eye to there own evils, so they think they can point a finger at other's.

Oh, you mean like Canada does with documented human rights abuses (e.g. First Nations prisoners, women, child abuse in residential schools, etc., etc.)?

“The Committee is also seriously concerned about Canada’s treatment of women prisoners,” said Kim Pate of the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies. “They direct Canada to fully implement the recommendations of the Canadian Human Rights Commission and report back to them in one year. They stress the need to remove male staff from direct contact with women prisoners, to limit the use of segregation, and to establish immediately an independent external redress and adjudication body for federally sentenced prisoners. The implementation of these recommendations is key to remedying the current discriminatory treatment of women prisoners. Canada must act now.”

http://www.fafia-afai.org/en/node/64

Residential Schools Abuse in Canada:

In the 1990s, it was revealed that many students at residential schools were subjected to severe physical, psychological, and sexual abuse by teachers and school officials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_school

Moral High Ground my ass.

[kuzadd]

Happens everyday in American prisons,( beatings and rapings) no Iranians present or in sight.

How is it you miss the point, the US holds NO moral high ground in prisoner treatment, so , don't point the finger and whine about it, cause it's hypocrisy, plain and simple.

The only people that believe that nonsense, are persons , who willingly turn a blind eye to there own evils, so they think they can point a finger at other's.

Oh, you mean like Canada does with documented human rights abuses (e.g. First Nations prisoners, women, child abuse in residential schools, etc., etc.)?

“The Committee is also seriously concerned about Canada’s treatment of women prisoners,” said Kim Pate of the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies. “They direct Canada to fully implement the recommendations of the Canadian Human Rights Commission and report back to them in one year. They stress the need to remove male staff from direct contact with women prisoners, to limit the use of segregation, and to establish immediately an independent external redress and adjudication body for federally sentenced prisoners. The implementation of these recommendations is key to remedying the current discriminatory treatment of women prisoners. Canada must act now.”

http://www.fafia-afai.org/en/node/64

Residential Schools Abuse in Canada:

In the 1990s, it was revealed that many students at residential schools were subjected to severe physical, psychological, and sexual abuse by teachers and school officials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_school

Moral High Ground my ass.

no kidding!

in case you missed it, this all started out with a little video, showing US prisoner trtmt vs iranian.

live with it.

But thanks for demonstrating that it ain't just the US, it's Canada that holds no high ground on prisoner treatment either. You helped to solidify my contention even more so!!

[bush_cheney2004]

no kidding!

in case you missed it, this all started out with a little video, showing US prisoner trtmt vs iranian.

live with it.

But thanks for demonstrating that it ain't just the US, it's Canada that holds no high ground on prisoner treatment either. You helped to solidify my contention even more so!!

And in case you missed it, this ended with me blowing it right back into the faces of sanctimonious posers.

There is no moral high ground...get over it.

[kuzadd]

no kidding!

in case you missed it, this all started out with a little video, showing US prisoner trtmt vs iranian.

live with it.

But thanks for demonstrating that it ain't just the US, it's Canada that holds no high ground on prisoner treatment either. You helped to solidify my contention even more so!!

And in case you missed it, this ended with me blowing it right back into the faces of sanctimonious posers.

There is no moral high ground...get over it.

no kidding, but , do you hear me claiming the US holds that ?

and other parties/countries don't

good vs bad.

It's all BS, and I've already stated that.

You see it's other posters on this forum that make those claims verbatim, but not you, that the US and the West are righteous and good and true and godlike, and those vilified by the said righteous are bad. "evil-doers" like president Bush says.

But then you know there is no moral higher ground, and you KNOW it is BS, meant to fool the polyanna's and thanks so much for helping me with that.

But please plead your case to those who make the claims of superior western morality, "it ain't me babe, no, no , no it ain't me babe, it ain't me your looking for" Bob Dylan

[Army Guy]

So by have we decided there is NO moral high ground, when comparing prisons ...I'm just curious because if incarcerated and given the chioce of spending my time in a say ,Turkish,? middle eastern prison or a US or Canadian prison, i know my chioce it's a no brainer actually...Why is that, is it because there is degrees of moral ground, or the fact that one offers a much better condition, in which to spend time in....

[ScottSA]

So by have we decided there is NO moral high ground, when comparing prisons ...I'm just curious because if incarcerated and given the chioce of spending my time in a say ,Turkish,? middle eastern prison or a US or Canadian prison, i know my chioce it's a no brainer actually...Why is that, is it because there is degrees of moral ground, or the fact that one offers a much better condition, in which to spend time in....

Given my druthers, I'd rather be forced into a bumpile and have my Koran peed on than have my head sawn off with a paring knife. At least in the first instance I'd know that the perps will actually be tried, and not made heros of Islam like the perps in the second case.