Topaz Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 You only need one reason not to vote for Dion.He's a Liberal, and after three majority mandates and 13 years they didn't get it done. Why didn't they get done? The important thing they did, was the debt. Today, Harper wouldn't be on a spending spree if the Liberals didn't do this! When anyone says "13 years and they didn't get it done" just remember, they were majority governments, something Harper can only dream of. When they run down the 13 years they run down the majority of voters that kept there for 13 years! Before you bring up the scam, just remember also, today Liberals are NOT the same Liberals that this happen to, plus the fact all so far were from QUEBEC!! Quote
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 You only need one reason not to vote for Dion. He's a Liberal, and after three majority mandates and 13 years they didn't get it done. Why didn't they get done? The important thing they did, was the debt. Today, Harper wouldn't be on a spending spree if the Liberals didn't do this! Errrrr...no. The economy did this. Claiming the Liberals did it is like claiming Harper has a surplus because of Conservative success. And just so you know, the debt is still there in large part. All the self-congratulatory backslapping by the Liberals over the 90s was because they managed to stop spending more than they took in. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Personally, I am not a conservative but this minority conservatiove goverment, when I weigh their work has my support. I am personally not wanting an election because while this minority conservative government works for me, a majority conservative government might be just..too conservative. Let them govern for a while longer so I don't have to hold my nose and vote..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
munsinger Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Regarding the lowering of the debt.... It is quite ironic..... that GST revenues, the Free Trade Agreement, and a systematic pilfering of EU........made up a great deal of that reduction, whch led to Paul Martin being hailed as a financial genius...... And we all know the Liberal (official) position on the first two..... Quote
Michael Bluth Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Errrrr...no. The economy did this. Claiming the Liberals did it is like claiming Harper has a surplus because of Conservative success. And just so you know, the debt is still there in large part. All the self-congratulatory backslapping by the Liberals over the 90s was because they managed to stop spending more than they took in. The economic boom thanks to the regulatory cuts of the Mulroney era. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
newbie Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Errrrr...no. The economy did this. Claiming the Liberals did it is like claiming Harper has a surplus because of Conservative success. And just so you know, the debt is still there in large part. All the self-congratulatory backslapping by the Liberals over the 90s was because they managed to stop spending more than they took in. The economic boom thanks to the regulatory cuts of the Mulroney era. The electorate didn't seem to think so or they wouldn't have decimated the Conservatives in '93. Quote
Figleaf Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 There are some people who will hate SH no matter what. Unless he/she/it is in Calgary Southwest, anyway, he/she/it has no opportunity to vote for or against Stephen Harper. And those people will use the incredibly self-serving posts on Garth Turner's blog as a reason to start another Harper-bashing thread... How much do the tories pay you to clutter this forum with whinging that any criticism of Steve is 'bashing'? Quote
Figleaf Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Personally, I am not a conservative but this minority conservatiove goverment, when I weigh their work has my support. Really? What have they done that's good? Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Really? What have they done that's good? After one year as a minority government they've done as much as the LIberals have done with 3 majorities over a period of 13 years in power. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
gc1765 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 And those people will use the incredibly self-serving posts on Garth Turner's blog as a reason to start another Harper-bashing thread... How much do the tories pay you to clutter this forum with whinging that any criticism of Steve is 'bashing'? Is it just me, or does this poster seem *familiar*? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
ScottSA Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 Really? What have they done that's good? After one year as a minority government they've done as much as the LIberals have done with 3 majorities over a period of 13 years in power. That's not what figleaf wanted to hear. Figleaf wanted to hear: "arrrRgHHHHh run! tEh armaggedON tORIeS!!! But yeah, why that pesky years-long softwood problem is gone, Japanese reparations are over and done with, accountable government is now assured, the GST has been reduced after 13 years of Liberal promises to abolish it or reduce it, according to which day of the week they made the promise... Quote
Michael Bluth Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 How much do the tories pay you to clutter this forum with whinging that any criticism of Steve is 'bashing'? I didn't realize this was a forum in which anyone who doesn't criticize the Government is considered clutter... The economic boom thanks to the regulatory cuts of the Mulroney era. The electorate didn't seem to think so or they wouldn't have decimated the Conservatives in '93. Hmmm, interesting how a big part of that regulatory change was replacing the Manufacturing Sales Tax with the GST. That was part of the reason the Conservatives lost, wasn't it? Odd hwo the Liberals and NDP fought tooth and nail against a GST cut in 2006 while fighting tooth and nail against the GST in 1992. Seems to me they just want to fit for the sake of it. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 There are some people who will hate SH no matter what. Unless he/she/it is in Calgary Southwest, anyway, he/she/it has no opportunity to vote for or against Stephen Harper.And those people will use the incredibly self-serving posts on Garth Turner's blog as a reason to start another Harper-bashing thread... How much do the tories pay you to clutter this forum with whinging that any criticism of Steve is 'bashing'?The Tories were a party that went out of commission in or about 1835 in the UK. I have never received a shilling from them. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Figleaf Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Really? What have they done that's good? After one year as a minority government they've done as much as the LIberals have done with 3 majorities over a period of 13 years in power. "Really? What have they done that's good?" Quote
Figleaf Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Really? What have they done that's good? After one year as a minority government they've done as much as the LIberals have done with 3 majorities over a period of 13 years in power. That's not what figleaf wanted to hear. Figleaf wanted to hear: "arrrRgHHHHh run! tEh armaggedON tORIeS!!! Or just an actual answer to the question. But yeah, why that pesky years-long softwood problem is gone, Because the tories rolled over and gave up. So that doesn't count as good. Japanese reparations are over and done with, Did Steve do that? accountable government is now assured, Horsepucky. Harper's government is one of the most determinedly unaccountable governements in Canadian history. the GST has been reduced Okay, I'll give you that one. Quote
Figleaf Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 How much do the tories pay you to clutter this forum with whinging that any criticism of Steve is 'bashing'? I didn't realize this was a forum in which anyone who doesn't criticize the Government is considered clutter... Oh, no. Not ANYone. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 "Really? What have they done that's good?" They have restored faith in elected officials to spend our money in an honest and accountable manner. They have strenghted our criminal justice system. They have reduced the GST by one point. They have provided boosted the esprit de corps of our military. They have restored a tone of professionalism in our dealings with our most important trading and defence partner. They have proven that a minority Government can lead our country with purpose while focusing on a slect number of priorities no needed for waffling or dithering. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 They have proven that a minority Government can lead our country with purpose while focusing on a slect number of priorities no needed for waffling or dithering.Who ever heard of a Liberal government dithering? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 They have restored faith in elected officials to spend our money in an honest and accountable manner.They have strenghted our criminal justice system. They have reduced the GST by one point. They have provided boosted the esprit de corps of our military. They have restored a tone of professionalism in our dealings with our most important trading and defence partner. They have proven that a minority Government can lead our country with purpose while focusing on a slect number of priorities no needed for waffling or dithering. How do you feel about the fact that this "new" government is spending more than any other government in Canadian history? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
stignasty Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I only need one reason not to vote for Stephen Harper. I don't live in his riding. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Michael Bluth Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 How do you feel about the fact that this "new" government is spending more than any other government in Canadian history? By some measures. It's pretty easy in terms of absolute dollars. Just like Paul Martin did and Jean Chretien before him. As a percentage of GDP, this Government isn't even close to spending the most in Canadian history... Sure it's not a perfect Government but the best we have add for more than a decade. Definitely earned a majority. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 By some measures.It's pretty easy in terms of absolute dollars. Just like Paul Martin did and Jean Chretien before him. As a percentage of GDP, this Government isn't even close to spending the most in Canadian history... Sure it's not a perfect Government but the best we have add for more than a decade. Definitely earned a majority. Ok...let me rephrase my question: How do you feel about the fact that this "new" government is spending more, as a percentage of GDP, than the previous Liberal government? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Ok...let me rephrase my question: How do you feel about the fact that this "new" government is spending more, as a percentage of GDP, than the previous Liberal government? Do you have an exact figure for what they are spending as a percentage of GDP? I believe program expenditures is a little over 13% of GDP, let's call it 13.5%. Subtract the surplus, and the Conservatives are doing quite well. Easily better than the previous Liberal Government in 94-95, 95-96, 96-97, and 04-05. Here's a link to some of that pesky evidence. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Now that's cutting it close. I am quite sure they aren't spending more in this fiscal year than the Liberals did in each of their 13 years in power. Prove me wrong if you want to do the research. I'd bet a lot that I am right on that. GDP is up 2.8% from last year: Link Spending was up 8% from 2005 to 2006 and another 6% expected for 2007, according to Andrew Coyne: Link This is from the National Post (link above): "At various points in its 477 pages, the budget declares itself to be “historic.” It is that. With this budget -- including another 6% increase in spending, on top of last year’s 8% blowout -- Jim Flaherty officially becomes the biggest spending finance minister in the history of Canada. It’s true. The $200-billion in program spending Mr. Flaherty has budgeted for this year works out to about $5,800 for every man, woman and child in Canada. Even adjusting for inflation and increases in population, that’s more than Paul Martin spent in his frantic last hours. It is more than the Mulroney government spent in its last days. It is more than the Trudeau government spent in the depths of the early 1980s recession. All of these past benchmarks of out-of-control spending must now be retired. Jim Flaherty has outdone them all." Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 So I guess you agree about the percentage of GDP element? Hmmm, that same old Andrew Coyne article... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
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