DFCaper Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I think it may help Dion with his enviromental file to have such a strong ally. I doubt this will be a big deal by the time the election comes. I wouldn't be surprised that the NDP do the best by beating Mackay, as they were 2nd in the running.. Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
August1991 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Anyone know Nova Scotia politics? I was under the impression that May had no chance to defeat Mackay in Central Nova and that this deal with Dion was for a larger audience. The guy below argues, to the contrary, that May could win. Bear in mind that May is a transplanted American who has lived for many years in Cape Breton. I assume she knows her way around Nova Scotia. Even with the Liberals not running a candidate in Central Nova, there are many who question whether Green Party leader Elizabeth May can defeat Conservative incumbent Peter MacKay. People typically look at previous results and see the Greens so far back that they discount the possibility that May could actually win. People would be wise to re-think that position. I, for one, think it’s certainly possible for the Greens to win. Greg Morrow Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Anyone know Nova Scotia politics?I was under the impression that May had no chance to defeat Mackay in Central Nova and that this deal with Dion was for a larger audience. The guy below argues, to the contrary, that May could win. Bear in mind that May is a transplanted American who has lived for many years in Cape Breton. I assume she knows her way around Nova Scotia. Even with the Liberals not running a candidate in Central Nova, there are many who question whether Green Party leader Elizabeth May can defeat Conservative incumbent Peter MacKay. People typically look at previous results and see the Greens so far back that they discount the possibility that May could actually win. People would be wise to re-think that position. I, for one, think it’s certainly possible for the Greens to win. Greg Morrow Aren't you the guy that always complains about multiple threads? Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
Michael Bluth Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 One of the comments on the democratic space page is very shrewd. What is to stop a p.o.'d Liberal running as an independent? That would definitely help MacKay more than it would help May. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
August1991 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Aren't you the guy that always complains about multiple threads?No, I'm the poster who complains about people clicking on reply and repeating an entire previous post. Quote
Canuck E Stan Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 this thread couldn't be part of the "Elizabeth May running in Central Nova " thread? Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
August1991 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 this thread couldn't be part of the "Elizabeth May running in Central Nova " thread?Guilty as charged. Didn't see the other thread.Is it possible to merge threads? Delete them? Quote
betsy Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Why would Duffy bother mentioning his name....or an article written about him? Read the link about the Liberal Family Feud given by another poster.Uh... that's a tough one. Lemme think.Maybe because Duffy is a TV journalist and he likes dramatics? Whaddya think? As to the term "Liberal Family Feud", that comes from that wonder of political analysis: Pierre Bourque. ---- The Liberals had their family feud between Martin and Chretien. This is no family feud. He might be a Liberal supporter but I don't see him listed as staff for the Liberal party nor does he seem to be working for anyone in the party. His present job indicated he was private sector. He was one of the Liberals who was purged (for lack of a better word) before Dion came to the fore. But given the media attention this emails are getting now....given the "importance" being attached to this previously unheard of Heard...he is definitely being heard now! Lol. Politics is soap. What could be more poetic than that May-Dion affair being dubbed as the "Devil's Pact." By someone from the Liberal's own camp. "Devil" used to be the Liberal's tag for Harper. I guess the Liberals are getting Karma-tized. We wait to see what happens next....how the drama unfolds. How the media will dramatize this. Reid and Heard have both been invited to square off one another on tv. By Duffy. I'll be having my popcorn. Quote
Charles Anthony Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Is it possible to merge threads? Delete them?The request has been sent to Admin. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
betsy Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Who sez there is anything wrong with May talking with Dion? Or with Layton for that matter? Or with anyone she wishes to talk to? I assumed this: "After May denied there was any backroom deals (explaining and making it all seem so innocent and cute how Dion called her up)" meant that you thought there was something wrong with May and Dion and their "backroom deal". If that wasn't your intention, I apologize. If it was your intention, perhaps you could clarify the difference between May & Dion talking vs. Layton & Harper talking. I said there was nothing wrong about talking with Dion...or Layton...or even Harper....or whoever.... But she was not talking about ordinary "talks." She was trying to make light of...and desperately explaining about the "backroom DEAL." Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I didn't realize that there was a tradition of clearing the decks so the leader of a party that has NEVER elected an MP in Canadian history could win a seat in parliament. There is merit to this statement. Many parties have leaders and no seats. The parlimentary tradition has been awarded in the past to parties with seats in the house. That is the "tradition". I am not certain which parties throughout Canada's history have benefited from this practice. But certainly it is a Liberal/Conservative tradition. Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 She was trying to make light of...and desperately explaining about the "backroom DEAL." Do you think that Elizabeth May will be successful in deflecting attention away from her actions? Quote
betsy Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 She was trying to make light of...and desperately explaining about the "backroom DEAL." Do you think that Elizabeth May will be successful in deflecting attention away from her actions? No. The NDP alone will surely be adequate enough to make sure no one forgets about this. Quote
rover1 Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 Could May win in Central Nova? Not likely, as things now stand, in my view. Quote
madmax Posted April 16, 2007 Report Posted April 16, 2007 I did some quick calculations subtracting Each Parties Gain total from its loser total. According to this poll the big winner in this "deal" between the Liberals and the Greens are the Conservatives: 40.54% overall Positive Gain. No other party received an overall positive rating. The big loser according to this poll are the Liberals: 35.14% overall Net Loss. The NDP down 2.7% The Greens down 2.7% The Bloc and Other column, suggest no net gain or loss. So if this was Dions way of making the Liberals Stronger, it would appear to have failed. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I said there was nothing wrong about talking with Dion...or Layton...or even Harper....or whoever....But she was not talking about ordinary "talks." Yes, I'm certain that Layton and Harper are such good friends that Layton calls up Harper just to say hi and see how he is doing? How nice of him. Seriously though, why else would Layton be talking with Harper? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 Yes, I'm certain that Layton and Harper are such good friends that Layton calls up Harper just to say hi and see how he is doing? How nice of him. Seriously though, why else would Layton be talking with Harper? To find areas of common ground where the two parties can work together in the House of Commons. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I did some quick calculations subtracting Each Parties Gain total from its loser total.According to this poll the big winner in this "deal" between the Liberals and the Greens are the Conservatives: 40.54% overall Positive Gain. No other party received an overall positive rating. The big loser according to this poll are the Liberals: 35.14% overall Net Loss. The NDP down 2.7% The Greens down 2.7% The Bloc and Other column, suggest no net gain or loss. So if this was Dions way of making the Liberals Stronger, it would appear to have failed. And obviously this is the only factor involved.... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Canuck E Stan Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 The deal is begining to take it's toll. May loses strategist because of deal Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 To find areas of common ground where the two parties can work together in the House of Commons. In other words, to negotiate? aka backroom deal? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 In other words, to negotiate? aka backroom deal? I thought it was May complaining about backroom deals as she agreed to one with Dion... Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
ScottSA Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I think all the talk about "backroom deals" is irrelevant. It's part of politics. The only time it becomes an affront to the voters is when something like Meech takes place, affecting everyone in Canada. There was a "backroom deal" between Belinda and Martin, Emerson and Harper, and now Dion and May. So what? The real issue is 1) whether or not it's a wise political move on Dion's part, and 2 ) if not, how does it reflect on Dion as a strategist? The answers appear to be 1 ) "no" and 2 ) "poorly" in that order. Not only has Dion lost points with the electorate, but he's almost certain to have lost points within his party, although that can't be proved...yet. Another, and perhaps ultimately more damaging result of his actions, is that he is painting himself into a corner on the environment. He is making himself appear to be a single issue candidate. Quote
gc1765 Posted April 17, 2007 Report Posted April 17, 2007 I thought it was May complaining about backroom deals as she agreed to one with Dion... No, Layton was complaining about May & Dion's backroom deal. May basically called him a hypocrite for being critical of their "backroom deal" while having his own backroom deals with Harper. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I did some quick calculations subtracting Each Parties Gain total from its loser total. According to this poll the big winner in this "deal" between the Liberals and the Greens are the Conservatives: 40.54% overall Positive Gain. No other party received an overall positive rating. The big loser according to this poll are the Liberals: 35.14% overall Net Loss. The NDP down 2.7% The Greens down 2.7% The Bloc and Other column, suggest no net gain or loss. So if this was Dions way of making the Liberals Stronger, it would appear to have failed. And obviously this is the only factor involved.... No. According to this poll, where anybody can vote online for the fun of it. Quote
madmax Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I thought it was May complaining about backroom deals as she agreed to one with Dion... No, Layton was complaining about May & Dion's backroom deal. May basically called him a hypocrite for being critical of their "backroom deal" while having his own backroom deals with Harper. IF I recall correctly. Ed Broadbent identified it as a backroom deal. Elizabeth May, not getting the response she wanted, tried to get Stephen Lewis's co-operation to have Jack come around to her logic. The deal with Dion was a backroom deal. Jack Layton pointed out the obvious. May then went on to claim that Jack Layton was initiating backroom deals with Stephen Harper while she was being questioned about her character. Elizabeth May as far as I am aware has not provided any proof and is using her comments to smear Harper and Layton with the same Brush as Dion and herself. So in those many rare moments which come along in this forum, I am going to back the statement above of Michael Bluth. Quote
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