jbg Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 The Democrat system seems rather undemocratic with Super delegate votes not being made on who actually won the primary, but who's offering them the best deal, or who the delegate thinks might beat McCain, or what colour or sex the candidate should be.The super delegates serve to functions:As a firewall against totally unelectable candidates such as George McGovern and Barack Obama; and To curb the alienation, from the party, of those who have built it over the years. The mayors, governors, and other elected officials who have put blood, sweat and tears into building the party have not enjoyed being unceremoniously thrust aside. This gives the parties' important people a voice they should and must have. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Despite being a front runner, Obama can't draw the votes in the mainstream, core Blue States. If this were an odd case here or there, then I'd say that it's an aberration. But look at the maps. It's consistent with a few exceptions (eg. Wisconsin).Brilliant.That's why I made the comparison to letting Tory delegates from Quebec choose Belinda Stronach as leader in 2004. (They almost did and it would have been a disaster for the Conservatives.)But didn't the PCPC before the 1984 election do exactly that when Mulroney deluged the Winnipeg convention witih Quebec delegates, jetted in at G-d knows who's expense?This has all the makings of a political train wreck. True, smart people will now gravitate to Obama and keep him from making serious blunders. He has a natural talent to speak in public. Yet I still see this as a speeding train, a washed out bridge and you just know that when the scene comes, it'll be filmed in slow motion from several angles.Exactly why I keep comparing an Obama candidacy to the McGovern 1972 race. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 My point was that the base may have voted for Hillary in the primaries but that doesn't mean that, once she's gone, they'll turn out for four more years of Bush. Only die-hard GOP and Lieberman Republicans like jbg are voting for McCain. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 My point was that the base may have voted for Hillary in the primaries but that doesn't mean that, once she's gone, they'll turn out for four more years of Bush. Only die-hard GOP and Lieberman Republicans like jbg are voting for McCain. The majority of voters haven't even been heard yet....Senator McCain will get his share of independents too. Americans are very familiar with recent landslide victories for Republicans....Democrats...not so much. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 The majority of voters haven't even been heard yet....Senator McCain will get his share of independents too. Americans are very familiar with recent landslide victories for Republicans....Democrats...not so much. What recent landslide victories are you talking about? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 What recent landslide victories are you talking about? Post WW2 - Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan (x2), & Bush vs. Johnson & Clinton. Advantage Republicans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
BubberMiley Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Post WW2 - Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan (x2), & Bush vs. Johnson & Clinton. Advantage Republicans. Brush up on your history. You forgot Carter and Kennedy. But the Republicans haven't enjoyed anything anyone would call a landslide since 1984. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Brush up on your history. You forgot Carter and Kennedy.But the Republicans haven't enjoyed anything anyone would call a landslide since 1984. False....Carter and Kennedy were not landslide victories. George Bush senior defeated Mike Dukakis in a landslide victory (1988). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
HisSelf Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 Not surprising to see the biggest supporters of Israel here attack Obama. After all, isn't Hillary from New York? Hasn't Obama said he would actually talk to Iran, Hamas and Hesbollah... as opposed to the policy of losers like Bush and Cheney who just cross their arms and turn their backs? Hillary is just more of the same. America has done one hell of a lot for Israel. What the hell has Israel done for America? America is ready to talk turkey, which is a little different than behaving like a turkey. It is high time America decided to engage. Only an idiot would think that it still has options. It no longer has options. Think India. Think China. Think Russia. This is Realpolitik today. Iran has just announced that it will no longer quote its oil in US dollars. This is your wake-up call. Be there or be square. Na-noo, na-noo. Quote ...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2008 Report Posted May 8, 2008 (edited) Not surprising to see the biggest supporters of Israel here attack Obama. After all, isn't Hillary from New York? Hasn't Obama said he would actually talk to Iran, Hamas and Hesbollah... as opposed to the policy of losers like Bush and Cheney who just cross their arms and turn their backs? Hillary is just more of the same. America has done one hell of a lot for Israel. What the hell has Israel done for America? Israel represents the longest and strongest democracy in the Middle East, and has supported US interests in the region, particularly during the Cold War, through today, in good times and bad. President Reagan in 1979: "The fall of Iran has increased Israel's value as perhaps the only strategic asset in the region on which the United States can rely. . . . Israel's strength derives from the reality that her affinity with the West is not dependent on the survival of an autocratic or capricious ruler. Israel has the democratic will, national cohesion, technological capacity and military fiber to stand forth as America's trusted ally."1 http://www.meforum.org/article/259 What the hell has Iran/Hezbollah done for America? How about truck bombing US/French peacekeeping forces in Beirut (1983). HAPPY BIRTHDAY ISRAEL America is ready to talk turkey, which is a little different than behaving like a turkey. Teddy Roosevelt: "Speak softly and carry a big stick." http://navysite.de/cvn/cvn71.jpg It is high time America decided to engage. Only an idiot would think that it still has options. It no longer has options. Think India. Think China. Think Russia. This is Realpolitik today. Iran has just announced that it will no longer quote its oil in US dollars. This is your wake-up call. Be there or be square. Na-noo, na-noo. America is engaged.....not much news about China or India or Russia (or Canada) in the region. Edited May 8, 2008 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) My point was that the base may have voted for Hillary in the primaries but that doesn't mean that, once she's gone, they'll turn out for four more years of Bush. Only die-hard GOP and Lieberman Republicans like jbg are voting for McCain. I am not any kind of Republican. Putting Barack Hussein Osama Obama in the White House is like putting Parizou (sp) or Rene Levesque in 24 Sussex.1 1Edited to fix spelling error. Edited May 10, 2008 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Hasn't Obama said he would actually talk to Iran, Hamas and Hesbollah... as opposed to the policy of losers like Bush and Cheney who just cross their arms and turn their backs? Hillary is just more of the same. America has done one hell of a lot for Israel. What the hell has Israel done for America?Carter didn't accomplish much by talking to Iran in 1979 and North Korea in 1994. Why should now be any different? The mullahs' goal is to tolerate Christianity and Judaism under dhimmitude, or acknowledged subservience to Islam. Any discussion begins and ends with dhimmitude. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
August1991 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 I am not any kind of Republican. Putting Barack Hussein Osama Obama in the White House is like puttingi Parizou (sp) or Rene Levesque in 24 Sussex.The Americans defeated Hitler under a President named Roosevelt and a General named Eisenhower. Quote
BubberMiley Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 (edited) I am not any kind of Republican. Other than a voting one. But don't you think it's kind of a cheap smear to compare a presidential candidate to a vile terrorist because of a similarity in the spelling of their names? Geez, if you conservatives whine when they call Harper "Steve", I think calling Obama "Osama" is a little beyond the pale. But I wouldn't expect less from a Republican in the era of Karl Rove. Edited May 10, 2008 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Other than a voting one.As you know from the publication of my voting record I split my votes. I am a Democrat by birth and conviction.But don't you think it's kind of a cheap smear to compare a presidential candidate to a vile terrorist because of a similarity in the spelling of their names?Geez, if you conservatives whine when they call Harper "Steve", I think calling Obama "Osama" is a little beyond the pale. But I wouldn't expect less from a Republican in the era of Karl Rove. Actually, I was emphasizing that he was and is not Osama by setting out his name that way. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 The Americans defeated Hitler under a President named Roosevelt and a General named Eisenhower. I'm not quite sure I understand. At the time the Democratic Party was fully patriotic. The front-runner and presumptive nominee now is not a patriot. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
BubberMiley Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 I'm not quite sure I understand. At the time the Democratic Party was fully patriotic. The front-runner and presumptive nominee now is not a patriot. What do you base that on? People he's share a room with or his occasional lack of a flag pin on his lapel? Because he has otherwise made clear that he is a patriot. Personally, I think someone who would compare his leaders to terrorists is worse than lacking patriotism. And someone who doesn't display an honesty of his convictions by identifying the party he supports and votes for is a liar. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
August1991 Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 I'm not quite sure I understand. At the time the Democratic Party was fully patriotic. The front-runner and presumptive nominee now is not a patriot.I agree but the patriotism of the Democratic party is a completely different issue from the name and origin of a candidate.One of the great things about the US is that no one cares what your father did for a living. Quote
BubberMiley Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 One of the great things about the US is that no one cares what your father did for a living. Just ask millworker's son John Edwards. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Oleg Bach Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Just ask millworker's son John Edwards. Apparently no one cared what the grandfather Prescot Bush did for a living either! Selling weapons to the Nazis and making a million bucks and installing not one but two presidents. America can be very stinky. Quote
jbg Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 Apparently no one cared what the grandfather Prescot Bush did for a living either! Selling weapons to the Nazis and making a million bucks and installing not one but two presidents. America can be very stinky. His grandson is one of the biggest supporters Israel has ever had. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
HisSelf Posted May 10, 2008 Report Posted May 10, 2008 I am not any kind of Republican. Putting Barack Hussein Osama Obama in the White House is like putting Parizou (sp) or Rene Levesque in 24 Sussex.11Edited to fix spelling error. Wow. Because he has Muslim roots? Oh wow. And you are the one throwing the racism spitball all over this forum. Dude, you are caught out. Quote ...
jbg Posted May 11, 2008 Report Posted May 11, 2008 Wow. Because he has Muslim roots? Oh wow. And you are the one throwing the racism spitball all over this forum. Dude, you are caught out.By crossing out I was emphasizing that he is not the same. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted May 11, 2008 Report Posted May 11, 2008 Wow. Because he has Muslim roots? Oh wow. And you are the one throwing the racism spitball all over this forum. Dude, you are caught out. It's okay. McCain's middle name is Sidney which is a contraction of Saint Denis which is French which means that McCain has links to the French. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 11, 2008 Report Posted May 11, 2008 It's okay. McCain's middle name is Sidney which is a contraction of Saint Denis which is French which means that McCain has links to the French. So did the Marquis de Lafayette and Benjamin Franklin....so what? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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