U.S. Presidential Elections 2008

[bush_cheney2004]

When Canada doesn't play ball with the U.S. they slap unreasonable tarifs on our exports, lumber, beef, etc. Free Trade? Ya sure!! I reside in a community that relies solely on logging and I witnessed first hand, the negative impact this had on the citizens in our communities here. That is just a teensy weensy example as to why I watch closely.

And Canada had it's hands slapped for unfair trade practices involving dairy (New Zealand), aircraft (Brazil), wheat, etc. Are your "citizens" more deserving of unfair stumpage fee advantages compared to American logging communiites?

Even though we've suffered, I've never yet spoken to a Canadian, in my neck of the woods, who has any regrets about our Government taking a stand to stay out of Iraq. I guess up here, the lives of young men and women, as well as the individual freedom that other nations wish to maintain for themselves, is more important to us, than it is to some Americans.

I guess...but that wouldn't explain Canada bombing and starving Iraqis to death, bombing Serbs, invading Haiti, "peacekilling" in the Balkans, or killing Afghans half way around the world. Maybe you think nobody notices that.

Edited March 12, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[Carinthia]

I guess...but that wouldn't explain Canada bombing and starving Iraqis to death, bombing Serbs, invading Haiti, "peacekilling" in the Balkans, or killing Afghans half way around the world. Maybe you think nobody notices that.

Yes, you are right here BC. I will say though, that Canada's involvement in these wars was not entirely based on a blatent pack of lies, just for oil.

[UShaditComing]

Yes, you are right here BC. I will say though, that Canada's involvement in these wars was not entirely based on a blatent pack of lies, just for oil.

Come on dear, we have lots of it. Canada's participation is obviously to pacify the US in Afghanistan and we don't participate in the phoney Iraq war for oil.

[bush_cheney2004]

Come on dear, we have lots of it. Canada's participation is obviously to pacify the US in Afghanistan and we don't participate in the phoney Iraq war for oil.

No, but Canadian oil services contracts were coveted by your government. Even as coalition forces did the dying, PM Martin begged for a piece of the action. Bush tossed him a bone....Canadian firms are working the Himrin Fields outside Kirkuk, just like Canadian firms work in Saudi, Kuwait, and Dubai.

But shhhhh...I won't tell anybody.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, you are right here BC. I will say though, that Canada's involvement in these wars was not entirely based on a blatent pack of lies, just for oil.

Oh, I'm sure the dead corpses take great comfort in that....at least as much as you do.

Not much oil in Haiti, eh?

Edited March 12, 2008 by bush_cheney2004

[UShaditComing]

No, but Canadian oil services contracts were coveted by your government. Even as coalition forces did the dying, PM Martin begged for a piece of the action. Bush tossed him a bone....Canadian firms are working the Himrin Fields outside Kirkuk, just like Canadian firms work in Saudi, Kuwait, and Dubai.

But shhhhh...I won't tell anybody.

No need to keep any secrets to spare the feelings of this Canadian. I have never tried to defend my country when it didn't deserve defending. You think I'm American or something???

[bush_cheney2004]

No need to keep any secrets to spare the feelings of this Canadian. I have never tried to defend my country when it didn't deserve defending. You think I'm American or something???

Then where are your hate filled, they "Had It Coming" threads about Canada? Are you only an expert when dead Americans "Had It Coming"?

[UShaditComing]

Then where are your hate filled, they "Had It Coming" threads about Canada? Are you only an expert when dead Americans "Had It Coming"?

Do you have any examples for me when Canadians deserved to die? I can think of the Somalia affair where Canadian airborne troops killed people and weren't duly punished.

[bush_cheney2004]

Do you have any examples for me when Canadians deserved to die? I can think of the Somalia affair where Canadian airborne troops killed people and weren't duly punished.

See how easy that was? Please post the "Canada Had It Coming" thread at once. It's your specialty. Then you can franchise the line with United Kingdom, Spain, France, Russia, Italy, Poland, and Japan. They all "Had It Coming"!!!

[hillary4pres]

Barack Obama is a lie.

He criticizes Hillary 4 not admitting that she voted in favour of the war. However, he has also voted to keep the war which his campaign isn't making very public.

Barack Obama does NOT care about the middle class rural folk. If you take a look at the voting history, Obama only wins the vote of the big cities and Hillary drastically wins the rural vote because she actually cares about them.

If you look at the voting history, Barack's support is a huge number of black people and this is why he sometimes wins-- because of racism against hillary and women.

If you took a look at Obama's voting history, he's barely gotten anything past in his entire life and he is not ready to run a country let alone his own business.

Barack's supporters don't even really support him. 45% of his voters don't care who gets the nomination...they would be happy with Hillary.

Hillary Clinton is a vision for the United States of America. She has survived attacks by the media, Obama's campaign and republicans. She has kept her head held high throughout this process with dignity. She even gave Obama his first job, but he is willing to throw her under the bus.

Obama's campaign has been nothing but a lie. It has attacked, defended when attacked and lied throughout this whole campaign.

Let's not allow this lie to take over your country. Barack Obama is no better than John McCain or George W. Bush. Take a stand against this farce and make the wise decision.

VOTE for HILLARY! Let's make history! Let's make the right choice!

[WestViking]

Who declared it was comedy hour?

[BubberMiley]

VOTE for HILLARY! Let's make history! Let's make the right choice!

Five posts in total and four are exactly the same. Isn't there a rule against that?

[bush_cheney2004]

...VOTE for HILLARY! Let's make history! Let's make the right choice!

Can't we "make history" by voting for Senator Barack Obama? Senator Clinton certainly would be the "right" leaning choice for Democrats.

[jbg]

Can't we "make history" by voting for Senator Barack Obama? Senator Clinton certainly would be the "right" leaning choice for Democrats.

Both also totally unelectable.

[BubberMiley]

Both also totally unelectable.

McCain isn't electable either, with his temper and scandal and adultery and liberal positions and cancer and age and pro-abortioning and pro-immigration and lack of economic knowledge in a recession and running as though it's Bush's third term and the drug-stealing wife who dated him while he was still married... I guess nobody gets elected.

[jbg]

McCain isn't electable either, with his temper and scandal and adultery and liberal positions and cancer and age and pro-abortioning and pro-immigration and lack of economic knowledge in a recession and running as though it's Bush's third term and the drug-stealing wife who dated him while he was still married... I guess nobody gets elected.

And since that's not a possible outcome, my bet is McCain gets the election as well as likely my vote (unless Obama fills in the blanks in his position in some remotely satisfactory way, since I prefer, being a left-winger, to vote democratic).

[August1991]

McCain isn't electable either, with his temper and scandal and adultery and liberal positions and cancer and age and pro-abortioning and pro-immigration and lack of economic knowledge in a recession and running as though it's Bush's third term and the drug-stealing wife who dated him while he was still married... I guess nobody gets elected.

McCain is perfectly electable. (Look at past presidents for proof - temper, scandal, adultery etc.)

Why will McCain win? Not because he's electable - although he is, war hero and all. So, why will McCain win? Look at the opposition: Hillary or Obama. They're both Goldwater, McGovern material. With identity politics, the Dems are committing suicide and the Democratic base is oblivious.

If you understand anything of American politics, the 2008 Democratic race is a combination of 1968 and 1972. It's almost sad to watch. There's the confusion of 1968 and the naivety of 1972. Whether confusion or naivety, McCain is on the winning side.

The future? 2008 is the next-to-last gasp of the boomers. In 2012, they'll linger and then in 2016, the limousine liberals won't matter. The Barbara Streisands and Woody Allens will be dead.

Edited March 15, 2008 by August1991

[Dog]

Hilary will be crushed in the general election for two main reasons . 1, she has 50 % of the country that hates the sight of her before she ever opens her mouth . 2, The amount of resentment she has built from the Obama side of the party in this long primary season is unprecedented . Obama now has his own very large problems with the Jeremiah Wright videos coming out . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM . Obama cannot distance himself from his 20 year association with this nut job as hard as he tries . With two or three such videos out now and rumors of several more including one that shows Obama in attendance it would seem to be over for Senator Hope and Change as well .

Edited March 15, 2008 by Dog

[scribblet]

Hilary will be crushed in the general election for two main reasons . 1, she has 50 % of the country that hates the sight of her before she ever opens her mouth . 2, The amount of resentment she has built from the Obama side of the party in this long primary season is unprecedented . Obama now has his own very large problems with the Jeremiah Wright videos coming out . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM . Obama cannot distance himself from his 20 year association with this nut job as hard as he tries . With two or three such videos out now and rumors of several more including one that shows Obama in attendance it would seem to be over for Senator Hope and Change as well .

He's trying to, and has repudiated those statements, he says he wasn't at those meetings.

It is hard to believe though, that Obama wasn't aware of this pastor's views, my goodness, he (the Pastor) actually believes that Aids is white man's virus designed to kill blacks.. This could undermine Obama, as America seemed to be ready for a black president, but not one who appears to have condoned the type of hatred from his Pastor; not sure they are ready to embrace a wife who comes across as angry and bitter, while she has attained education and privilege, other people only long for.

Funny thing how most of the left wing media are refusing to show the clips or even talk about it, another example of how Obama is being given kid glove treatment.

As for Hillary, I don't understand why so many people do hate her - why ?

[BubberMiley]

As for Hillary, I don't understand why so many people do hate her - why ?

Some people dislike uppity women even more than uppity blacks.

[Guest American Woman]

He's trying to, and has repudiated those statements, he says he wasn't at those meetings.

It is hard to believe though, that Obama wasn't aware of this pastor's views, my goodness, he (the Pastor) actually believes that Aids is white man's virus designed to kill blacks.. This could undermine Obama, as America seemed to be ready for a black president, but not one who appears to have condoned the type of hatred from his Pastor; not sure they are ready to embrace a wife who comes across as angry and bitter, while she has attained education and privilege, other people only long for.

Funny thing how most of the left wing media are refusing to show the clips or even talk about it, another example of how Obama is being given kid glove treatment.

I think these things are going to end up hurting Obama. Michigan is in the process of approving a new primary, and I think Florida is trying to work one out too. Coming late in the primary election, it may be affected by different issues than the early primaries. This could be a biggie for Obama. He says he doesn't agree with the pastor, but he still says the pastor is like an uncle to him. That may not sit right with some voters in light of his views.

As for Hillary, I don't understand why so many people do hate her - why ?

I think it is because she's a woman. Women in power still have a difficult time of it. If she's strong, she's an uncaring bitch. If she shows emotion, she's a blubbering female. I think the Republicans, especially, hate her and I think their vocalization of it gives the impression that she's more hated than she actually is.

Obama isn't "loved by all" the way some seem to think he is. He and Hillary are running neck-to-neck. I won't be surprised if she wins in spite of those who think Obama has it wrapped up. Personally, I'd like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. Clinton has more experience so this would give Obama more, and then after 8 years of Hillary, we could go into eight years of Obama. Sixteen years of Democrats in the White House would go a long way torwards helping wipe out the legacy of Bush/Cheney et al.

[BubberMiley]

Funny thing how most of the left wing media are refusing to show the clips or even talk about it, another example of how Obama is being given kid glove treatment.

Funny thing how your "left-wing" MSM has left you completely unaware of McCain's active solicitation of John Hagee's endorsement, even though Hagee has said far worse things than Wright, like Katrina was God's wrath against New Orleans, that the Catholics cooperated with Hitler in exterminating the Jews, that we need to start bombing Iran now (cue Beach Boys), and who said that God will send terrorists to attack the U.S. because it supports a two-state solution in Israel.

[sharkman]

Funny thing how your "left-wing" MSM has left you completely unaware of McCain's active solicitation of John Hagee's endorsement, even though Hagee has said far worse things than Wright, like Katrina was God's wrath against New Orleans, that the Catholics cooperated with Hitler in exterminating the Jews, that we need to start bombing Iran now (cue Beach Boys), and who said that God will send terrorists to attack the U.S. because it supports a two-state solution in Israel.

I may have missed that, is there any links showing actual proof that McCain sought Hagee's endorsement?

At any rate, it certainly isn't the same thing as being a member of his church for over 20 years as Obama and the church he attends.

[BubberMiley]

I may have missed that, is there any links showing actual proof that McCain sought Hagee's endorsement?

At any rate, it certainly isn't the same thing as being a member of his church for over 20 years as Obama and the church he attends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA

But Obama repudiated what Wright said. McCain has yet to "reject and denounce" Hagee.

[jbg]

I think it is because she's a woman. Women in power still have a difficult time of it. If she's strong, she's an uncaring bitch. If she shows emotion, she's a blubbering female. I think the Republicans, especially, hate her and I think their vocalization of it gives the impression that she's more hated than she actually is.

I think it's because she's seen as an enabler for her husband, and yet she lacks her husband's charisma, his "teflon" character. She isn't slick like "Slick Willie" so isn't forgiven for her failings, such as Travelgate (which showed her meanness and pettiness) or the Rose Law Firm billing records debacle.

Obama isn't "loved by all" the way some seem to think he is. He and Hillary are running neck-to-neck. I won't be surprised if she wins in spite of those who think Obama has it wrapped up. Personally, I'd like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. Clinton has more experience so this would give Obama more, and then after 8 years of Hillary, we could go into eight years of Obama. Sixteen years of Democrats in the White House would go a long way torwards helping wipe out the legacy of Bush/Cheney et al.

Touble with a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket is that it would rub the whitebread majority's nose in the Democrats' marginalization of their role. The US is still by and large a conservative, WASPish country, and sidelining people with traditional standing will stampede many to vote for McCain, as imperfect as he is.