Bush says Iran is source of Deadly Bombs

[Leafless]

"Mr. Bush said it had been established beyond a doubt that a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps known as the Quds Force is supplying Shiite groups inside Iraq with particularly deadly, Iranian-designed weapons known as explosively formed penetrators, or E.F.P.s."

"“I intend to do something about it,” Mr. Bush said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/14/world/mi...artner=homepage

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Could this indicate the beginning of a war with Iran?

[Catchme]

well, Bush says does? Just like he said so about Iraq, and lied then too.

He and those backing him are an example of sociopathic insanity at its finest, wanting to destroy a innocent country and peoples for greed and power.

sham shame shame and we canadians wille shamed too if they go forward and act upon their lies.

[B. Max]

"Mr. Bush said it had been established beyond a doubt that a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps known as the Quds Force is supplying Shiite groups inside Iraq with particularly deadly, Iranian-designed weapons known as explosively formed penetrators, or E.F.P.s."

"“I intend to do something about it,” Mr. Bush said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/14/world/mi...artner=homepage

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Could this indicate the beginning of a war with Iran?

It's about time. They've been operating with the gloves on now for at least two years and results are the proof it hasn't worked. Now the gloves are off. They are now going after the trouble makers inside Iraq and out. It was reported the other night on Lars Larson that special forces are already now operating inside Iran. Taking out those supplying the arms to Iraq insurgents and organizing opposition groups to the Iran government. Another carrier group was moved to the area a couple of weeks ago and is another component of the new strategy that is long over due.

[Black Dog]

It's about time. They've been operating with the gloves on now for at least two years and results are the proof it hasn't worked. Now the gloves are off. They are now going after the trouble makers inside Iraq and out. It was reported the other night on Lars Larson that special forces are already now operating inside Iran. Taking out those supplying the arms to Iraq insurgents and organizing opposition groups to the Iran government. Another carrier group was moved to the area a couple of weeks ago and is another component of the new strategy that is long over due.

The flight forward begins. The Bush admin is like a gambler so deep in the hole he has to double down on every hand. Except the consequenses of this latest bout of insanity will be far more serious for the world. In Iraq, the U.S. administration and its armed forces have shown that they are woefully unprepared to deal with the reailities of asymetrical warfare in the 21st Century. And now they want to expand the conflict? Madness. Pure madness.

As a Canadian, this headlong rush to war with Iran is troubling because of our country's committment to Afghanistan. The resources the U.S. is directing to sinking themselves deeper into the quagmire could be directed to th emultinational effort there. Meanwhile, a unilateral attack on Iran would further alienate our other allies an dmake them even lesss disposed towards helping the NATO mission out.

[B. Max]

The flight forward begins. The Bush admin is like a gambler so deep in the hole he has to double down on every hand. Except the consequenses of this latest bout of insanity will be far more serious for the world. In Iraq, the U.S. administration and its armed forces have shown that they are woefully unprepared to deal with the reailities of asymetrical warfare in the 21st Century. And now they want to expand the conflict? Madness. Pure madness.

The Clinton appeasement years lead to 911. Appeasement doesn't work, that is a proven fact. There has not been an attack in north America since Bush disrupted the international terrorist connections and has been taking the fight to the terrorists. Not until these Islamic butchers are cornered and then dispatched can we stop.

[Catchme]

Funny, it is Sunnis who are causing the problems in Iraq NOT Shia, Iran is Shia NOT Sunnis.

Appeasement? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

The only murdering butchers are those who are launching invasions of countries for greed and power based upon their lies and quite obvious continuing lies, and those that support the lies and heinous autrocities that are occuring based upon lies.

[Black Dog]

The Clinton appeasement years lead to 911. Appeasement doesn't work, that is a proven fact.

Clearly, the Bush administration disagrees.

North Korea agreed today to close its main nuclear reactor in exchange for a package of food, fuel and other aid from the United States, China, South Korea and Russia.

Or, as one politician who would know about such things once said:

Appeasement in itself may be good or bad according to the circumstances. Appeasement from weakness and fear is alike futile and fatal. Appeasement from strength is magnanimous and noble, and might be the surest and only path to world peace.

- Churchill

There has not been an attack in north America since Bush disrupted the international terrorist connections and has been taking the fight to the terrorists.

Homer: Ah, not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm!

Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.

Homer: Thank you, honey.

Lisa: By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away!

Homer: Uh-huh, and how does it work?

Lisa: It doesn't work.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.

Homer: Uh-huh.

Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around here, do you?

Homer: (Looks around) Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock.

Not until these Islamic butchers are cornered and then dispatched can we stop.

And putting the U.S. army in Iraq at even greater risk of destruction is going to help with this ...how?

Jesus, for once it would be nice to hear from someone with at least a modicum of a clue of things military strategy and who can speak in something other than empty slogans.

[Guthrie]

Bush has not a clue what is going on in Iraq, Iran, Afganistan or Pakistan -- most of the materials used for roadside bombs were supplied to the insurgents from Saddam's explosives stockpiles. Materials left unguarded, essentially free for the taking - by US military, under the direction of Rummy ---

so it's the Buschistas supplying the terrorists much more than any Iranian arms dealer - it's just so pathetic

[Black Dog]

I'm starting to think this is all a ploy to fuck over the next (read: Democratic) administration. Since the back alley abortion some are trying to pass off as a strategy is certain to fail in spectacular and gory fashion (thus seriously damaging the U.S. and western interests abroad) the only explanation that makes any sense is that its motivated by domestic partisan political considerations. IOW: it's not about America winning the war, it's about making the Democratic party lose it.

[Leafless]

I'm starting to think this is all a ploy to fuck over the next (read: Democratic) administration. Since the back alley abortion some are trying to pass off as a strategy is certain to fail in spectacular and gory fashion (thus seriously damaging the U.S. and western interests abroad) the only explanation that makes any sense is that its motivated by domestic partisan political considerations. IOW: it's not about America winning the war, it's about making the Democratic party lose it.

It is no ploy.

Iran is after, especially America and has been in the works for some time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../14/wiran14.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...06/wiran106.xml

[Black Dog]

Ah, more misinformation aimed at people who don't know their Sunnis and Shiites from a hole in the ground. Iran is Shiite. Al Q'aeda is Sunni. Furthermore, why Iran would be interested in helping Al Q'aeda at all when the latter is little more than a brand name at this point, and when "Al Q'adea in Iraq" is one of the factions fighting the Iranian-backed Shiite government in Iraq is a deeper mystery.

Is it just me, or has the quality of propaganda and state stenographers really dropped since their halcyon days in 2003?

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ah, more misinformation aimed at people who don't know their Sunnis and Shiites from a hole in the ground. Iran is Shiite. Al Q'aeda is Sunni. Furthermore, why Iran would be interested in helping Al Q'aeda at all when the latter is little more than a brand name at this point, and when "Al Q'adea in Iraq" is one of the factions fighting the Iranian-backed Shiite government in Iraq is a deeper mystery.

Is it just me, or has the quality of propaganda and state stenographers really dropped since their halcyon days in 2003?

No - it's you.

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

Meantime I'm not sure what difference it makes when factions of both have shown their penchant for self-detonation and killing infidels.

[Black Dog]

No - it's you.

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

Meantime I'm not sure what difference it makes when factions of both have shown their penchant for self-detonation and killing infidels.

Sunshine, it's obvious by now that what you don't know about these matters could fill the Grand Canyon to overflowing. That's why you're so utterly shite at arguing details and why you only trade in sweeping declarations and hollow bombast. You skim the headlines, cruise the armchair warrior web, grab your talking points, drop them like steaming turds and scuttle away when someone has the temerity to challenge the actual substance (such as it is).

[Figleaf]

"Mr. Bush said it had been established beyond a doubt that a branch of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps known as the Quds Force is supplying Shiite groups inside Iraq with particularly deadly, Iranian-designed weapons known as explosively formed penetrators, or E.F.P.s."

"“I intend to do something about it,” Mr. Bush said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/14/world/mi...artner=homepage

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Could this indicate the beginning of a war with Iran?

Bush also said Iraq had a nuclear weapons program and active WMDs, but that was a lie.

Bush is a known liar. Maybe some IEDs are coming from Iran, but we can't take Bush's word for it.

Anyway, it would be sheer madness for Bush's discredited regime to launch attacks on Iran.

[JerrySeinfeld]

No - it's you.

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

Meantime I'm not sure what difference it makes when factions of both have shown their penchant for self-detonation and killing infidels.

Sunshine, it's obvious by now that what you don't know about these matters could fill the Grand Canyon to overflowing. That's why you're so utterly shite at arguing details and why you only trade in sweeping declarations and hollow bombast. You skim the headlines, cruise the armchair warrior web, grab your talking points, drop them like steaming turds and scuttle away when someone has the temerity to challenge the actual substance (such as it is).

stop it - you'r making me laugh out loud at the irony of those comments coming from YOU.

[JerrySeinfeld]

No - it's you.

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

Meantime I'm not sure what difference it makes when factions of both have shown their penchant for self-detonation and killing infidels.

Sunshine, it's obvious by now that what you don't know about these matters could fill the Grand Canyon to overflowing. That's why you're so utterly shite at arguing details and why you only trade in sweeping declarations and hollow bombast. You skim the headlines, cruise the armchair warrior web, grab your talking points, drop them like steaming turds and scuttle away when someone has the temerity to challenge the actual substance (such as it is).

stop it - you'r making me laugh out loud at the irony of those comments coming from YOU.

but you are kinda onto something there, tho, DOGGY - unlike I don't spend my days my mother's basement researching muslim sects so that I can pretend to be a smartypants in my latest attempt to discredit the world's greatest leader (GW Bush).

[Guthrie]

No - it's you.

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

Meantime I'm not sure what difference it makes when factions of both have shown their penchant for self-detonation and killing infidels.

Sunshine, it's obvious by now that what you don't know about these matters could fill the Grand Canyon to overflowing. That's why you're so utterly shite at arguing details and why you only trade in sweeping declarations and hollow bombast. You skim the headlines, cruise the armchair warrior web, grab your talking points, drop them like steaming turds and scuttle away when someone has the temerity to challenge the actual substance (such as it is).

stop it - you'r making me laugh out loud at the irony of those comments coming from YOU.

but you are kinda onto something there, tho, DOGGY - unlike I don't spend my days my mother's basement researching muslim sects so that I can pretend to be a smartypants in my latest attempt to discredit the world's greatest leader (GW Bush).

so what are you spending your days doing in your mother's basement --- and why do you have a bowl full of chocolate rabbits with their heads bitten off

[Leafless]

Ah, more misinformation aimed at people who don't know their Sunnis and Shiites from a hole in the ground. Iran is Shiite. Al Q'aeda is Sunni. Furthermore, why Iran would be interested in helping Al Q'aeda at all when the latter is little more than a brand name at this point, and when "Al Q'adea in Iraq" is one of the factions fighting the Iranian-backed Shiite government in Iraq is a deeper mystery.

Is it just me, or has the quality of propaganda and state stenographers really dropped since their halcyon days in 2003?

Sunnis, Shites, Sufis, Karrijites, Wahhabis, Ismailis, Zaidis and others must be really all buddies with one another or they wouldn't ALL GO TO THE SAME MOSQUE.

"Unlike churches, mosques are not denominational. Despite the differences among Muslims, traditional Friday prayer services are largely similar and Muslims of any background are welcome to attend services at any mosque. "

This took a lot of research:

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/isla...islam_sects.htm

Better brush up on your Christianity there BD, there are a lot more sects and divisions than Islam.

[sharkman]

Noticed this thread with interest, and I'm wondering what evidence there is that the U.S. is preparing military action against Iran. I haven't been keeping up with current events lately, is anyone reporting this?

[BubberMiley]

Better brush up on your Christianity there BD, there are a lot more sects and divisions than Islam.

You could brush up on your actual knowledge of the war. The only place in Iraq where there are Shi'ites that the U.S. has any presence at all is Baghdad itself. Every other place where they are stationed is a Sunni area. In Baghdad, they are propping up a Shi'ite government and largely fighting Sunnis. So if Iran really is providing weapons to their fellow Shi'ites, those weapons are likely being used to fight the insurgency, and this is just another lying excuse to start another war.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/02/nyt-falls-...an-weapons.html

[GostHacked]

Do I need to post that thing a 3rd time for THIS thread now??? I doubt the weapons are comming from Iran. For one they would not be stenciled with '81mm Mortar' in plain old everyday English. You know something ALL terrorist muslims should speak. Or maybe they should be in arabic writting so the people using these things against the US troops can read them and not use them the wrong way.

The Clinton appeasement years lead to 911. Appeasement doesn't work, that is a proven fact. There has not been an attack in north America since Bush disrupted the international terrorist connections and has been taking the fight to the terrorists. Not until these Islamic butchers are cornered and then dispatched can we stop.

Wait wait wait. It was BUSH who failed to head the warnings of the Clinton Administration in regards to Al-Qaueda. Even from the warnings across the world. Germany, France, Great Britian ect. But maybe they just cannot read intel reports. Since they got the whole WMD wrong.

Jerry

You point out the difference between shia and sunni as if it's NEWS - sorta like that vast lefty revelation that bin laden and saddam used to be allies of the US. ooooohhhh - ahhhhhh.

I will consider you trolling here Jerry. You know damn well and the evidence is there that Saddam was an 'ally' of the USA back in the 80s. Considering the Commander In Cheif did not know there were several sects of the Muslim religion. And it is news. For what it seems is the Sunni's and Shiites in Iraq are fighting each other. If Iran and Al-Queda, one is Sunni, the other is Shiite. Chances are Iran and Al-Queda are not doing much together. NON STARTER avec le link to Al-Queada.

but you are kinda onto something there, tho, DOGGY - unlike I don't spend my days my mother's basement researching muslim sects so that I can pretend to be a smartypants in my latest attempt to discredit the world's greatest leader (GW Bush).

Maybe you should educate yourself then as well.. Then your knowledge of facts won't embarrass you at all.

Leafless

Better brush up on your Christianity there BD, there are a lot more sects and divisions than Islam.

I had a response, but then I read BlubberMiley's post. His will do

I had a response, but then I read BlubberMiley's post. His will do

Sharkman

Noticed this thread with interest, and I'm wondering what evidence there is that the U.S. is preparing military action against Iran. I haven't been keeping up with current events lately, is anyone reporting this?

Even if you did know something about this (bookmarking this for later use), I seriously doubt you would have anything worthy to contribute to this thread. Just going on observation of your posts in other threads that you may not really pay attention to.

[Black Dog]

stop it - you'r making me laugh out loud at the irony of those comments coming from YOU.

but you are kinda onto something there, tho, DOGGY - unlike I don't spend my days my mother's basement researching muslim sects so that I can pretend to be a smartypants in my latest attempt to discredit the world's greatest leader (GW Bush).

So you're saying you make terribly ill-informed and downright stupid arguments because you're too lazy to educate yourself on the subjects you pontificate on to the tune of 2.2 posts per day?

By the way, I don't spend my day's in my mom's basement: I spend them in your mom.

THAT, my friends, is a SNAP.

Leafless:

Sunnis, Shites, Sufis, Karrijites, Wahhabis, Ismailis, Zaidis and others must be really all buddies with one another or they wouldn't ALL GO TO THE SAME MOSQUE.

That must explain the unity among Iraqi Muslims, right?

[BayLee]

Funny how at one time Iran was supported by the Americans.

Even more funny is how the Americans are so concerned Iran is trying to make nuclear weapons with all that nuclear equipment American supplied to Iran or helped them aquire when Iran was a good friend.

Funny how Iraq was a good American friend that America encouraged them to fire American supplied chemical weapons at Iran.

Funny how Iraq became such a threat to America( not really though) that over 3100 soldiers have died occupying the country

[Catchme]

Ah, more misinformation aimed at people who don't know their Sunnis and Shiites from a hole in the ground. Iran is Shiite. Al Q'aeda is Sunni. Furthermore, why Iran would be interested in helping Al Q'aeda at all when the latter is little more than a brand name at this point, and when "Al Q'adea in Iraq" is one of the factions fighting the Iranian-backed Shiite government in Iraq is a deeper mystery.

Is it just me, or has the quality of propaganda and state stenographers really dropped since their halcyon days in 2003?

It has dropped, Ari left and Rove ran out of lies.

[Leafless]

Better brush up on your Christianity there BD, there are a lot more sects and divisions than Islam.

You could brush up on your actual knowledge of the war. The only place in Iraq where there are Shi'ites that the U.S. has any presence at all is Baghdad itself. Every other place where they are stationed is a Sunni area. In Baghdad, they are propping up a Shi'ite government and largely fighting Sunnis. So if Iran really is providing weapons to their fellow Shi'ites, those weapons are likely being used to fight the insurgency, and this is just another lying excuse to start another war.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/02/nyt-falls-...an-weapons.html

We have a double war going on here.

The 'war on terror' coupled with 'sectarian fighting'. You are referring the sectarian battle.

It does not necessarily prove anything if Shiites are dominant in Baghdad. What exactly does this mean? That they side with the U.S.? Not necessarily.

It appears Iran is trying to obtain Shiite allegiance to dictate terms of a new scheme for the Middle East.

"If Iran can wrest Iraqi Shiites' allegiance through bribes and killings it will then have changed in its favour the regional balance while shattering the primacy of Sunni Arabs, and dictate terms of a new scheme for the Middle East with unimaginable global consequences."

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/...03/3514696.html