Marijuana In Canada

[KO2]

"The 29-year-old Toronto resident had been charged with possession of about 3.5 grams or roughly $45 dollars worth of marijuana."

We have a better consumer position here. I paid $22.50 for an eigth.

[KO2]

You guys must take into consideration that there is a huge range in allowable motorskill reactions.

Think about those around you, the completely sober ones with no clue of vectors, accelaration, F=MA, and all those other problems of eyesight, cellphones and you might believe that it is easier to teach chimpanzees rather than homonids to drive.

Think of the balance, the coordination required for a four year old to stay up on a bike and how many seconds it takes him to get it.

These driving skills need not be honed to lighning speed, all that is required is that your mind stays engaged with the task. If slightly impaired in motor skills, an intelligent, careful, driver will compensate. A headache, or backpain may impair you. It is up to a competent well trained driver to compensate, or if not able to, park the vehicle.

These lifesaving skills some people find very difficult to master, whether they are under the influence of a substance or not. As long as they pay attention, we also will compensate for them. Certain groups of races cannot seem to understand whether they drive or walk that the safe way to do this is with the eyes forward. Even on 3000 micrograms of LSD I can do better, guarranteed. I ride a bike, with a dog trotting beside me leash in hand, on the busy seawall and smile while throwing freindly conversation at strangers. I never come close to touching anyone.

Walking through China town I have to verbally warn people to watch where they are going to avoid a collission. These people have just stepped out of their parked cars. I'm not racist, just honest and observant.

My take on it is that the chinese have been a slow moving, yet tightly packed, pedestrian society for a long time. It seems to be a devil-may-care- way of saying you get out of my way, because I'm not looking out for you. An assertion of private space in a crowded society?

Much more safety, lives spared, would be our reward, if we focussed less on what substance was in a particular persons blood or what its precise effects are. The real target for our energies and money that would pay off exponetially, is better driver training at all levels and more traffic enforcement, via cameras if necessary.

Cellphone use is extremely dangerous and I urge everyone to check the other guy's phone records to see if they were on the phone during the time of the accident. You'll find the reason for the accident right there, often. This is something that the coroners should be doing for our safety now, in order to gather the evidence necessary to base critical legislation on. It is easy and cheaper than blood tests to get a copy of the deceased's telephone records. This is where a government of excellent capability would shine with intelligence gathering , good corrections applied in a timely manner which pre-empts the dangers to society.

The campaign to demonize pot as being a danger to drivers has only a basis in political propaganda, not facts, because the goal is to get ever closer to a police state, where every social problem's cure is enforced by criminal law and police.

No one have any constructive/ destructive input?

I'm kind of "up for it" having tried out the "Chronic"

Make my evening!

Do you feel lucky?

[jdobbin]

Yeah yeah...bet it doesn't even make it past the provincial court.

Judge Howard Borenstein is a judge in the provincial court.

[KO2]

Yeah yeah...bet it doesn't even make it past the provincial court.

Judge Howard Borenstein is a judge in the provincial court.

I guess, ScottSA, like Conrad, you might consider how valid is it to have tricadecaphobia?

Edited July 14, 2007 by KO2

[KO2]

I hope that I get to test this new crack in the law myself.

The police leave me alone, though.

For now I'll just roll another one.

[Guest coot]

I hope that I get to test this new crack in the law myself.

There's a new crack? What was wrong with the old one?

[shavluk]

Well not to burst some bubbles here , but myself I am concentrating on the Green and ndp parties to force the liberals to bring in legalization.

As far as the driving and cannabis, the only 2 governments to study it(england/australia) both found people drive better than sober on cannabis.

The gateway drug is human breast milk.

Yes I know welcome to Maple Leaf, right?

[jefferiah]

Well not to burst some bubbles here , but myself I am concentrating on the Green and ndp parties to force the liberals to bring in legalization.

As far as the driving and cannabis, the only 2 governments to study it(england/australia) both found people drive better than sober on cannabis.

The gateway drug is human breast milk.

Yes I know welcome to Maple Leaf, right?

They drive better on cannabis? Show me these studies. Seriously, do you believe this?

Concentrating on the Green and NDP parties----this is what I don't get about the legalize crowd. I mean to want it legalized is one thing, and I can accept debate on that issue, but to make it your main voting issue, I mean c'mon. And you probably don't have much trouble smoking it anyway. My guess is, like tobacco, if legalized you would be paying a pretty penny for an already expensive herb.

If you were to make an argument about relative harmlessness or personal freedom, I can accept that. But please, can the marijuana crowd stop telling me that it will boost our economy, all the worlds wars will end, people will drive better, athletes will perform astounding feats...all because of the miraculous herb.

Edited July 25, 2007 by jefferiah

[Harry Nads]

I'm firmly against drugs but the facts indicate that marijuana is less harmful than both cigarettes and alcohol. I would instantly legalize marijuana if I were elected Prime Minister. More harm than good comes from prohibiting marijuana. When prison cells are taken up by people who should not be in jail Canada is the one who suffers. Resources are spent on these people for no good reason.

[shavluk]

Thanks for sharing your view Jefferiah ,

That and 25 cents and its still pretty hard to make a phone call.

The links are out there and easy to find , including an actual BBC reporter and a cannabis smoker driving around London proving what I have said.

I have been at this for a while and really don't care if you chose to stay uninformed, thanks.

Wish me luck !

By the way a 26 oz bottle of alcohol like in the old days of prohibition in today's dollars would be $200.00 a bottle. How many have you ever drank?

How about this year?

Seems a fair price at $22.00 at the liquor store these days and even no one going blind because an illegal unregulated supply didn't sell wood alcohol for criminal greed or cause as I know happened to some , blindness.

Same as the asthma people today smoking cannabis soaked in Raid insecticide as I have seen.

Yes stay misinformed or consider me an idiot , both of these things mean absolutly zip to some one like me.

Hey, ever realize that there are no drive by shooting at liquor stores ?

You ever wonder why ?

[jdobbin]

I'm on the record here as saying marijuana should be decriminalized. It doesn't mean that I don't think there are possible dangers or that the drug should not be investigated further.

In the last few days:

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/07/30/...cigarettes.html

Smoking just one joint has the same impact on the lungs as smoking up to five cigarettes, says recent research out of New Zealand.

In the study, adults aged 25 to 49 were divided into four groups: those who only smoked marijuana, those who only smoked tobacco, those who smoked marijuana and tobacco, and those who didn't smoke at all.

And:

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Today/2007/07/...378921-sun.html

Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous.

The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 per cent.

Clearly, the drug shouldn't be considered harmless. However, it is probably a waste of time and effort to be arresting everyone in sight for using it.

[jbg]

Clearly, the drug shouldn't be considered harmless. However, it is probably a waste of time and effort to be arresting everyone in sight for using it.

A rare moment of agreement.

[shavluk]

Ha

Ha

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Terrific ,,now its about saving us from ourselves , hahahaha

I don't buy it for a second ,, balderdash ,,, but it gives me plenty of in sight in to people like you.

I didnt tell yet about meeting a fellow at one of the anti prohibition rallies this year that with tears in his eye's he explained how he contracted hepatitis C during his 2 year jailing for a cannabis possession charge and that now he is being treated with government cannabis, he has a prescription.

Its the best treatment for him. Unfortunately its marked up by 1500% in price .

Still the best treatment.

40,000 die in cars every year

29,000 even died in hospitals last year, from hospital risks.

zero from cannabis ,,

that's 0 ,of any as well , WITH THE lung problems from cannabis or as mentioned in your link there from a site that tells you everything is bad for your lungs, read it. And then see who puts it out ,there are links.

i simply ask you this one thing then.

Vancouver has had thousands and thousands like me here for 40 years,,,,, OK?

Where are the medical cases???????

Cannabis wasn't a hippy invention,,its been used for thousands of years(coincidentally the cancer rates have sky rocketed since it ,for racist reasons was made illegal)

I can show you articles that will give you a list of the costs to you just from the hydro transmission lines you live by or simply from the content of the average Canadians diet (which is the real problem here ) SO WHAT is also what I would say even if it were true.

You , with this much anti-interest in dealing sanely with the people who wont stop smoking it , no matter even if they are jailed shows some people's true nature and underlying demeanor by these type of posts .

Good luck with your crusade if we continue prohibition and some of you stay on the wrong side.

Didn't you see the CBC last week donate all that free time to the DEA over that 3 year old BS cannabis and schizophrenia story,,,from some obscure British e-hem ,med person??,,,,you can get that disease from doing ,,hmmmm,,,nothing or anything !

its really a by product from the industrial age and pollutants ,Canadian women's breast milk is unfit for human consumption ,check it out !!

people who don't use cannabis get it in far bigger numbers but they spread this BS all the time.

Its political.

by the by ,what does your research show for the non-smoking cannabis user?

the vaporizing type or the eater?

I challenge you to find me a body for these as well. In fact quite the opposite.

Sad what we know and how many suffer needlessly.

Some people it seems , its just about spoiling anyone else's fun no matter what the activity.

I rarely smoke joints and only because of my activism work.

I would be like mike Jackson and wear a dust mask around people even, eweww not with this mouth, thanks

I don't have more than a beer or two when I drink either.

Its about moderation for me.

some die taking an aspirin , i know i would have been dead years ago if it wasn't for the enlightenment and peace i receive from all of my choices i now defend and still use.

who are some of you to be so holy?

it might surprise you to know that a third of our candidates in the marijuana party had never smoked cannabis.

It might also surprise you to learn your body has receptors for some of cannabis's active ingredients. It doesn't for garlic and certainly not for alcohol which kills cells.

you and i can listen to them as they dissect both us at death and you will be able to say to me that yes the doctors thought my body had a little more poison in it than yours,,but maybe not,, we will see most definitely until that time i will stay in charge of me thanks

do you eat meat ?

drink pop?

sugar?

hmmmmmmm

to the crusade !

[White Doors]

Hi KO2!

[M.Dancer]

The big difference between the Beer and weed is; I can have a beer with lunch and not be in the slightest way affected. No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

[guyser]

The big difference between the Beer and weed is; I can have a beer with lunch and not be in the slightest way affected. No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

IOW....great taste vs less calories?

[M.Dancer]

The big difference between the Beer and weed is; I can have a beer with lunch and not be in the slightest way affected. No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

IOW....great taste vs less calories?

nutritious vs delicious

[Drea]

Not me. One sip of booze and I can feel it.

No way anyone should be smoking pot or drinking during working hours anyway.

There is a time and place for most everything. Booze and pot do not belong at work. Ever.

[gc1765]

No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

Not true at all. Back when I used to smoke, I would often only have a puff or two to relax, which is similar to the feeling I get after 1 beer.

[M.Dancer]

No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

Not true at all. Back when I used to smoke, I would often only have a puff or two to relax, which is similar to the feeling I get after 1 beer.

I have a puff or two and I'm blasted for a hour.

[gc1765]

I have a puff or two and I'm blasted for a hour.

Fair enough, but some people can have a puff or two without being too high. Just as some people can have a beer without feeling too drunk, while other people I know get pretty drunk off of one drink.

Maybe next time try half a puff and see what happens?

[shavluk]

The big difference between the Beer and weed is; I can have a beer with lunch and not be in the slightest way affected. No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

No its a big difference to you.

I cant have a beer at lunch and not be effected for hours but i can have a puff and function quite well.

Different strokes for different folks.

I did become a millionaire smoking it everyday.

I don't have any money now but the drugs had nothing to do with that,,,, well i shouldn't say nothing because ,, well ,, i only just started here and you guys don't know i was in fact framed for trafficking in 1991 for 8 grams of cannabis that I had zero to do with.

Long story but suffice to say I have spent 16 years fighting back this stupid repressive prohibitionistic mentality we are forced to still suffer sadly every day in the year 2007.

I realize you have done a lot of drinking to be able to drink at lunch. Should you go to jail for 7 years for having a beer at lunch ? ,,some did. Lots did for cannabis ,,many !

At least you are talking about the issue and marijuana is not a dirty word anymore.

Have a nice day.

[jbg]

The big difference between the Beer and weed is; I can have a beer with lunch and not be in the slightest way affected. No one has an after dinner spliff with the intention of not getting high.

Opposite with me. During the years that I used pot intermittently, from 1977 to 1991, I never once got a legitimate high. A beer will give me at least a light buzz, and I do sut my eyes, in my chair at the office, for a 12 minute power nap after having one at lunch.

[M.Dancer]

No its a big difference to you.

I cant have a beer at lunch and not be effected for hours but i can have a puff and function quite well.

After reading most of your posts KO2, I have to say I think you are blowing smoke......

[Drea]

He advocates driving while high. Ridiculous and pathetic.

This is the type of person that is shown on Tee Vee when they show pot smokers smoking a big, crappily rolled fatty - bigger than a cigar (those pictures you see on Teeeee Veeee are unrealistic btw, marijuana cigs are usually 50% the size of a regular cig let alone a cigar)

I never drive after smoking pot. I never drive after drinking alcohol. Both impair your judgement/reflexes no matter what anyone says.

I should be able to go down to the liquor store and pick up an eighth. I should not be treated like a criminal for something as innocuous as pot. The time has come (16% of us smoke it) to legalize it and get the criminal element out of it and educate the public like we've done with cigs.

Edited August 2, 2007 by Drea