Marijuana In Canada

[jbg]

As a side note, I seriously doubt that Canada gives a damn about what the U.S. thinks when making its laws.

I can see why Canada, when threatened regarding goods crossing the border, would be influenced by what the U.S. thinks/does, so I take back what I said earlier. This is a good ariticle about it; I'm more informed now than I was before, and can see that the U.S. definitely did play a part in it. I have to say I disapprove of the U.S. trying to strong-arm Canada into doing what it wants in matters like this.

Just so you know I read what your posts say, which view that I quoted above is yours?

[shavluk]

I do smoke the best in Canada ,,,, or I am sure I have at times and know what you mean.

Some have thought they had experienced strong cannabis , when really I thought it had been criminal organization pot and may have been dosed with raid quickly to get rid of mites for a fast sale or some not properly flushed of grow nutrients or moldy and to be honest I have seen all.

I am experienced and it doesn't rule my life.

Some don't chugaluga the 40 ouncer they just bought today at the liquor store ,,,,

some will die doing just that ,,,, tonight !

I just don't smoke joints and know i don't need more than a puff or two from a pipe.

I am 50 born on earth day.

But then its not about getting high for me ,oh don't get me wrong i have been high ,, I have also been stoned but that isn't as often as some would assume and like the fellow who could pack away booze at lunch , I guess I have a tolerance. I was drunk only a couple of times , once really and I never want to do that again !!!!!!!!!

Cannabis.

It does things for people that has nothing to do with being high.

Pain management and stress relief , awareness ,open mindedness , miracles.

Its all medicinal to me.

My mom is right now ,, terminal with cancer and too weak for chemo ,she was just told.

Been on going for a while. She is 70.

A very close friend ,yesterday was told his cancer has come back for the forth time and this time its in- operable as its wrapped around his brain stem ,this time ,he is 58 and a genius.

I saw him today and I many times think about the knowledge he possesses ,that dies with him.

Both of them are soooooooo conservative that they would never try cannabis,,, they would think them selves tooooooooooo weak moralled to try it ,,,sadly others I know of are in remission because they got over them selves and tried different therapy's. Imagine how I feel with what I know.

Others await trial for helping med patients find it and after operating for years servicing health Canada exemptees they are ceremoniously busted and unless they have 20,000 will do time.

Sad state of affairs in the world right now.

I await a federal election to bring renewed hope of a break through in human dna that stops the travesties I have witnessed.

Louise Moody age 70 died august 27 2007 , my mom

Andy Varga age 58 died september 20 2007 , my good friend

how many more will be cheated out of life because of the cowardly politicians and the illegality of cannabis?

The cancer society wrote us back explaining that they don't spend one red cent on natural remedies to fight cancer

think about that when the terry fox run is coming up

[Guest American Woman]

Louise Moody age 70 died august 27 2007 , my mom

Andy Varga age 58 died september 20 2007 , my good friend

I'm so sorry to hear that, Shavluk. You have my sympathies.

[trex]

Louise Moody age 70 died august 27 2007 , my mom

Andy Varga age 58 died september 20 2007 , my good friend

how many more will be cheated out of life because of the cowardly politicians and the illegality of cannabis?

The cancer society wrote us back explaining that they don't spend one red cent on natural remedies to fight cancer

think about that when the terry fox run is coming up

sincere condolences...

[trex]

i work in cancer care myself... we do allow some medicinal marijuana but it depends on the particular centre. in toronto its not a problem, the patients use it to combat nausea from chemo and radiation therapy. there were some interesting talks recently about its possible benfit for pain management, which had some of the therapists talking about it, and try to order it for their patients. so it is used but kind of kept quiet, amongst certain medical circles.

more testimony to the hypocracy of it all

[jdobbin]

There's no point in debating with someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

Canada will have to create legislation that is best for itself. It's no use getting in debates with people who have no interest in the subject.

[jdobbin]

I can see why Canada, when threatened regarding goods crossing the border, would be influenced by what the U.S. thinks/does, so I take back what I said earlier. is a good ariticle about it; I'm more informed now than I was before, and can see that the U.S. definitely did play a part in it. I have to say I disapprove of the U.S. trying to strong-arm Canada into doing what it wants in matters like this.

Canada will obviously have to reassure the U.S. that we will be fighting trafficking on our side of the border but if they want to hurt their own "just in time" businesses by delaying cargo, there is very little we can do about it. However, I don't see the same delays at the New York state border to other states.

[shavluk]

i work in cancer care myself... we do allow some medicinal marijuana but it depends on the particular centre. in toronto its not a problem, the patients use it to combat nausea from chemo and radiation therapy. there were some interesting talks recently about its possible benfit for pain management, which had some of the therapists talking about it, and try to order it for their patients. so it is used but kind of kept quiet, amongst certain medical circles.

more testimony to the hypocracy of it all

thank you for your comments tbud and American Woman ,really

tbud you I thought would know of this case?

Have you talked to rick simpson?

i spoke personally to jim after this latest case and think something has to be done politically

here check this out

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/album.html

My name is Rick Simpson. I have been providing people with Hemp Oil medicines, at no cost, for about 3 years. The results have been nothing short of amazing. Throughout man's history hemp has always been known as the most medicinal plant in the world. Even with this knowledge hemp has always been used as a political and religious football.

The current restrictions against hemp were put in place and maintained, not because hemp is evil or harmful, but for big money to make more big money, while we suffer and die needlessly. Look at a proposal such as this; if we were allowed to grow hemp in our back yards and cure our own illnesses, what do you think the reaction of the pharmaceutical industry would be to such a plan? Many large pharmaceutical companies that still exist today sold hemp based medicines in the 1800's and early 1900's. They knew then what I have recently found out. Hemp oil if produced properly is a cure-all that the pharmaceutical industry can't patent.

Two years a go I contacted the Liberals, the Conservatives and the New Democratic Party about this situation. I also provided them with evidence to backup what I was saying. No one lifted a finger, in most cases I was lucky to get a reply. I contacted the R.C.M.P. along with many other organizations and Public Interest TV shows, with little or no response.

Why are all these people trying to avoid such a simple truth? If I am in some way wrong in what I have been saying then I invite the system to come and prove it. I would be happy to put on a public demonstration of what this oil can do. That would answer this question for the Canadian public once and for all. It seems unbelievable that we have a law in Canada that will not allow us to cure our own diseases with a natural herbal remedy.

While much of the evidence for the effectiveness of Hemp is reports from patients and doctors, it is important to realize that this reporting leads to restrictions of drugs and their withdrawal from the market. Such was the case with doctors reporting the birth defects from Thalidomide and heart problems with the Fen-Phen combination of drugs. Further reports led to new uses for Thalidomide as a drug to treat leprosy rather than morning sickness. Anecdotal evidence (reports and observation by patients or doctors) usually indicates to a doctor that a treatment or drug should be altered, discontinued or changed.

In addition to the evidence, much research has been done and a list of a few of the researchers and their papers or publications is here. [Penicillin was approved for use with less experience and data than is available on the effectiveness of Hemp - only six patients].

The results of the cases can be readily replicated by any practitioner, medical or otherwise, anywhere, to cure malignant melanomas and more importantly, save lives. The topical application of hemp oil salves or balms helps to control or cure various skin conditions. Taken orally, the oil tends to seek out and destroy cancer cells in the body, but as with any drug, too much can cause side effects; most notable with hemp oil is drowsiness. Unlike opiates and their derivatives, hemp oil is not addictive.

For those who may find it incredible that the medical establishment would ignore or even disdain such research we remind the reader that the history of the medical establishment includes examples of mule-like stubbornness, incompetence, mediocrity, greed, arrogance, and stupidity. Consider the case of Dr. Ignas Semmelweis:

In 1847, Dr. Semmelweis, a respected Hungarian physician who was concerned about the high mortality rate of women giving birth in hospital, instituted a procedure at one hospital whereby doctors washed and disinfected their hands before delivering babies. Immediately, the mortality rate dropped from THIRTY percent to near zero. Seven other hospitals followed suit with similar results.

The European medical establishment recognized Dr. Semmelweis's achievement by blocking his applications for further research funds, vilifying and ostracizing him, and, ultimately, causing him to lose his prestigious positions at maternity hospitals. In America, the newly formed American Medical Association added insult to injury by threatening to revoke the license of any doctor caught washing his hands. Dr. Semmelweis was so distressed that women continued to die that he suffered a mental breakdown that eventually led to his death in 1865.

Don't expect a doctor working inside the system to buck the system. The risks are still too great!

The advice she or he offers you is controlled by the large medical industry that makes it's money from expensive cancer fighting drugs and treatments. It is an industry that doesn't look favorably on natural supplements or other cancer treatments that they cannot patent or make a large profit from. Years from now the current conventional cancer treatments used by doctors will on the whole be viewed in the same light that we view the old medical practice of blood letting to cure illnesses.

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lots more at the site photos and testimony

[trex]

thank you for your comments tbud and American Woman ,really

tbud you I thought would know of this case?

yes i do know about it, its the fellow from nova scotia

[jbg]

Canada will obviously have to reassure the U.S. that we will be fighting trafficking on our side of the border but if they want to hurt their own "just in time" businesses by delaying cargo, there is very little we can do about it. However, I don't see the same delays at the New York state border to other states.

Constitutionally there cannot be inter-state interdiction except for agricultural pests.

[shavluk]

yes i do know about it, its the fellow from nova scotia

Sorry

What are your thoughts about the ignorance displayed by people who should know better?

cancer society , media etc?

I wrote the Green leadership to try to get something done about this case as Ms May is running in that province.

[jdobbin]

This is the area of the new drug enforcement that could potentially cause concern.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

"If it was just rhetoric, it would be less serious," Tim Stockwell, director of the Centre for Addictions Research of B.C., told Canada AM on Friday.

But the Conservatives are pushing to toughen enforcement of marijuana laws, which could potentially criminalize large numbers of 18 and 19-year olds, he said.

Toughening enforcement around needle-exchange or safe-injection sites would render them less effective and could lead to more deaths, he said.

Stockwell, however, did praise the Conservatives for directing more funds towards addiction treatment and prevention campaigns.

[shavluk]

This is the area of the new drug enforcement that could potentially cause concern.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

NO DRUGS ARE SOLD AT GUN POINT

THERE ARE NO VICTIMS AND WE SHOULD START RECOGNIZING OUR OWN RIGHTS

UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO START HELPING THE FAT BY DENYING THEM ACCESS TO TIM HORTENS

HARPER LOOKS LIKE HE HAS PUT ON OVER 50LBS SINCE HE ARRIVED AT THE TAX PAYER TROUGH , MAYBE HE NEEDS A LAW TO GET BACK WITH THE PROGRAM AS WE ALL PAY HIS HEALTH CARE BILLS

MR JDOBBIN , YOU ,I HAVE TO SAY ARE REFRESHING TO ME !!

[Fortunata]

Stockwell, however, did praise the Conservatives for directing more funds towards addiction treatment and prevention campaigns.

It will be interesting to see if there are real positive steps toward serious treatment for addicts or whether this will be empty rhetoric. Throwing money into a one or two week program or a drop in program willo have little effect. A hard core addict needs in-depth hard core treatment. And even then it is not 100% effective. It is apparent that Steve has no empathy for an addict, otherwise he would not shun harm reduction. It shows that he has little understanding and wants little understanding. But hey! it looks good for his electorate.

[shavluk]

It will be interesting to see if there are real positive steps toward serious treatment for addicts or whether this will be empty rhetoric. Throwing money into a one or two week program or a drop in program willo have little effect. A hard core addict needs in-depth hard core treatment. And even then it is not 100% effective. It is apparent that Steve has no empathy for an addict, otherwise he would not shun harm reduction. It shows that he has little understanding and wants little understanding. But hey! it looks good for his electorate.

I would take all the hard cores out to the center of the pine beetle forest with ax's and saws and clear and replant multi species like it used to be and have the wood taken out put in salt water and only supplies brought in and by the time we got back they would probably all be human again

I watched a news story that had these ubc people telling people about the pine trees ground up put with cement and trying to get investors to sell it last week,,,,knowing that its only water resistant

because it unlike hemp (marijuana) will only rot and mold and break down instead of petrifying and sealing in tons of CO2 the the way hemp does

never mind the tons of energy needed to grind it all up

no some have idea's that never get heard and i know why

[geoffrey]

THERE ARE NO VICTIMS AND WE SHOULD START RECOGNIZING OUR OWN RIGHTS

So all the kids addicted to heroin, meth and crack, that's just cool. They are celebrating their freedom?

[shavluk]

So all the kids addicted to heroin, meth and crack, that's just cool. They are celebrating their freedom?

And jail cures them?

Let them out of the closet , remove the criminalization just for your car insurance ,,,the stuffs almost free from the source ,,,we can buy what the Americans steal from its system instead of politicians and cops making extra money as happens now ,,,,,give them buckets of the stuff , let them kill themselves.

You would be blown away at what would happen and yes some would die ,,,,, we all will no matter what your drug of choice is.

In the mean time when another toothless goon living off these poor souls arrives at my gate to threaten me or my wife again ,,,why i will just send you to talk to them about jail. hahhahaha

Edited October 6, 2007 by shavluk

[jbg]

And jail cures them?

And didn't they make a decision to use, and then become addicted to substances that are illegal under Canada's laws?

[shavluk]

And didn't they make a decision to use, and then become addicted to substances that are illegal under Canada's laws?

I don't or wont bother educating Americans as the disease is fed from there.

You with 6 % of the worlds population have 22 % of its prisoners.

Mostly drug crime.

Insane racist morality based dogma destroying America and its freedoms

I am still trying to save Canadians before your disease infects us worse.

[ScottSA]

You with 6 % of the worlds population have 22 % of its prisoners.

Dare I ask for a link for this utter and complete nonsense?

[trex]

Dare I ask for a link for this utter and complete nonsense?

it is not "utter and complete nonsense", the US has the highest rate of incarceration by a wide margin-

"The US incarcerates a far higher percentage of its population than any other country, with its prison population accounting for fully a quarter of the world’s prisoners. In 2006, newly released Census Bureau data indicate, the US incarcerated population stood at 2.1 million. According to separate figures put out by the Justice Department, by June 30, 2006, the prison population stood at well over 2.2 million.

No other country in the world comes close to these numbers. The far more populous China ranks second, with a prison population of approximately 1.5 million. The number of incarcerated persons in the US now exceeds the population of all but three cities in the country, and is equivalent to the combined populations of Seattle, Boston, Atlanta and Washington, D.C."

...

"The Sentencing Project estimates that in 2006, one in every 133 Americans was in prison or jail. Excluding the child population from the total brings this ratio close to one in every 100 adults behind bars."

The overall correctional population (either in prison or on parole) has grown during this time from 1.8 million to well over 7 million people. Another 4.3 million ex-convicts live in the US. The total population of the United States is approximately 300 million.

The figures from the Justice Department and Census measure the number of prisoners at any given time. However, during the course of one year, a far larger number of people spend at least some time behind bars. According to the 2007 Public Safety Performance review by the Pew Charitable Trusts, more than 600,000 people are admitted to state and federal prisons, and more than 10 million spend time in local jails, over the course of any given year."

...

"Driving this increase in prisoners has been a shift from rehabilitative to punitive “tough on crime” policies. The incarceration rate increased dramatically beginning in the early 1990s, in tandem with a drastic growth in inequality and the dismantling of social programs. Even as violent crime has dropped over the past decade, longer and more rigid mandatory sentences for non-violent offenses have resulted in the huge growth in incarceration."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6113000912.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/sep2007/pris-s29.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_prison_population

sounds familiar...

Edited October 9, 2007 by tbud

[Guest coot]

Though how are you supposed to come up with accurate stats when most of them are in secret prisons?

[trex]

"land of the free..."

[capricorn]

tbud and shavluk working in perfect tandem.

How do I know you are not one and the same person?

[trex]

tbud and shavluk working in perfect tandem.

How do I know you are not one and the same person?

we probably agree on most things political. i have some of my own issues. whats your point??

the other day you boasted what an open mind you have.

Edited October 9, 2007 by tbud