Wilber Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Also, isn't it true that Canada exited right after V-E day, and didn't help with the occupation or the fight in the Pacific Theatre? No it is not true although Canadian personnel were given the option of serving in the Pacific after VE day. Not many Canadian units served in the Far East and most of the Canadians who did were attached to British units. My dad was one of them. He was RCAF and spent two years in South East Asia attached to the RAF. He didn't get home till some time after VJ day and that was via England. The only Canadian ship serving in the Pacific theater, HMCS Uganda, voted itself out of the war after VE Day. On the other hand, the last Victoria Cross awarded in WW2 went to a Canadian flying off a British carrier against the Japanese mainland on Aug 9. Considering the effort and sacrifices made by both, neither country needs to apologize for anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 The only Canadian ship serving in the Pacific theater, HMCS Uganda, voted itself out of the war after VE Day. On the other hand, the last Victoria Cross awarded in WW2 went to a Canadian flying off a British carrier against the Japanese mainland on Aug 9. Are you kidding? HMCS Uganda "voted" itself out of the war? Such a deal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Are you kidding? HMCS Uganda "voted" itself out of the war? Such a deal!! Not a joke , that is exactly what they did, held a vote to see if they wanted to continue and they voted it down. It was "voted" on to ensure that only volunteers were going to fight. Too bad really, as they would have been the lone CDN presence when Japan surrendered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Too bad really, as they would have been the lone CDN presence when Japan surrendered. OK...looks like a Col. L. Moore Cosgrave represented the Dominion of Canada during the surrender ceremonies onboard the USS Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Why we Canadians seem to need to differentiate ourselves from Americans? It seems we are more alike then we care to admit. I personally find negative knee jerk reactions to anything American to be indicative of a less then healthy obsession with the U.S.. Are we afraid of being assimilated by their culture?There are aspects of American culture i find disturbing, such as their obsession with guns, the KKK and neo-nazis,as well as a split personality regarding porn,consider that the right wing has control of the government,yet America has the largest porn industry in the world,how is that anyway? I guess i'm saying that despite our differences,there is no country in the world that i would rather have my back then The United States of America. Just as an aside,how Anti-American would we be if George Bush wasn't in the White House? http://www.canadianencyclopedia.ca/index.c...s=M1ARTM0012831 Why do the Japanese dislike when people assume they're Chinese? After all, they're neighbours, and to most non-Asians they look and sound alike. Maybe it's the same reason Carribbeans don't like it when you assume they're Jamaican? Or the reason non-Arab Middle-Easterners dislike when you assume they're Arab? Hmmm, I guess national pride is a universal thing, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Too bad really, as they would have been the lone CDN presence when Japan surrendered. OK...looks like a Col. L. Moore Cosgrave represented the Dominion of Canada during the surrender ceremonies onboard the USS Missouri. Thanks, one can learn something new everyday. I did not know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Where did you hear Canada exited Europe? I thought you knew about Canada. Canada was still in country until 1946. In 1948, when Communists crushed dissent in Czechoslovakia, Canada was at the fore with the formation of NATO. The build up started immediately and Canadian forces were deployed to Germany by 1951. It was a year later because Canadian forces were also being deployed to Korea.It should be noted that many Americans believed the U.S. would be out of Europe by 1948. Canada was also in the Pacific Theatre. We were actually fighting before Pearl Harbor was attacked. The last Canadian to win a Victoria Cross died on the same day the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. It is all rather insulting considering Canadians were dying in the Pacific Theatre right up to Armistice. The Canadian Sixth Division was just preparing to ship out for an attack on the main island of Japan. Information appreciated. No insult meant. ================================================================= Back to the topic of this thread, on Wednesday night I was at a Jim Cuddy (lead of Blue Rodeo) concert in New York City. One of the people involved with the entourage was commenting about how little difference there was between Torontonians and New Yorkers. I'm not sure if that's an insult of a compliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 jbg, I'd say it was a compliment... ...to Torontonians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 jbg, I'd say it was a compliment... ...to Torontonians. Toronto is not 1/100th of New York as a city. The pace, the nightlife, the culture, etc. Toronto isn't even close. Toronto can ascribe to be Chicago MAYBE but it doen't even come close to NYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I'm not sure if that's an insult of a compliment. Now that is funny ! (maybe they meant both cities like good music?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 jbg, I'd say it was a compliment... ...to Torontonians. Toronto is not 1/100th of New York as a city. The pace, the nightlife, the culture, etc. Toronto isn't even close. Toronto can ascribe to be Chicago MAYBE but it doen't even come close to NYC. I've lived in NYC area all of my life. I've made two brief sojourns to TO, so I have no basis for comparison. That being said, NYC is a city that has given generations of Americans, from the first settlers to now, a chance to show what they have to contribute, without regard to their race, religion or ethnicity. This tradition started when the Dutch governor of New York, in 1653, was ordered to accept a boatload of Jews fleeing from persecution in Portugese Brazil. Ever since then, with the notable blot of the slavery era as a partial exception, New York City never cared how much money someone came with, whether their ancestor was a royal or a serf. New York City cared, and cares, only what you have to contribute. It's an amazing city in an amazing country on an amazing continent. As a song I love from the early 1970's, by Cashman & West (link), called "American City Suite" went in part: When she was goodIt was, oh, so good You were blessed If she smiled on you You could be king If she believed your story When it was over If she laughed at you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonardcohen Posted January 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I'm not sure if that's an insult of a compliment. Now that is funny ! (maybe they meant both cities like good music?) The difference is,New York is the center of the Universe,Toronto just thinks it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The difference is,New York is the center of the Universe,Toronto just thinks it is. Torontonians dont think that. We know that many centres exist all over the world. We just know that TO is the centre of Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The difference is,New York is the center of the Universe,Toronto just thinks it is. Torontonians dont think that. We know that many centres exist all over the world. We just know that TO is the centre of Canada. In my opinion, Montreal will always be the true cultural capital of Canada. If it weren't for the separatists, we still would be today. Montreal was the business and cultural capital of Canada. While the banks may have moved to Toronto, Montreal remains in many ways the best part of Canada. Toronto is just another city and frankly, it isn't that impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 In my opinion, Montreal will always be the true cultural capital of Canada. If it weren't for the separatists, we still would be today. Montreal was the business and cultural capital of Canada. While the banks may have moved to Toronto, Montreal remains in many ways the best part of Canada. Toronto is just another city and frankly, it isn't that impressive. When I visited Montreal in March 2005 for the CPC convention, I saw a decaying, crumbling infrastructure, and, because of the sign laws, a serious hostility to English-speakers. A great city has been reduced to the level of a true dump. I visited Toronto with my wife in 1997 for what was to be four days of sightseeing. We were so impressed we bumped the trip 300 kms. north, to Algonquin Provincial Park, after one day of fumes and 33 degree heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 In my opinion, Montreal will always be the true cultural capital of Canada. If it weren't for the separatists, we still would be today. Montreal was the business and cultural capital of Canada. While the banks may have moved to Toronto, Montreal remains in many ways the best part of Canada. Toronto is just another city and frankly, it isn't that impressive. When I visited Montreal in March 2005 for the CPC convention, I saw a decaying, crumbling infrastructure, and, because of the sign laws, a serious hostility to English-speakers. A great city has been reduced to the level of a true dump. I visited Toronto with my wife in 1997 for what was to be four days of sightseeing. We were so impressed we bumped the trip 300 kms. north, to Algonquin Provincial Park, after one day of fumes and 33 degree heat. For sure, Montreal is a dump today. This true city has been reduced to as much. That in no way makes Toronto a city anywhere near as great as New York is. Toronto is the ego capital of Canada for sure. But for the ego as big as Toronto has it is nowhere near as great a city as New York is. Toronto can aim to be Chicago but it is nowhere near as great as New York is, regardles of where Montreal fits into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 In my opinion, Montreal will always be the true cultural capital of Canada. If it weren't for the separatists, we still would be today. Montreal was the business and cultural capital of Canada. While the banks may have moved to Toronto, Montreal remains in many ways the best part of Canada. An equal amount of companies are migrating from Toronto to Calgary too. The power shift goes beyond that. But bottom line. Montreal has the best food. Hands down no one even comes close. The nightlife there is fantastic. Now if only you folks had good skiing nearby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I will agree that Montreal is the most pleasant, livable, well-designed, interesting city in Canada with the best nightlife. But Winnipeg has the best food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 I will agree that Montreal is the most pleasant, livable, well-designed, interesting city in Canada with the best nightlife. But Winnipeg has the best food. No way the smoked meat in Winnipeg is better than that here...and do you guys even have poutine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Man does not live on poutine alone, or bagels, smoked meat, steamies or late-night souvlaki pitas. If you do, then Montreal is paradise. But for crazy diversity, from Vietnamese, Thai, Jewish, Ukranian, and even Greek, one thing Winnipeg does have going for it is the plethora of really good cheap restaurants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricki Bobbi Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 No way the smoked meat in Winnipeg is better than that here...and do you guys even have poutine? You can get shitty poutine anywhere in Canada. The chicken sauce poutine in Montreal is phenomenal. Not very good for the gut though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 No way the smoked meat in Winnipeg is better than that here...and do you guys even have poutine? You can get shitty poutine anywhere in Canada. The chicken sauce poutine in Montreal is phenomenal. Not very good for the gut though... Didn't Canada's President, Johnny Poutine, endorse George W. Bush in 2000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Man does not live on poutine alone, or bagels, smoked meat, steamies or late-night souvlaki pitas. If you do, then Montreal is paradise. But for crazy diversity, from Vietnamese, Thai, Jewish, Ukranian, and even Greek, one thing Winnipeg does have going for it is the plethora of really good cheap restaurants. What's the name of that big Ukrainian place in Winnipeg... you can buy practically tubs of perogies? Winnipeg is nearing the bottom of my list of Canadian places I'd live (right above Taktauktuk), but that one resturant nearly bumps it up a spot. It's a one namer resturant... I wish I could remember the name grrr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Canuck Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 "What a hoot. France barely survived WW I even with Britain's help and Canada's heroism at Vimy Ridge. It re-emerged from captivity only by dint of the US and UK. And countries of that ilk are going to go to war against the US over Canada? Dream on. LeonardCohen, above, has it right. " Who said it would have to be Britain and France or "countries of that ilk"? Our relations with many first and third world countries is much better than the Americans. A case in point is China and Russia. Canada has cooperated with several the Chinese on several high tech and large construction projects, such as the Three Gorges Dam. Our government is currently considering purchasing three heavy lift military transport air craft such as the Antonov An 225. Take a look around the world and you will see anti Americanism rising in countries such as Japan, Russia, Venezuela, Brazil, Mexico, the Middle East and the Caribbean. Do you really think that the US would risk attacking a country whose relationship with the entire world is better than theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Do you really think that the US would risk attacking a country whose relationship with the entire world is better than theirs? Words and sentiments are one thing. Actual power is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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