Is the Pope NUTS?

[Leafless]

"Pope Benedict XVI on Sunday expressed "cordial greetings" to the world's Muslims on the occasion of Eid al-Fitr, the feast day ending the holy month of Ramadan."

I think until Islam becomes a domesticated non- violent religion, the Pope has no business expressing any sort of greetings concerning a religion that is responsible for so many murders throughout the world, carried out by mad dog killers and followers of this troublesome religion.

The Popes message could be extremely disturbing for many Christians.

[northstar]

The Jihad Muslims' are facing the kindness of Christianity in the Leadership of the Pope. It doesn't mean he agrees, it is important that he shows kindness, since a lot of Muslims' in the free World are searching their Qur'ans and other 'guides' in Holy Scriptures of Islam, and recognizing that the PEACE that is referred to is only the manipulative peace that is used to pretend to tolerate NON-Muslim religions and social values.

As Mohammad teaches the followers of Islam, peace is a means to go out to other countries and try to convert others to Islamic teachings, if they accept Allah as the one true God, then they will be spared, otherwise they will suffer 'scourging' , murder or extortion at the hands of the Muslims' who are the righteous ones.

As they study the Isalmic Holy Scriptures and recognize that line after line {161 at my last count} holds threats, support and teachings of to justify Wife abuse, Child abuse, peophilia, rape, violent death and torture and destruction to those who do not convert or give in to extortion--then where have they to turn.

The choice to find an alternative has to be supported because it could cost them their life. Recently a Muslim did just this and searched the Quran for such a way to a peaceful existance that embraced our values and society, he looked and looked, then he found an answer and converted to Christianity. Now he has a bounty of 6 million dollars on his head.

The law of islam does not tolerate freedom of speech and is in direct conflict with the criminal code of our country, and of other countires of the free world.

When scholars say that the Quran is now replaced with the Hadith, they neglect to point out the understanding amongst Muslims' that when the Hadith contridicts the Quran, the Quran's teachings are final.

Thus the Quran is the fundemental teaching of all Muslims and they are all called to be Jihad which in arabic means 'resistance. The Muslim scholars will point our that this means the internal conflict raised by the teachings of the Holy scriptures, but they fail to point out the words that are causing the conflict. [and l would be happy to provide examples from the Quran}

So the Pope's act was that of a leader, being courageous, yet again, and trying to offer these violent people a way that will support human rights and peace.

I believe we should be wise about the situation but always offer a way to be a part of our community, regardless of whether it is Buddist, Christian, Jewish or Aethist, we need to continue to be the generous and free country we have always been, except with the constant threats we need to learn to defend our freedom and the values of our country.

That means that intolerance and discrimination against our communities will not be tolerated.

[Figleaf]

What is this, the rhetorical questions thread?

Is the pope nuts?

Does a bear shit in the woods?

[Leafless]

So the Pope's act was that of a leader, being courageous, yet again, and trying to offer these violent people a way that will support human rights and peace.

I believe we should be wise about the situation but always offer a way to be a part of our community, regardless of whether it is Buddist, Christian, Jewish or Aethist, we need to continue to be the generous and free country we have always been, except with the constant threats we need to learn to defend our freedom and the values of our country.

That means that intolerance and discrimination against our communities will not be tolerated.

The Pope's message sounds strangely apologetic concerning " A growing chorus of Muslim leaders have called on the pope to apologize for the remarks he made in a speech in Germany on Tuesday when he used the terms "jihad" and "holy war."

What the Pope said IMO sells out Christians who don't especially feel this way.

Canada is a free and generous country but I don't know how you can possibly expect Canada to be responsible and defend the interest of your followers concerning the volatility of your religion.

[sharkman]

I think the Pope is extending an olive branch to the Muslim leaders, who will no doubt see it as a sign of weakness and keep calling for their faithful to blow up catholic stuff. They are so predictable.

[northstar]

And here is an example of who the Pope should really be-

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=75...p;id=1563542006

[BubberMiley]

I agree with Leafless. Islam, Hindu, Christian, whatever: you have to be nuts to really believe that stuff.

[blueblood]

now now now now, what's wrong with the Pope saying something nice sure he flubbed up but what's wrong with trying to make it up, I mean he's no John Paul II but those are TALL shoes to fill. I think it's a sign of strength that he's doing that, what that evangelical leader franklin graham says is outright cowardly and completely hypocritical of what is said in the bible. If anyone is nuts its this guy and anyone who uses religion as a weapon and to cause fear and hate mongering. I feel sorry for evangelicals when they have individuals like this who make their religion look bad. I don't think there is a muslim terrorist out there with the guts to attack anything in Rome, cuz if that happened I'll tell you right now the U.S. wouldn't be the leader in the war on terror for very long.

[jefferiah]

I am not a big Pope fan or anything, but as far as all this Muslim stuff goes, I really don't think he is crazy at all. I dont think he meant to offend them in the first place, and then there is nothing wrong with him trying to be nice later.

[M.Dancer]

Churchill was criticised for the diplomatic form that the declaration of war against japan.

I don't have the quote in front of my but the paraphrase might be:

" it does not hurt to be polite to someone you are trying to kill"

....not that I think il papa is trying to kill.......but I fail to see how being rude will help.....

[northstar]

Canada is a free and generous country but I don't know how you can possibly expect Canada to be responsible and defend the interest of your followers concerning the volatility of your religion.

--leafless

You don't ahve to be a Catholic to READ. I suggest you actually READ the speech and READ the response you nit-whit!!!

Then you might have a contributing comment that makes sense...and I am not supporting the Religon, only the truth of the matter, and that is that the Muslims' once again are creating their own problem by complaining and criticising our society, and those leaders who have the courage to offer a fig leaf to the followers of Islam.

If you READ the speech,, you will notice that the Pope uses a quote from the 15th century, that is because he had to go that far back to find a statement that supports peace. The teachings of Mohammad where not applicable because they are actions of peace in a manipulative sense, in order to take over other countries, murdering and pilaging as they go.

Then the apology was actually for any mis-conceptions about the speech. I was happy because I felt he was completely wrong to make such a referance. It was incorrect, since this IS indeed a religion that is violent.

And the actions of Muslims showed clearly that even today they are intolerant and disrespectful of the very societies they chose to live in. They showed that they are contemptuous and had no problem showing hatred in the rioting, demonstrations and burning of effigies, and the complete patronizing attitude of the political leaders in demanding that it was not enough. The Muslim community showed in it's recent reactions that violence is very much alive in the Islamic culture in the murder of an innocent old lady who was careing for sick children [the murder of the nun].

In my opinion the Pope should have stated the truth and quoted the Quran that has over 160 punishments for the world of non-Muslims.

However then he would have received the same treatment as anyone else who exercises their right of freedom of speech, the Islamic tradition of controlling and stifling freedom, a multi-million dollar bounty on his head.

So for the Pope to offer an olive branch, he is displaying by action the tolerance that will lead to Muslims' taking a good hard look at the Quran and recognizing that it is all about intolerance, peophilia, hatred and violence.

The Pope is doing his job and acting like Jesus.

My opinion is based on the facts, NOT a religious belief.

[northstar]

even apologizing for the term Jihad and Holy war is the correct thing to do because he is called to be HUMBLE, so while the terrorist groups continue to say this is actions of Jihad and a Holy War, and there is plenty of arguement that he was absolutely correct in his terms, he can still offer an apology.

The more complains and riots and acts against our social values are lodged, the more Mulsims are creating their own problems. There is a saying, 'you teach others how to treat you'. Here is an example. Constant demands {the olympics being re-scheduled for them], mis-use of tax payors dollars to go against social values {court case of the UK teacher], discrimination and intolerance of others religious values {the airline stewardess on AIR INDIA} the terrorist evading police in a burka {London}, the lack of integrity in the Mosques {toronto mosque supporting terrorist activities}, this is all examples of the way the Muslim faith is building a appearance to the public which is eventually going to do a lot of harm.

So to get back to the topic, the POPE is rising to his position in being kind and tolerant and in this way the vile actions of the Muslims' are truly being shown, IT IS BRILLIANT!!!

[blueblood]

even apologizing for the term Jihad and Holy war is the correct thing to do because he is called to be HUMBLE, so while the terrorist groups continue to say this is actions of Jihad and a Holy War, and there is plenty of arguement that he was absolutely correct in his terms, he can still offer an apology.

The more complains and riots and acts against our social values are lodged, the more Mulsims are creating their own problems. There is a saying, 'you teach others how to treat you'. Here is an example. Constant demands {the olympics being re-scheduled for them], mis-use of tax payors dollars to go against social values {court case of the UK teacher], discrimination and intolerance of others religious values {the airline stewardess on AIR INDIA} the terrorist evading police in a burka {London}, the lack of integrity in the Mosques {toronto mosque supporting terrorist activities}, this is all examples of the way the Muslim faith is building a appearance to the public which is eventually going to do a lot of harm.

So to get back to the topic, the POPE is rising to his position in being kind and tolerant and in this way the vile actions of the Muslims' are truly being shown, IT IS BRILLIANT!!!

Yup just like old John Paul II did to the communists and look at where the Soviet Union is today...

[Leafless]

So to get back to the topic, the POPE is rising to his position in being kind and tolerant and in this way the vile actions of the Muslims' are truly being shown, IT IS BRILLIANT!!!

The speech is old news. BTW what the Pope said from a quote means little as the important part was that he did verbally say it.

The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic. I am a Catholic and detest what he said in reference to any sort of apology concerning his initial quote.

Islam is a volatile religion as well as political in nature.

In fact the Pope has no business concerning his beliefs directed to a group so volatile that the only remaining superpower has a hard time controlling their mad dog killer instincts, fuelled by their fanatical homicidal beliefs, regarding virgin rewards in another supernatural world.

I am certain extreme Muslims (or any other Arab Muslim for that matter, as we cannot read minds) laugh at the Pope and consider him nothing more than a bad joke, just another Christian they would like to get their hands on and eliminate.

http://www.grasstopsusa.com/050905.html

[BubberMiley]

I am certain extreme Muslims (or any other Arab Muslim for that matter, as we cannot read minds) laugh at the Pope and consider him nothing more than a bad joke...

Well, there's something you can agree on. Common ground is always a good starting point for a worthwhile discussion.

[Leafless]

I am certain extreme Muslims (or any other Arab Muslim for that matter, as we cannot read minds) laugh at the Pope and consider him nothing more than a bad joke...

Well, there's something you can agree on. Common ground is always a good starting point for a worthwhile discussion.

Talking about comedians, how about quoting the entire paragraph which reads:

"I am certain extreme Muslims (or any other Arab Muslim for that matter, as we cannot read minds) laugh at the Pope and consider him nothing more than a bad joke, just another Christian they would like to get their hands on and eliminate."

I don't believe there is NO common ground on this one, at least not with a person who despises from what I gather, religion of any kind.

[jbg]

I see nothing wrong with leaders like the Pope starting with cordial greetings to Muslims. The Muslims' non-response should show the world that they are not a normal religion.

Anything more is a mistake.

[Leafless]

I see nothing wrong with leaders like the Pope starting with cordial greetings to Muslims. The Muslims' non-response should show the world that they are not a normal religion.

Anything more is a mistake.

"Not a normal religion" magnifies what I am talking about and that is homicidal maniacs murdering people under the name of Islam.

The Pope knows Islam is a violent, political religion, especially followed in a strict sense by Arab countries.

Why would the Pope even want to acknowledge this religion as a religion, in comparison to what religions are normally all about.

Modern religions may be defined as the presence of a belief in the sacred or the holy concerning non-violent personal convictions.

For the Pope to extend 'cordial greetings' especially concerning Arab followers of Islam is akin to approving the violent conduct of homicidal maniacs.

[northstar]

Why would the Pope even want to acknowledge this religion as a religion, in comparison to what religions are normally all about.

Modern religions may be defined as the presence of a belief in the sacred or the holy concerning non-violent personal convictions.

Well, some political tight-rope walking is required for the POPE who is suppose to be walking in the footsteps of Jesus...

I mean he can hardly come out and say "they are all part of a cult", or that "it was written by an irrational petophile",

or

"What happened folks, is that Abraham had two sons, one who carried on being good and responsible...then the other was the nasty dirtyone called Mohammad, who wanted to justify his criminal activities, who wanted to justify having children as brides, and then little boys for a thrill, because you see folks, Mohammad was a tyranical power hungry war lord, who manipulated people to thinking he was coming in peace.

In fact, he admits to this being manipulation and untrue, and he grows his cells until he is in the position to demand. The demands are three choices for the infidels, [non-Muslims] die, be extorted like good little slaves, or convert. So you see folks, they are a cult..."

So this is an example of what the Pope could say if he wanted to give the world one clear understanding of how this violent, bloody religion that has been motivating this world terrorism is seen as a ALLAH cult following...

Do you truly believe that it is fair to expect one man who represents a portion of the world's religion should really take on this task?

The thing is that their are wonderful kind hearted Muslims, who by the place in which they were born, were raised to believe that this was the only way to live. Now the wise ones of this group are checking the Quran to see how it is peaceful. One such Muslim recognized the roots where in the Christian faith and has sinced changed to Christinanity, and oh, he has a bounty of $6 million on his head....

[Drea]

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