Free Advice to Peter MacKay

[Charles Anthony]

When they get rid of the Senate they can also get rid of the Commons as far as I am concerned.

Keep going, keep going....

[Wilber]

Can nobody take the high road? If one member of the group acts like a child, does that automatically release the rest of them from their obligation to act like adults? Is acting like an adult not an obligation of a member of Canada's Parliament? That must be it.

[Drea]

Maybe it is a conservative thing????????

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"You ever see a picture of her back then? Whew," New York Daily News political reporter Ben Smith quoted John Spencer as saying Friday en route to a debate with Clinton in Rochester.

Is it endemic within the rightwing this disrespect of women???

Conservatives respect women.... if

if they are virgins

if they are wives

if they are mothers

Strong, independent, single women scare the crap out of them.

[B. Max]

Strong, independent, single women scare the crap out of them.

You mean feminazi's. I don't think they are afraid of them at all. They dealt with them appropriately and cut them off at the wallet.

[Wilber]

Maybe it is a conservative thing????????

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"You ever see a picture of her back then? Whew," New York Daily News political reporter Ben Smith quoted John Spencer as saying Friday en route to a debate with Clinton in Rochester.

Is it endemic within the rightwing this disrespect of women???

Conservatives respect women.... if

if they are virgins

if they are wives

if they are mothers

Strong, independent, single women scare the crap out of them.

I think the they scare the crap out of the left. Why else would they run to defend them from any percieved slight instead of letting them act like strong independent single women?

[Biblio Bibuli]

If one member of the group acts like a child, does that automatically release the rest of them from their obligation to act like adults?

Stephen Harper cannot have a man-child holding Canadian diplomacy in his hands !!!

[Drea]

Ahh, jump on the "feminism" portion but completely ignore "how conservatives respect women".

Feminazi's (as though all strong, independent women are dykes who hate men)

Cut 'em off at the wallet (as though all strong independent women need money from outside sources)

See what I mean?

They automatically deride anything that empowers women. Of course, with the exception of cooking and childbirth classes. Those are A-OK.

Strong independent single women really do scare the crap out of them. They know that the patriachy will end and people will be equal regardless of gender or percieved gender role.

[Drea]

I think the they scare the crap out of the left. Why else would they run to defend them from any percieved slight instead of letting them act like strong independent single women?

Probably do. Strong indepent women don't want welfare for life social programs.

Regarding this "dog" issue -- I'd run with it to were I in politics and if it were to give me an "edge".

He DID infer that she was a dog. He lied by denying it. And lying in Parliament is just bad politics -- especially when the whole country knows it.

I don't blame any politician for taking this and running with it.

[B. Max]

Ahh, jump on the "feminism" portion but completely ignore "how conservatives respect women".

Feminazi's (as though all strong, independent women are dykes who hate men)

Cut 'em off at the wallet (as though all strong independent women need money from outside sources)

See what I mean?

They automatically deride anything that empowers women. Of course, with the exception of cooking and childbirth classes. Those are A-OK.

Strong independent single women really do scare the crap out of them. They know that the patriachy will end and people will be equal regardless of gender or percieved gender role.

Respect is something you earn, not something you force on someone or force someone to pay for. The outside sources you suggest, is the taxpayer and it seems they want the booty. Thanks to real women the Harper government has in stead given them just the boot.

http://www.realwomenca.com/alerts.htm#aug07_06

[Drea]

Respect is something you earn, not something you force on someone or force someone to pay for.

Exactly. Strong independent women earn their own way in the world.

The outside sources you suggest, is the taxpayer and it seems they want the booty.

Who are "They" in the above sentence? Is there a group out there (besides women's shelters and the like) that are recieving govt funding? The only link you gave is one to Real Women and from your next sentence, I don't think they're recieving funding.

http://www.realwomenca.com/alerts.htm#aug07_06

Thanks to real women the Harper government has in stead given them just the boot.

Once again, given who the boot? Who are "they"? Funny "they've" never approached me to be part of their group... yah know, if there out there recruiting women to lobby for govt money, etc.

[Wilber]

If one member of the group acts like a child, does that automatically release the rest of them from their obligation to act like adults?

Stephen Harper cannot have a man-child holding Canadian diplomacy in his hands !!!

I'm still looking for an adult among this bunch.

[Wilber]

I don't blame any politician for taking this and running with it.

I do. As far as I am concerned, looking for political advantage by claiming to be sticking up for someone is as big a lie as they are accusing Mackay of making.

[Drea]

I don't blame any politician for taking this and running with it.

I do. As far as I am concerned, looking for political advantage by claiming to be sticking up for someone is as big a lie as they are accusing Mackay of making.

Accusing?

Clearly he did infer that Stronach was a dog. How many times does it have to be reiterated?

Clearly he denied calling her a dog. Which he didn't. He INFERRED it by pointing out her chair when asked about a dog.

Had he been asked about his kitten, would his response have been to point at Belinda's chair?

Clearly he lied by denying the fact that he INFERRED it.

He is denying the fact that he pointed at her chair when asked. That is lying.

Yes, folks this has gone beyond a dog comment, it's about a minister lying in Parliament and we can't have that now (Mr. Honest Open Accountable Transparent Goverment Harper), now can we?

[Biblio Bibuli]

I'm still looking for an adult among this bunch.

If you keep thinking like a child you'll never find them.

[Wilber]

I don't blame any politician for taking this and running with it.

I do. As far as I am concerned, looking for political advantage by claiming to be sticking up for someone is as big a lie as they are accusing Mackay of making.

Accusing?

Clearly he did infer that Stronach was a dog. How many times does it have to be reiterated?

Clearly he denied calling her a dog. Which he didn't. He INFERRED it by pointing out her chair when asked about a dog.

Had he been asked about his kitten, would his response have been to point at Belinda's chair?

Clearly he lied by denying the fact that he INFERRED it.

He is denying the fact that he pointed at her chair when asked. That is lying.

Yes, folks this has gone beyond a dog comment, it's about a minister lying in Parliament and we can't have that now (Mr. Honest Open Accountable Transparent Goverment Harper), now can we?

OK, lets just say he did say it, I still say looking for political advantage by claiming to be sticking up for someone is as big a lie. It is about as ingenuous as you can get.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Clearly he did infer that Stronach was a dog. How many times does it have to be reiterated?

Clearly he denied calling her a dog. Which he didn't. He INFERRED it by pointing out her chair when asked about a dog.

Had he been asked about his kitten, would his response have been to point at Belinda's chair?

Clearly he lied by denying the fact that he INFERRED it.

He is denying the fact that he pointed at her chair when asked. That is lying.

Yes, folks this has gone beyond a dog comment, it's about a minister lying in Parliament and we can't have that now (Mr. Honest Open Accountable Transparent Goverment Harper), now can we?

Clearly, you are changing the way you attack the government over the issue along with all the other Conservative haters.

Clearly you said it was offensive to woman until the Liberals changed their gameplan.

Clearly the strength of your convictions is pretty weak. You are just attacking the Conservatibes anwyway you can. The Canadina people have seen through this sad little ploy. Even the National isn't leading with this story...

[betsy]

The Liberals are the last one who should be insisting on an apology from a perceived slight delivered in the heat of an argument....especially taking into consideration the PERSONAL history of those involved (McKay and Stronach bitter split up).

Of all parties, the Liberals ought to be the last one to point out the significance of McKay's position as Foreign Minister...like as if, McKay did anything to slight any foreign officials....and/or had placed any diplomatic relationships at stake.

As far as I remember, two female Liberal MPs had delivered an UNPROVOKED insult to the leader and people of another nation.....smacked of racist comments (which would've undoubtedly gone unforgiven if they were uttered towards any other group or nation). They were highly publicised and had received a lot of criticism as well.

Those remarks could've affected diplomatic relationships...that could have impacted economies and affected people's lives whether directly or indirectly.

Oh yes, insult directed not only to one particular nation...but all those nations who belong to the "Coalition Of IDIOTS."

And yet, no apologies were ever rendered by these MPs. And it died a quick death on the floor. It didn't go on for ages.

And yet the noble Liberals have the gall to keep dragging this on...wasting taxpayers' money...and time...to quibble over something like this? Oh yeah, they're threatening that they will keep this going.

Priorities are really askew with the Liberals. They're not only desperate...they're incapable!

[betsy]

Strong independent single women really do scare the crap out of them. They know that the patriachy will end and people will be equal regardless of gender or percieved gender role.

Well regarding "patriachy"....I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Drea...but Stronach ain't the one who's gonna bust it. In fact, she is, AGAIN, being a POOR ROLE MODEL...to women.

How?

Her own political party, which is led by a man and comprised of mostly men, is USING her...as a woman...for their own political gain!

Oh yes, the Liberals had hoisted her reputation like a flag...they don't give a hoot that it's getting tattered...along with McKay's.

Either they've brainwashed her...or convinced her (either way she didn't use her empowered brains)...or ....she just relapsed, fallen off the wagon you might say and had become the "typical traditional nitwit woman" ...you know, the ones being snickered at by the "enlightened and empowered ones."

She could've gotten back at McKay in a different way and made a grand and dignified stance at the same time.

<sigh>

If only she did not listen to men...and instead, had thought independently...and deliciously schemed like a wily woman.

Grinning smugly like a cat is very much preferable than sweating and sharing the spotlight with McKay.

[betsy]

Respect is something you earn, not something you force on someone or force someone to pay for.

Exactly. Strong independent women earn their own way in the world.

I am with you here, sis!

And we have a lot of women throughout history....and the present who had earned it. Still earning it...and will keep on earning it!

A lot of them may not be high-profiled...like the old school teacher my father had, and still vividly remembers and speak of highly....but they have earned, and deserve the respect they've got.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Belinda only wishes she had one of the best qualities of a dog: Loyalty.

Parlaimentarians have been insulting eachother in crass fashion for decades! The only new part about this story is that someone actually has the gaul to ask for an apology - and better yet, tries to make this a "Women's Issue" (baahahahahahaha).

This coming from someone named as "the other woman" in a trashy divorce case, and an MP who opportunistically tossed loyalty and relationship to the wind in hopes for a quick power grab (which ultimately backfired).

Most self-respecting women wouldn't dare align themselves or their moral compass with this poor excuse for a "Woman".

[Wilber]

I'm still looking for an adult among this bunch.

If you keep thinking like a child you'll never find them.

These are the people who are supposed to be making the policy that determines the future of this country. These are the people responsible for collecting and spending two thirds of this country's tax revenue.

Because I object having to pay big bucks maintaining 306 of these worthies, their flunky's and facilities in Ottawa so they can waste their time engaging in this kind of crap, I'm the one thinking like a child? How much time and resources are being spent outside of Parliament trying to spin this thing for political advantage? How long will this Parliament last and how much of it will this juvenile exercise take up? Will any of them volunteer to give up even one day of their Christmas break to deal with the country's business after spending so much time on their own petty squabbles? If that is thinking like a child in your mind, it tells me something about you.

This story has little legs other than reinforcing people's disgust or sadness at watching grown adults drive another nail into the coffin of their own institution's integrity

I say a pox on all their houses.

Whenever they indulge themselves in one of these sand box exercises, I have to wonder if this country wouldn't be better off if Ottawa was hit by a 9.5 earthquake and the whole of Parliament Hill disappeared into the river.

These people are so engrossed in their little Ottawa game they have no clue what kind of fools they have made themselves look.

That's how I think.

[Topaz]

McKay did say it, I heard him say it , although it was in the background, he still said it and this does reflect on his own character as a person and as a minister. IF he's able to lied about this what is he able to lie about the war in Afghanistan or any other things that comes up in this ministry!! The PM isn't much better by not taking this and clearing it up rather than just let it alone and thinking it'll go away on its own.

[Higgly]

The first and most important is respect. Never let anyone hear you say a disrespectful thing about an ex girlfriend ...

Maybe in the House, but otherwise, why not? Take a moment or two to listen to a little 'girl-talk'. I say dish it back, but only among friends and not to strangers, and certainly not to women !

[Biblio Bibuli]

I'm still looking for an adult among this bunch.

If you keep thinking like a child you'll never find them.

These are the people who are supposed to be making the policy that determines the future of this country. These are the people responsible for collecting and spending two thirds of this country's tax revenue.

Because I object having to pay big bucks maintaining 306 of these worthies, their flunky's and facilities in Ottawa so they can waste their time engaging in this kind of crap, I'm the one thinking like a child? How much time and resources are being spent outside of Parliament trying to spin this thing for political advantage? How long will this Parliament last and how much of it will this juvenile exercise take up? Will any of them volunteer to give up even one day of their Christmas break to deal with the country's business after spending so much time on their own petty squabbles? If that is thinking like a child in your mind, it tells me something about you.

This story has little legs other than reinforcing people's disgust or sadness at watching grown adults drive another nail into the coffin of their own institution's integrity

I say a pox on all their houses.

Whenever they indulge themselves in one of these sand box exercises, I have to wonder if this country wouldn't be better off if Ottawa was hit by a 9.5 earthquake and the whole of Parliament Hill disappeared into the river.

These people are so engrossed in their little Ottawa game they have no clue what kind of fools they have made themselves look.

That's how I think.

I'm sorry but all you are doing is parroting what every Harperite is saying ... that discussing MacKay's little fiasco is "a waste of time & money".

I don't think it is. I worry about Pete's QUALIFICATIONS for pete's sake!

[Wilber]

I'm sorry but all you are doing is parroting what every Harperite is saying ... that discussing MacKay's little fiasco is "a waste of time & money".

I don't think it is. I worry about Pete's QUALIFICATIONS for pete's sake!

I'm not excusing Mackay for anything. I think the whole pack of them are acting like immature twits. If you think you are getting good value for money from this bunch in Parliament then I guess you are getting what you deserve.

As far as questioning Pete's QUALIFICATIONS because of his comment about Stronach. Bull. If you question a politician's qualifications every time they put their foot in their mouth on any issue, good luck finding one that's qualified for anything. If Trudeau was judged on the number of people he insulted, he wouldn't have been qualified to clean toilets.

I've known plenty of assholes that were very good at their jobs.