Is Canada Anti-Semitic?

[scribblet]

I'm not referring to only some minority groups...but Canada as a whole.

I don't want to talk about who and what land belongs to where or whom. I am wondering about the sentiments of Canadians as a whole.

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

And just reading and listening to the media lately. There seems to be a biased-ness in their reporting.

Occasional vandalisations of Jewsih synagogues has been treated lightly. There's no display of outrage among the media...or outpourings of concern that try to garner sympathy for a particular group that is targetted by hate-crimes. Nothing like the coverage given to the Muslims' concern that they become targets anytime some terrorists kill and maim innocent civilians in the name of Allah.

And the mid-east crisis now.

Lebanese casualties are grieved upon daily.....but casualties among the Jews are all but ignored. Like as if casualties among civilians are not the same...no matter what race or sides.

Our major political parties had clearly taken sides....although they try to appear neutral (for the sake of votes I imagine).

The reason and root cause of the sudden eruption and escalation of this war is being ignored....both by the media and the political parties in this country! Either that ...or they don't have a sense of wrongness at all.

There is nothing wrong about wanting to become neutral. But there is something definitely wrong when we knowingly accept an abhorrent act and throw away our sense of justice in the process.

Agreed, the silence is deafening when it comes to speaking out about terrorist atrocities and martydom operations etc. Betsy is right about the anti semitism and attempts by students to shut down Israeli or pro Israeli speakers, including Ariel Sharon's visit to Toronto,. What they are doing is shutting down freedom of speech and association, no democracy on campus for these groups.

There is an article on how universities and campuses are becoming increasingly hostile towards any pro Israeli movements.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...412/?hub=Canada

Universities, particularly their Middle Eastern studies departments, are becoming increasingly hostile to pro-Israeli points of view, he said.

"The intolerance that we find on campuses must be fought by greater attention to what is taking place," Pipes told about 180 students amid airport-style security.

"It is time to take these institutions back."

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/2096

On Campus, the Line Between Anti-Israel Sentiments and Anti-Semitism is Blurring

by Noah Cohen-Cline

http://www.yufa.org/archive/2005/YFS.html

YFS Condemns Racism at Toronto Universities

10 Nov 05 - York Federation of Students has asked YUFA to inform its members concerning the distribution of hate materials on Toronto campuses last week.

[Leafless]

I think most of what passes for anti-semitism is coming from the Left, and is out of ignorance (unsurprisingly). The left has a habit of moralizing on politics. If you don't agree with their political viewpoint, then you're immoral. The Left hates Israel. Jews support Israel.

The Libs are also anti-Christian support homosexuals and support Muslims and Islam.

It's evident the Liberals are a cultural polical party with their own special preferred cultural preferences with the NDP not far behind.

It's a hell of a way to run a country when mainly English speaking White Christians and Jews are politically despised.

Is this what 'equality' has done for Canada, racism under the guise of equality??

[jdobbin]

The Libs are also anti-Christian support homosexuals and support Muslims and Islam.

It's evident the Liberals are a cultural polical party with their own special preferred cultural preferences with the NDP not far behind.

It's a hell of a way to run a country when mainly English speaking White Christians and Jews are politically despised.

Is this what 'equality' has done for Canada, racism under the guise of equality??

Many Christian groups aren't happy with the Conservatives either.

http://www.chp.ca/

[Melanie_]

The Libs are also anti-Christian support homosexuals and support Muslims and Islam.

It's evident the Liberals are a cultural polical party with their own special preferred cultural preferences with the NDP not far behind.

It's a hell of a way to run a country when mainly English speaking White Christians and Jews are politically despised.

Is this what 'equality' has done for Canada, racism under the guise of equality??

How do you see any rights being taken away from English speaking White Christians and Jews? Or do you simply object to the rights of homosexuals and Muslims being acknowledged? Racism isn't under the guise of equality; rather, it is under the guise of protecting "traditional" values.

Edited to address the thread:

As non Jews, I don't think most of us are in the best position to gauge anti-Semitism in Canada; I haven't noticed coming into contact with it often, but that doesn't mean that it isn't there.

[Canuck E Stan]

Many Christian groups aren't happy with the Conservatives either.

http://www.chp.ca/

"Many"? Christian groups?

This link is to a political party.

Pretty goofy assertion in linking a polical party to "many christian groups" not being happy with the conservatives.

Gee,many Green party,Liberal party,Bloc,NDP, ect. aren't happy with the conservatives.

What are you trying to flame here?

[BubberMiley]

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

If you can't remember the details then why would you use it as a basis for your sweeping accusation (and don't tell me "I'm just asking a question" because obviously you think the answer is yes)

If you want to smear a group of people and have no "details" to back you up, it's best to do so in the form of a question.

[jdobbin]

"Many"? Christian groups?

This link is to a political party.

Pretty goofy assertion in linking a polical party to "many christian groups" not being happy with the conservatives.

Gee,many Green party,Liberal party,Bloc,NDP, ect. aren't happy with the conservatives.

What are you trying to flame here?

This is the guy I usually hear on a few rural radio stations commenting on the Conservatives . I included the address because they encapsulate some of what he is says on the radio and in some articles he contributes elsewhere.

The latest comments today were how could the Conservatives not ask for a ceasefire when Maronite Christians were getting bombed.

[gc1765]

The left has a habit of moralizing on politics. If you don't agree with their political viewpoint, then you're immoral.

And the right doesn't do this? Like with abortion and SSM??

The Libs are also anti-Christian support homosexuals and support Muslims and Islam.

How are they anti-Christian? Examples? I'm glad that the Liberals are tolerant of people regardless of sexual orientation or religion, unlike the conservatives.

It's a hell of a way to run a country when mainly English speaking White Christians and Jews are politically despised.

White Christians and Jews are politically despised?? How many non-White, non-Christian/Jewish prime ministes have we had??

[jbg]

White Christians and Jews are politically despised?? How many non-White, non-Christian/Jewish prime ministes have we had??

How come every assertion of rights of Christians or Jews is derided by someone as "racist"?

[gc1765]

White Christians and Jews are politically despised?? How many non-White, non-Christian/Jewish prime ministes have we had??

How come every assertion of rights of Christians or Jews is derided by someone as "racist"?

Examples? Who is calling who a racist?

[Leafless]

How do you see any rights being taken away from English speaking White Christians and Jews? Or do you simply object to the rights of homosexuals and Muslims being acknowledged?

Edited to address the thread:

As non Jews, I don't think most of us are in the best position to gauge anti-Semitism in Canada; I haven't noticed coming into contact with it often, but that doesn't mean that it isn't there.

White English speaking Christians or Jews have become part of the Liberals manufactured 'culture club' backed by the Liberals doctored Constitution and have been designated no longer the majority of Canada but now simply part of a Liberals 'pecking order'.

Now of course this 'pecking order' in my book constitutes racism.

Laws in Canada are no longer detirmined or influenced by traditon, customs or the whishes or other methods of the majority but now by the Liberals and their 'culture club' and their stacked Liberal courts.

Proof of the destructive methods the Liberal are utilizing to remove previous or existing rights from the majority is the Liberals preference to secularize Canadian institutions and to promote the interest of French Quebec while allowing that province not to adhere to Charter obligations and treat that province including federal official bilingualism to an array of various sorts of federal political favourtism.

I don't know what media you read, watch or listen to but from what I see there are all kinds of anti-semetic attacks including fire bombing jewish libraries, sraying swastika's on doors of private residences, having tombstones overturned and a multitude of more subtle ways of anti-semetic behavior.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mock-k...-on-racism.html

http://www.cbc.ca/worldview/wvarchives/20040410.html

[jdobbin]

White English speaking Christians or Jews have become part of the Liberals manufactured 'culture club' backed by the Liberals doctored Constitution and have been designated no longer the majority of Canada but now simply part of a Liberals 'pecking order'.

I'm not sure what all that means.

[Leafless]

White English speaking Christians or Jews have become part of the Liberals manufactured 'culture club' backed by the Liberals doctored Constitution and have been designated no longer the majority of Canada but now simply part of a Liberals 'pecking order'.

I'm not sure what all that means.

Normally the 'majority interest' in a democratic country concerning a multitude of issues dictates the route a federal government would take to address these issues.

Liberals 'pecking order' simply describes mainly the Liberals (a heavily influnced Quebec federal political party) controlling the country, utilizing minority cultures as a tool for the advancement of certain cultures or nationalities according to their preference in an effort to offset the interest of the cultural majority to appease the interest of a minority pertaining to many issues.

This could sound noble concerning 'equality', but can be destructive when a government uses minority cultures and minority groups in an accumalitve way to beat down majority cultural interest.

More dangerous though is a federal government who promotes minority cultures for no other reason than for that parties own self perservation for votes and promoting minority cultures for the sole benefit of certain cultures or culture for the advancement of that culture concerning dominating power and control could be seen as politically culturally biased and destructive to the country and a definite 'racist action'.

[betsy]

The left has a habit of moralizing on politics. If you don't agree with their political viewpoint, then you're immoral.

And the right doesn't do this? Like with abortion and SSM??

But isn't the law and constitution based on Christian values?

[betsy]

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

If you can't remember the details then why would you use it as a basis for your sweeping accusation (and don't tell me "I'm just asking a question" because obviously you think the answer is yes)

If you want to smear a group of people and have no "details" to back you up, it's best to do so in the form of a question.

Here. Will this suffice?

"In September 2002, Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech was cancelled due to a riot outside the Hall Building. A window was broken, students were intimidated and a point of view was silenced. The university community was appalled by the violence and largely assumed this was an unfortunate onetime event.

Sadly, last year’s cancellation of Ehud Barak’s speech at Concordia suggests that this optimistic assumption was mistaken. Whether Ehud Barak ultimately makes it to the university is immaterial. The larger question is one of free speech."

http://magazine.concordia.ca/2005/march/endpiece/

[betsy]

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

If you can't remember the details then why would you use it as a basis for your sweeping accusation (and don't tell me "I'm just asking a question" because obviously you think the answer is yes)

If you want to smear a group of people and have no "details" to back you up, it's best to do so in the form of a question.

And this.

“Through its actions, this university has made a clear admission that it cannot guarantee a safe environment for a distinguished speaker like Ehud Barak,” Rabbi Poupko said before the rally.

“They have also told us that any anti-Israel speakers are allowed to come here, but that pro-Israel speakers would cause a riot and are, therefore, denied access.”

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/tribune/jt-040929-24.html

[gerryhatrick]

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

If you can't remember the details then why would you use it as a basis for your sweeping accusation (and don't tell me "I'm just asking a question" because obviously you think the answer is yes)

If you want to smear a group of people and have no "details" to back you up, it's best to do so in the form of a question.

Here. Will this suffice?

"In September 2002, Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech was cancelled due to a riot outside the Hall Building. A window was broken, students were intimidated and a point of view was silenced. The university community was appalled by the violence and largely assumed this was an unfortunate onetime event.

Sadly, last year’s cancellation of Ehud Barak’s speech at Concordia suggests that this optimistic assumption was mistaken. Whether Ehud Barak ultimately makes it to the university is immaterial. The larger question is one of free speech."

http://magazine.concordia.ca/2005/march/endpiece/

That's the one. Hardly support for your supposition that Canadians are "anti-Semitic" though. Those were students protesting a very controversial person.

Was it an anti-Semitic protest? No.

And you failed to answer to my points about the media.

All of your extrapolations are nonsense.

[scribblet]

There is more than a small disparity in the reporting of this war.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...15-06360ba5f412

But why, they asked, were these same reporters not broadcasting and writing about the hundreds of thousands of Israeli refugees from the north of the country who were fleeing to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? Around half-a-million Israeli Jews and Arabs have left Haifa, Tiberias and neighbouring towns and thousands more are living each day in underground shelters.

Particularly bitter is the experience of a number of Lebanese who fled their home country six years ago when Hezbollah took over their villages and towns, torturing and raping and killing. They were given residence and often citizenship in Israel and usually live in those areas now being hit so hard by the plague of Katyusha rockets.

Lebanese people fleeing to Syria, on the other hand, receive endless media attention. This is particularly ironic as there are still Lebanese activists in Syrian prisons; and the former prime minister of Lebanon, a man who was helping to transform the nation and was courageously critical of Syrian behaviour, was murdered by a Syrian army of occupation last year.

When it comes to the game of numbers and perception, there is another screaming fallacy in the coverage of the issues. Until just a day or two ago, the foreign media announced every Lebanese fatality as a civilian death. This would mean that the Israeli military is so incompetent and so evil that it had failed to kill a single Hezbollah fighter.

The truth, of course, is that heavily armed Jihadists were being eliminated from the first day of combat. Unlike Israeli soldiers, however, they often wear no uniform and normally have no rank, papers or official status.

In one attack on a bunker in Tyre, more than 30 people were killed by an Israeli aircraft. The official line, weakly replicated by the Western press, was that all of the dead were civilian. It was later revealed that half of them were Hezbollah militia and were found with their weapons..........

and.. the media has said that they are stage managed by Hezbollah, in fact they are pretty well working for the enemy

This is from the Jerusalem Post. Following are two paragraphs from the article:

CNN "senior international correspondent" Nic Robertson admitted that his anti-Israel report from Beirut on July 18 about civilian casualties in Lebanon, was stage-managed from start to finish by Hizbullah. He revealed that his story was heavily influenced by Hizbullah's "press officer" and that Hizbullah has "very, very sophisticated and slick media operations."

When pressed a few days later about his reporting on the CNN program "Reliable Sources," Robertson acknowledged that Hizbullah militants had instructed the CNN camera team where and what to film. Hizbullah "had control of the situation," Robertson said. "They designated the places that we went to, and we certainly didn't have time to go into the houses or lift up the rubble to see what was underneath."

[jdobbin]

Normally the 'majority interest' in a democratic country concerning a multitude of issues dictates the route a federal government would take to address these issues.

Liberals 'pecking order' simply describes mainly the Liberals (a heavily influnced Quebec federal political party) controlling the country, utilizing minority cultures as a tool for the advancement of certain cultures or nationalities according to their preference in an effort to offset the interest of the cultural majority to appease the interest of a minority pertaining to many issues.

This could sound noble concerning 'equality', but can be destructive when a government uses minority cultures and minority groups in an accumalitve way to beat down majority cultural interest.

More dangerous though is a federal government who promotes minority cultures for no other reason than for that parties own self perservation for votes and promoting minority cultures for the sole benefit of certain cultures or culture for the advancement of that culture concerning dominating power and control could be seen as politically culturally biased and destructive to the country and a definite 'racist action'.

I am heartened by the fact that more and more people in Canada are calling themselves "Canadian." I expect those numbers to increase dramatically when the new census figures come out. It hasn't be so much driven by government as by the realities of how people are living in Canada.

I think how the Liberals present themselves to Canadians in their entirety will be how they are judged in the next election. New people, new policies and a clear message will help.

[jdobbin]

There is more than a small disparity in the reporting of this war.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...15-06360ba5f412

That link doesn't work.

I haven't seen a story for story comparison of the bias you describe. I know some media watchdogs do that for major issues.

[scribblet]

The past cancellation of a prominent Jewish speaker to a university or college somewhere in Canada (sorry, can't remember the details now)....cancelled, due to protests from some other groups.

And this.

“Through its actions, this university has made a clear admission that it cannot guarantee a safe environment for a distinguished speaker like Ehud Barak,” Rabbi Poupko said before the rally.

“They have also told us that any anti-Israel speakers are allowed to come here, but that pro-Israel speakers would cause a riot and are, therefore, denied access.”

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/tribune/jt-040929-24.html

I posted some urls to back this up yesterday, York University is another U with problems.

While I don't think that disagreeing with Israel's policies are anti semitic, antisemitism seems to be on the rise.

There is an article here on Canadian anti semitism.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-prutschi-f04.htm

This article was written in 2003 but I'll wager that those figures are up now.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...me=&no_ads=

Audit finds anti-Semitism rising across Canada

Updated Thu. Mar. 6 2003 11:31 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Violence, harassment and vandalism against Jews was up more than 60 per cent in 2002 compared to the previous year, B'nai Brith said Thursday in its annual audit of anti-Semitic incidents.

"The findings of the 2002 audit are alarming," Rochelle Wilner, president of B'nai Brith Canada, said in a news release.

[jdobbin]

I posted some urls to back this up yesterday, York University is another U with problems.

While I don't think that disagreeing with Israel's policies are anti semitic, antisemitism seems to be on the rise.

There is an article here on Canadian anti semitism.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-prutschi-f04.htm

These are incidents. There have been incidents against other religions as well in the last fives years.

I'd probably say there was more of an anti-Islamic feeling out there than anti-Semitic one. I haven't any proof of that. It's just a guess.

[BubberMiley]

I don't think anti-semitisim is on the rise, but charges of anti-semitism certainly are. It comes from the same type of debater who dismisses criticism of the government as "Harper-hating," or criticism of gay marriage as homophobia.

[watching&waiting]

I am glad this has again been brought to topic. I see for the most part a trigger happy group of people who are all too willing to use the racist card when ever things are not going well for their side. I believe that there are several organizations that are all too willing to bring these small things forwar to make them much more then they are. The Benaibrith (sorry for spelling ) is one jewish organization that I as a Canadian would like to see gone, as they are as much a instigator in many things and I do believe that they do nothing but cause trouble with their whining all the time about small things and the tniest act against them and make it into a cause of huge proportions. I am sure they probably have a better purpose some where in their position, but I as a Canadian do not see it and No I do not want a long winded explanation of how it comes tpo being. Save that for those who care or follow your religion. I just see from these places, their very narrow views and constant whining about little things.

Does this make me an anti-semite? No, it makes me normal and the constant whining from one source all the time makes me want to remove that source, but since the laws say it is ok, then it has the right to stay. Even though I strongly get my hackles up as soon as this group says anything. I find that yes I will purposely take opposing position just because of the way I feel. Since I do not feel this way towards jews as a race, I would say that makes me less tolerant of the BS this group has to say on anything.

The other side of things I see are the Muslim Imans, who almost never condemn any act of terrorism and for the most part preach in a way to almost guide a young man who is not certain of his way yet in life to seek out this darker side and see what it is about. That is dangerous and I believe it supports the terrorist cause. If I had my way every Iman who does not condemn the acts and recruitment of terrorist or religious wars, should be removed from Canada, because this not only goes against our laws, but it is allowing recruitment from right here in our country.

Now does this make me anti-muslim? Of course not, it means that I will openly accept muslims as long as their religion stays within the laws we have in Canada. If they can not then they need to go else where.

[Charles Anthony]

I find that yes I will purposely take opposing position just because of the way I feel.

That sounds like blind reflexive prejudice to me.

If I had my way every Iman who does not condemn the acts and recruitment of terrorist or religious wars, should be removed from Canada, because this not only goes against our laws, but it is allowing recruitment from right here in our country.

How much condemnation do they have to do to avoid your punishment?

Now does this make me anti-muslim? Of course not, it means that I will openly accept muslims as long as their religion stays within the laws we have in Canada. If they can not then they need to go else where.

Their religion does stay with the laws of Canada and you are punishing them for the actions of other people. Therefore, yes, that makes you anti-muslim.

I am curious to know: what are your thoughts on atheists?