Guest Warwick Green Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 A Dutch court has turned down a request to ban a political party with a paedophile agenda. Judge HFM Hofhuis ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party. The PNVD was formed by three paedophiles in May, prompting outrage in Dutch society. It seeks to lower the age of sexual consent from 16 to 12 and legalise child pornography and sex with animals. "Freedom of expression...including the freedom to set up a political party can be seen as the basis for a democratic society," Judge Hofhuis said in the ruling, according to the Associated Press news agency.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5187010.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 A Dutch court has turned down a request to ban a political party with a paedophile agenda.Judge HFM Hofhuis ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party. The PNVD was formed by three paedophiles in May, prompting outrage in Dutch society. It seeks to lower the age of sexual consent from 16 to 12 and legalise child pornography and sex with animals. "Freedom of expression...including the freedom to set up a political party can be seen as the basis for a democratic society," Judge Hofhuis said in the ruling, according to the Associated Press news agency.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5187010.stm Think this might be a trick by the Dutch court to find out who they should arrest later on? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Ah yes, that shinig example of nirvana that liberals keep pointing to whenever sex issues are being discussed. No doubt Scandinavian Love is much freer and better than North American. In truth, this is what happens in a society when perverted sex becomes the new norm. 20 years later you need more perversion to keep it spicy, and down the slippery slope you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drea Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Ah yes, that shinig example of nirvana that liberals keep pointing to whenever sex issues are being discussed. No doubt Scandinavian Love is much freer and better than North American. In truth, this is what happens in a society when perverted sex becomes the new norm. 20 years later you need more perversion to keep it spicy, and down the slippery slope you go. What is perverted sex? Besides pedophilia and beastiality. WHAT type of sex led us down this dirty path? What could we have done to prevent the evolution of pervertion to this level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 What is perverted sex? Besides pedophilia and beastiality. WHAT type of sex led us down this dirty path? What could we have done to prevent the evolution of pervertion to this level? Interesting question. What do conservatives think of as perversion aside from the ones you've just mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moron-X Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Sex is an objective subject. What one group may see as fine, others may not. And as long as there are people out there trying to push boundries.....there will be opposition. There are certain cases however where a line MUST be drawn. Child pornography is as depraved as it gets. Nowhere should it be allowed. A young human should for no reason endure exploitation for profit. As far as i am concened the legal concenting age for sex is far too low. Myself being 21, I see things in the bar that would horrify adults. We are on a trend right now that is seeing sex become more and more acceptable at a younger age and it sickens me. When i was 13 i was playing hockey......Not in front of a webcam. Im out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Myself being 21, I see things in the bar that would horrify adults. I completely agree. I'll add on to your little line there, when I was 16 I was out mountain biking or playing hockey or something, not in a bar. The amount of minors (especially girls) that are getting into clubs and bars is just astonishing. And it's dangerous, we all know what clubs are generally for, and we have kids in them. Stricter regulations and ID laws perhaps? -- Back to the political party... I personally can't see how a court would allow a party that advocates illegal acts. That's like me starting up the murder party... or the marijuana party now that I think of it? Where do we draw the line? This obviously crosses it in my mind, but I have enough faith in voters to just not elect these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Child pornography is as depraved as it gets. Nowhere should it be allowed. A young human should for no reason endure exploitation for profit. As far as i am concened the legal concenting age for sex is far too low. The point is, though, that a counter-argument can't happen unless someone is willing to make it. I realize that this issue is very sensitive to people, but are we so afraid of our own worst impulses as a society that we can't even allow such things to be discussed ? Myself being 21, I see things in the bar that would horrify adults. Aren't there only adults in the bar ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moron-X Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Aren't there only adults in the bar ? Fake ID's are surprisingly easy to get........and you would also be surprised at how easily young, slightly dressed females can talk thier way into some bars..........One particular bar in Calgary (i won't mention a name.....but it's very well known) is particualrly notorious for having a large number of girs that are under age in thier club. Times are changing. Not for the better either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I find that surprising. I thought Alberta was a law-and-order province ? Even on Queen Street, in Toronto, they demand valid ID because they know that the Liquor Board will shut them down if they don't comply with the law. Do you think that the situation in Alberta could be related to some lower status that government has there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeyhands Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 So there is a party that represents what... 5 people? Who cares, the ruling doesn't legitimize their policy but rather prevents others from stopping other gorups that may want to start a party.. it in no way legalizes pedophilia????? you guys are nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Ah yes, that shinig example of nirvana that liberals keep pointing to whenever sex issues are being discussed. No doubt Scandinavian Love is much freer and better than North American. Uh...you do know Holland is not a Scandanavian country, right? And what exactly is wrong with the court decision? They aren't legalizing or otherwise endorsing pedophilia anymore than the fact we have a Marihuana Party here in Canada means the state endorses marijuana use. Free expression also means being exposed to ideas that we don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyAC Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Ah yes, that shinig example of nirvana that liberals keep pointing to whenever sex issues are being discussed. No doubt Scandinavian Love is much freer and better than North American. In truth, this is what happens in a society when perverted sex becomes the new norm. 20 years later you need more perversion to keep it spicy, and down the slippery slope you go. "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." Hubert Horatio HUMPHREY "I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking." Woodrow WILSON Free speech may mean hearing things that make you uncomfortable. What's worse giving whack-jobs the right to speak their mind or a government that decides what can and cannot be said? We wouldn't have to put up with annoying free speech like this in China or Cuba...but then again most of us would already have mysteriously disappeared for expressing our thoughts like we do on this site. Following the wisdom of the Woodrow Wilson quote I posted, this is a golden opportunity for the Dutch police to monitor the activity of the party's supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 No surprise here. It's just a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 No surprise here. It's just a matter of time. We already allow single-interest political parties in this country. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyAC Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 No surprise here. It's just a matter of time. We already allow single-interest political parties in this country. So I'm not sure what you're getting at. Exactly we have several fringe parties in Canada. Let's see there's the Christian Heritage Party, the Marxist-Leninist Party, the Communist Party, the Natural Law party to name a few. Hell there are groups right now trying to replace Conservative candidates (some of them incumbants) with single issue, anti-SSM candidates and that's one of our major parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I completely concur with what Moron X said. I also think this guy in Holland trying to publicize his pedophile preferences is going to end up dead. He seems to have a death wish. It has been my experience working with these deviants that many of them have inner conflicts because they know their sexual urges are wrong. I think this idiot in Holland is typical of many child molesters. Part of him denies there is anything wrong and tries to make it sound normal, put another part inside him wants to get caught so the dummy goes public exposing himself to being caught. Part of me wants him strung up by his petunias (the non rational part) the other part is glad that at least he is out in the open so someone will hopefully watch this sicko. There is zero cure for this and the scary thing is most will not stay on sexual suppressant medication or think it is wrong. There have even been cases where persons have had their testes removed and they still go on to molest. Sick world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theloniusfleabag Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Dear Moron X, One particular bar in Calgary (i won't mention a name.....but it's very well known) is particualrly notorious for having a large number of girs that are under age in thier club.Don't keep us in the dark, lad, perhaps you should tell us the name, so I can...er...avoid it. By the way, your 3 posts thus far have been in threads with either 'pedophilia' or 'child spanking' in the title...is there something we should know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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