Trump's Threat Worked - Iran Caved

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nation states do not have "friends"...they have interests.   

I get it.... at the end of the day money talks.  Always has and always will.  

You need friends to make lots of money though...

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

I get it.... at the end of the day money talks.  Always has and always will.  

You need friends to make lots of money though...

 

Not friends...business partners...who have interests.

[paxamericana]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Iran has Trump by the shorties?

Fake news. It doesn’t. Iran is on its last leg. They had three potential leverage point , terror proxy, threatening gulf state to put pressure on America, closing straight of Hormuz. The first two leverage point failed face flat. Their only leverage now is closing the straight which hurts China the most who buys the most oil in that region. Over 30% of Chinese oil import goes through that straight.

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not friends...business partners...who have interests.

Ahhh...  just hard ass business partners huh. Most countries appear to be adapting to how this new business leader operates... they'll figure it out.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Ahhh...  just hard ass business partners huh. Most countries appear to be adapting to how this new business leader operates... they'll figure it out.

 

It's not really...just more obvious.   The business of America is...business.  Canada pushes the feel good "friends" relationship at its own peril, discounting the true nature of sharks.

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Fake news. It doesn’t. Iran is on its last leg. They had three potential leverage point , terror proxy, threatening gulf state to put pressure on America, closing straight of Hormuz. The first two leverage point failed face flat. Their only leverage now is closing the straight which hurts China the most who buys the most oil in that region. Over 30% of Chinese oil import goes through that straight.

Is it fake news at the gas pumps in your town?  Iran is on its last leg when.... the strait has been closed for about 6 weeks.  Actually, China is doing okay by building up and large oil reserves prior to this, and looking to countries like Canada who have grown exports there. They also got a huge clean energy system which has really helped them. Other Asian countries like the Philippines have taken a beating. 

[eyeball]

58 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Meaning the "world" will just sit on its hands while complaining about it.

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Hang back is a good option too - take the opportunity to learn from other's mistakes.

[LinkSoul60]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It's not really...just more obvious.   The business of America is...business.  Canada pushes the feel good "friends" relationship at its own peril, discounting the true nature of sharks.

I've spent more than half my life working in and with American business. I get it.  You interpret 'friends' as purely transactional, where most successful businesses treat 'friends' just as that, a business partner friend that you look for win/win situations with, not win/lose situations.  A transactional relationship only lasts for so long.

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hang back is a good option too - take the opportunity to learn from other's mistakes.

 

hang back = get out of the way

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 You interpret 'friends' as purely transactional, where most successful businesses treat 'friends' just as that, a business partner friend that you look for win/win situations with, not win/lose situations.  A transactional relationship only lasts for so long.

 

Nope...I prefer not to "anthropomorphize" business relationships.   That's why we have memorandums of understanding, contracts, NDAs, etc.  Trust has to be earned on a consistent basis, and business circumstances can quickly unravel the best of relationships.   

Also, the "enemy of my enemy being a friend" is purely transactional and not deserving of the label.

 

[paxamericana]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

A transactional relationship only lasts for so long.

Oh you won’t have to worry about US, Canada. Canada can trust America to be MORE than a simple transactional relations, you’re our 51st state. Canada just needs to be patient and wait its turn. 

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[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

get out of the way

Gladly, go for it.

[LinkSoul60]

58 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope...I prefer not to "anthropomorphize" business relationships.   That's why we have memorandums of understanding, contracts, NDAs, etc.  Trust has to be earned on a consistent basis, and business circumstances can quickly unravel the best of relationships.   

Also, the "enemy of my enemy being a friend" is purely transactional and not deserving of the label.

 

I had to look up 'anthropomorphize', but I get the rest, even 'friends' do that.  Curious, if you only view the relationship as win/lose, how do you get that trust.  He's going to do what he's going to do anyway so like every business relationship with their separate objectives, always do whats best for your business. 

Not following.... "enemy of my enemy being a friend"

Edited April 11 by LinkSoul60

[LinkSoul60]

41 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Oh you won’t have to worry about US, Canada. Canada can trust America to be MORE than a simple transactional relations, you’re our 51st state. Canada just needs to be patient and wait its turn. 

Before that happens, Doug Ford will close the Detroit River and you'll be screwed again. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 Curious, if you only view the relationship as win/lose, how do you get that trust.  He's going to do what he's going to do anyway so like every business relationship with their separate objectives, always do whats best for your business. 

 

I don't view it as win/lose in business...just the agreed/desired outcome for both sides.  Trust is earned through consistent actions and follow through.  My friendships are not dependent on how useful a person is...this is not the same as a business transaction.  People can be friends...prime ministers can be friends...nation states, not so much.

 

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Not following.... "enemy of my enemy being a friend"

 

Just pointing out that the label "friend" means little when adversaries join to defeat a common enemy (e.g. Soviets and U.S. were not "friends" even when allied during WW2.).

I would posit that trust between Iran and the U.S./Israel is nonexistent, making it harder to make arms deals stick.   They will certainly not be "friends".

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Before that happens, Doug Ford will close the Detroit River and you'll be screwed again. 

Typical Canadian terrorist, gracious orange man offers you protection and wealth, Canada respond with threats of death and destruction to America.
 

 

Edited April 11 by paxamericana

[Legato]

9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

'According to the US director of National Counterterrorism it wasn't imminent.'

That's not an assertion...  I knew the fact he said that.

He said and you fell for it. Well done.

[John Stone]

A carrier battle group (CVBG) is a naval fleet that includes a carrier and essential supporting ships for defense and resupply – several cruisers, destroyers and possibly a fast attack. The so-called skimmers are employed as screens for the capital ship(s). At first blush a carrier would appear to be invulnerable to attack – possibly in a conventional conflict – but this belief is laughable in a major struggle where tac-nukes are employed. 

Recently a Nimitz class screen was penetrated and theoretically sunk  by a conventional sub,  HSwMS Gotland. 

The strategy attacking a carrier is to disable ............... not so much sink.  (list, elevators, cat)

Laughable to hear Trump talk about the new Navy and his plan to build battleships?? Donny shake ur head, BB went out of vogue post-Pearl. 

[paxamericana]

10 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

the strait has been closed for about 6 weeks

The Iranian terrorist isn't going to let that go, that's their only leverage point. The increase in energy cost is no where near the level it would have been had America acted anytime earlier. We are now energy independent, yes prices goes up but at least we can even buy it. The shortages of the 1970 oil strangle hold the middle east has on America is no more. That's what this war signifies. The longer the straight stays closed, the worse off it will be for the Chinese, European and Asians. Not so much America. And lastly, the president  has authority with the flick of a pen, no committee , no congress, the ability to shut off all export. So prices are only reflective of American participation in the global energy market. Not it's absence. 

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I don't view it as win/lose in business...just the agreed/desired outcome for both sides.

So we're aligned... any successful business relationship, or in this case trade relationship has the common desired goal of win/win for both parties.  Don't misinterpret the meaning of 'friend' in this context.... maybe a better way to phrase is a 'trusted' and collaborative partner.

9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Just pointing out that the label "friend" means little when adversaries join to defeat a common enemy (e.g. Soviets and U.S. were not "friends" even when allied during WW2.).

I would posit that trust between Iran and the U.S./Israel is nonexistent, making it harder to make arms deals stick.   They will certainly not be "friends".

Ahhhh, got it....  

[LinkSoul60]

5 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Typical Canadian terrorist, gracious orange man offers you protection and wealth, Canada respond with threats of death and destruction to America.
 

 

The offer has been graciously declined, but we're certainly not in the position to respond with 'threats of death and destruction to America'.  You seem to forget that the vast majority of Canadian's like/love our southern neighbours. The same vast majority though just have a strong dislike for the orange guy....who has the effect on most people.

4 hours ago, Legato said:

He said and you fell for it. Well done.

And because of your inability to think critically, you disregard it.  TDS

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The Iranian terrorist isn't going to let that go, that's their only leverage point.

Congrats, you finally caught on to what I've said.  And a very effective leverage point to boot don't you think!

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The increase in energy cost is no where near the level it would have been had America acted anytime earlier.

Lol...  you just validate how Trump got the votes he did to become president again.  Trump inflation is way better than Biden inflation 💪

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

We are now energy independent, yes prices goes up but at least we can even buy it.

Don't forget the ~4 billion barrels we send you daily for that energy 'independence'.  Fyi...the higher you buy the higher it resells for....to you.

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

The longer the straight stays closed, the worse off it will be for the Chinese, European and Asians. Not so much America.

You really need to read more about China and how they have far outperforming the US in critical technologies, and in this case clean renewable energy.  Asian countries are getting kicked now and Europe is feeling it, but circle back to its desire to still engage with the US, just better diversify itself away from.  You keep saying America is fine.... gather you haven't been to the gas pump or grocery store lately, or will be going in the months ahead.

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

And lastly, the president  has authority with the flick of a pen, no committee , no congress, the ability to shut off all export. So prices are only reflective of American participation in the global energy market. Not it's absence. 

Well, Iran seems to have a better ability of shutting off exports than your guy does.

Talk all you want about American participation or non-participation....  oil is a globally commodity and costs the US the same as everyone else.  But again, Trump inflation is way better than Biden's so you guys are knocking it out of the park 👍

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

And you got a bad case of TDS....

Wow, are you ever stupid.

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Don't need to hear propaganda when all I have to do its drive by a gas station or read today's US CPI report.

Would you rather pay a bit extra for gas for 2 months now to avoid a nuclear war later?

FYI gas was this high under Biden and he wasn't winning a war or preventng a nuclear war... He was just f'ing up. 

Your opinion is worthless. 

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow, are you ever stupid.

I'm nowhere near your status Champ...

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Would you rather pay a bit extra for gas for 2 months now to avoid a nuclear war later?

FYI gas was this high under Biden and he wasn't winning a war or preventng a nuclear war... He was just f'ing up. 

Your opinion is worthless. 

But Iran's nuclear capabilities were 'totally and completely obliterated' in June.  That's what I heard...

There was this thing called a pandemic that took oil capacity off the market, but when global demand accelerated supply constraints drove the price.  Biden didn't cause the pandemic and high oil prices then. Trump's choice for an unnecessary war has caused the price escalations now.  

My opinion is worthless to you because you're a Trump Dick Sucker (TDS), from Langley to boot. 

[paxamericana]

18 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

globally

It’s this word that you all keep saying but not understanding. The days of a globalist America is over. It’s Make America interest first. There is no global interest.