building Chinese cars here in Canada....

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Fentanyl was just an excuse and we all know that. And not even excuse he can keep up.

And yet you blame Carney for not kissing his ass.

In the meantime are you suggesting Trump's other tariffs are justified? 

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No, successful negotiation has nothing to do with kissing ass.

Yup, your position has to do with your need for shits and giggles.

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As carney has learned, he thinks like you do and that negotiating is all about kissing ass. He gave Donald everything and Donald gave him more tariffs and headaches. It didn't work

LMAO! You still think Trump sends Ottawa an invoice don't you? It's like you have to kiss your own ass when you're a pretzel.

Whatever Carney gave Trump it wasn't the farm or a peck on the cheek. It was actually more like a handful of negotiated concessions.

One thing we can all count on for sure is that you'll treat even the slightest conciliatory concession Canada makes as kowtowing,  bending the knee, kissing the ass etc etc.

It's what pretzels do.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And yet you blame Carney for not kissing his ass.

Carney DID kiss his ass. Gave him everything he asked for and got increased tariffs in return. 

Carney caved so often he needs a miner's headlamp

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

In the meantime are you suggesting Trump's other tariffs are justified? 

"justified" isn't an appropriate word, nations tariff based on what they perceive the benefits and disadvantatges are to their own nation. The problem is that trump felt the tariffs benefitted his nation and because carney kept rolling over trump saw no downside or penalty to implementing them. He knew he could impose them and Carney would still give him everything he wanted

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yup, your position has to do with your need for shits and giggles.

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. That's not my position, it's a simple fact.

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

LMAO! You still think Trump sends Ottawa an invoice don't you? It's like you have to kiss your own ass when you're a pretzel.

Whatever Carney gave Trump it wasn't the farm or a peck on the cheek. It was actually more like a handful of negotiated concessions.

You always have these little emotional breakdowns when you realize you're wrong. Or when you're drinking. Perhaps in this case both

Nobody said anything about invoices. Carney believed that the best negotiating tactic was to cave immediately and give trump everything he wanted.  

You call it 'concessions', but the fact is it's ONLY a concession if you GET something in return.   And what we got is more tariffs.  Trump significantly increased the tariffs on us. He saw carney as weak and walked all over him. 

So it wasn't a concession.

Carney misread trump. He obviously thought that trump is kind to those who bow their head to him. So he heaped him with gifts and praise. But he went too far and trump saw it as weakness

So we're going to get a really shitty deal out of this. And the reason for that is carney is absolutely crap at negotiating and has no experience with politics

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And the reason for that is carney is absolutely crap at negotiating and has no experience with politics

You obviously don't and won't be able to understand.... but calling someone crap at negotiating when the outcome of that negotiation hasn't even concluded doesn't make a lot of sense.  What are you judging 'crap' on.... giving up the DST that was contentious anyway, or removing counter tariffs that only hurt our cost of goods?  

It appears that the common sense rule of not agreeing to a deal unless that deal benefits you is difficult to understand, or better said you're willing to admit.  Making the logical assumption that the US is asking for more than we're willing to concede tells me Carney's doing the right thing, and is not going to concede anything unless there isn't a trade-off benefit elsewhere.  His bad if he put any timelines on a deal (?) but so what... make sure it's the right deal for Canada.  

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You obviously don't and won't be able to understand.... but calling someone crap at negotiating when the outcome of that negotiation hasn't even concluded doesn't make a lot of sense.  

 

Those negotiations DID conclude.  You suck at this worse than him.  I'll try to walk you through it slowly 

Initially trump invited all countries to come to the negotiating table and discuss his NEW tariffs.  Several countries negotiated an understanding and rate that they could live with and worked out a deal. 

Carney also initiated negotiations and advised that he expected to have a deal on those items not covered by CUSMA by July.  well,  he actually said earlier but when that failed he really sold July. 

America in Canada entered into extensive negotiations.

In the end those negotiations failed And talks broken off. Those negotiations concluded with no deal. Trump said he was ending negotiations until the Cusma review where negotiations would begin again and would now include Cusma

So all of the things that carney gave trump, all of his kind words and all of his capitulation resulted in a failure and instead trump imposed additional tariffs on us and the talks failed.

That was the conclusion. We pay more tariffs and got nothing

Now he will begin a new negotiation and I suspect that not only are we going to be stuck with the tariffs we have but many of our kusma products will be tariffed as well. It's also quite possible we walk away without a deal here as well. 

That turns out to be the case then that will be his second failure.

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

It appears that the common sense rule of not agreeing to a deal unless that deal benefits you is difficult to understand,

That is one of the stupidest things you've said and that was up against some stiff competition

We deal with the united states. Trump has already set the deal. The deal is what he gave us where Our goods are tariffs and our trade is therefore restricted. This is already resulted in massive auto layoffs and other Industrial and commercial slowdowns were shut downs

So that is our deal. That is the deal that carney has currently negotiated. That is happening right now

Carney utterly failed to deliver a deal when he said he would and as a result the deal that Donald imposed upon us is killing our economy. Not sure how you think that somehow good for our economy but whatever.

I suspect at the rate we're going things will be even worse after the Cusma negotiations. We will probably lose some or all of supply management, experience higher tariffs on more goods and that's if we get a deal in place at all

But what your teeny tiny little mind cannot grasp is that no deal is still a deal. One way or another we have to deal with the US and whether we have a formal agreement or not the terms and conditions they set are what we have to live with.

So it's not a question of not agreeing to a bad deal, we have already agreed to a bad deal.

[LinkSoul60]

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Those negotiations DID conclude.  You suck at this worse than him.  I'll try to walk you through it slowly 

Initially trump invited all countries to come to the negotiating table and discuss his NEW tariffs.  Several countries negotiated an understanding and rate that they could live with and worked out a deal. 

Carney also initiated negotiations and advised that he expected to have a deal on those items not covered by CUSMA by July.  well,  he actually said earlier but when that failed he really sold July. 

America in Canada entered into extensive negotiations.

In the end those negotiations failed And talks broken off. Those negotiations concluded with no deal. Trump said he was ending negotiations until the Cusma review where negotiations would begin again and would now include Cusma

So all of the things that carney gave trump, all of his kind words and all of his capitulation resulted in a failure and instead trump imposed additional tariffs on us and the talks failed.

That was the conclusion. We pay more tariffs and got nothing

Now he will begin a new negotiation and I suspect that not only are we going to be stuck with the tariffs we have but many of our kusma products will be tariffed as well. It's also quite possible we walk away without a deal here as well. 

That turns out to be the case then that will be his second failure.

That is one of the stupidest things you've said and that was up against some stiff competition

We deal with the united states. Trump has already set the deal. The deal is what he gave us where Our goods are tariffs and our trade is therefore restricted. This is already resulted in massive auto layoffs and other Industrial and commercial slowdowns were shut downs

So that is our deal. That is the deal that carney has currently negotiated. That is happening right now

Carney utterly failed to deliver a deal when he said he would and as a result the deal that Donald imposed upon us is killing our economy. Not sure how you think that somehow good for our economy but whatever.

I suspect at the rate we're going things will be even worse after the Cusma negotiations. We will probably lose some or all of supply management, experience higher tariffs on more goods and that's if we get a deal in place at all

But what your teeny tiny little mind cannot grasp is that no deal is still a deal. One way or another we have to deal with the US and whether we have a formal agreement or not the terms and conditions they set are what we have to live with.

So it's not a question of not agreeing to a bad deal, we have already agreed to a bad deal.

LMAO... so you suggest the bend over approach too, for 'Donald'.  BTW, that's cute...

Stiff competition, you're a fool... Our trading relationship with the US is solid except where Trump has imposed the high tariffs. That's whats being negotiated. Whatever else they're negotiating, of course you think he'll fail... you want him to.

I knew it would be a waste of time throwing common sense at you.  Hack away 🤡...

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42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That was the conclusion. We pay more tariffs and got nothing

We must have gotten an invoice then.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody said anything about invoices.

Why not? No one even got a receipt?

[Moonbox]

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

We must have gotten an invoice then.

Goes right over his head.  😆

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

LMAO... so you suggest the bend over approach too, for 'Donald'.  BTW, that's cute...

LOL - oh dear, it's so early in the morning and i've broken you entirely already   It's not even noon and you're crying already  

The bend over approach is what carney did. As i've said it's been disastrous. It doesn't work. 

And i was clear about that but because you're so emotionally  hurt over the obvious fact carney effed it up you pretend that carney's stragegy is what -I- think he should do which is the opposite of what i said   

You poor broken little man. Honestly i wasn't TRYING to destroy you emotionally  

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

We must have gotten an invoice then.

 

Actually we did.  Canadian businesses shouldered the tariffs for the first half of last year hoping there'd be a resolution.  Then they couldn't, so now they're broke AND selling less product. 

I get your point, but the reality is one way or another the tariffs cost us.  Or did you think it makes our businesses more profitable some how?

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why not? No one even got a receipt?

Lots of people got receipts.  What people aren't getting now is paycheques. 

But you know that. so instead of dealing with the truth you try to distract on a tangent to stick up for your beloved leader who's done nothing to help, Carney. 

56 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Goes right over his head.  😆

LOL oh look who showed up to say nothing useful and try to massage his broken ego again  

How's the math lesson's going big guy? 

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - oh dear, it's so early in the morning and i've broken you entirely already   It's not even noon and you're crying already  

The bend over approach is what carney did. As i've said it's been disastrous. It doesn't work. 

And i was clear about that but because you're so emotionally  hurt over the obvious fact carney effed it up you pretend that carney's stragegy is what -I- think he should do which is the opposite of what i said   

You poor broken little man. Honestly i wasn't TRYING to destroy you emotionally  

For someone with an obvious lack of intellect, you sure do have a high opinion of yourself in thinking you're always winning with everyone, when you're continually falling flat on your face.  

Has "Donald" made any news today, or are you checking in on him later?

Like all your schtick...  lot's of mindless chirping with nothing to back it up.

Still waiting on the affordability links.  Maybe include them with Carney's $1B expense summary that you also haven't sent yet.

LMAO..  little Fxx, what a 🤡

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

For someone with an obvious lack of intellect, you sure do have a high opinion of yourself in thinking you're always winning with everyone, when you're continually falling flat on your face.  

Well I hate to argue with the facts  

Three times in a row I said that carney pulled the bend over approach and that I felt it was the wrong approach. And your first comment was that i like the bend over approach  

Kid you don't need any kind of grand intellect to see that you're either stupid or emotionally repressed and unable to deal with the facts. Possibly both    It's absolutely hilarious to watch

And that's the sad thing here, Inconsiderably smarter than you is nothing to actually brag about. It's like successfully outwitting a basset hound

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Has "Donald" made any news today, or are you checking in on him later?

I have no idea and if he has I'm sure I'll see him one of the news feeds.  That as a mind meltingly dumb question.  You're really falling apart now aren't you 

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Like all your schtick...  lot's of mindless chirping with nothing to back it up.

You mean other than the specific examples I gave at length? Yeah, aside from a whole bunch of facts, nothing  

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Still waiting on the affordability links.

No you're not. They're right there where they always work, including charts and math to make it easy for you, and even including some of the your own links that you posted and I noted where I took that from

But you're really saying is you don't like the truth and you're just going to pretend it doesn't exist I hope it goes away

Very liberal of you. Also very four-year-old of you. It says a lot about the liberals

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Well I hate to argue with the facts  

Three times in a row I said that carney pulled the bend over approach and that I felt it was the wrong approach. And your first comment was that i like the bend over approach  

Kid you don't need any kind of grand intellect to see that you're either stupid or emotionally repressed and unable to deal with the facts. Possibly both    It's absolutely hilarious to watch

And that's the sad thing here, Inconsiderably smarter than you is nothing to actually brag about. It's like successfully outwitting a basset hound

I have no idea and if he has I'm sure I'll see him one of the news feeds.  That as a mind meltingly dumb question.  You're really falling apart now aren't you 

You mean other than the specific examples I gave at length? Yeah, aside from a whole bunch of facts, nothing  

No you're not. They're right there where they always work, including charts and math to make it easy for you, and even including some of the your own links that you posted and I noted where I took that from

But you're really saying is you don't like the truth and you're just going to pretend it doesn't exist I hope it goes away

Very liberal of you. Also very four-year-old of you. It says a lot about the liberals

Lol... you never have anything other than your typical nonsense do you.  Pull it out of your áss, say it a few times, and next thing you know it's real and you've 'won' 😂

And yes, I'm sure it was quite affordable for you living in your parents basement back then, and probably today...   If you can't back up what your little mind thinks and says, don't spew it 🤡

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I get your point, but the reality is one way or another the tariffs cost us.

Sure, tariffs on our goods hurt exporters but tariffs on imports hurt everyone.

If you're happiest when everyone is hurting it just is what it is.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Lol... you never have anything other than your typical nonsense do you.

I post facts and figures and sources and sometimes even use your sources but the reality is the only way you could mentally cope with being wrong is to deny that. And that's pathetic

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, tariffs on our goods hurt exporters

Oh so what i said initially was correct. Thank god you took the time to argue it wasn't 🙄🙄🙄

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 

but tariffs on imports hurt everyone.

Sort of.  they always hurt the us sellers.  But they often cause the consumer here to look at alternatives.  In short tariffs hurt the selling country more than the buying country. 

And the point there is to cause them a lot of pain for a little pain of your own to force changes.  If the americans right now had an even LOWER economy and were facing even MORE inflation and losing more trade money they would be pressuring Trump harder to find a deal. 

That's the point. You hurt the other guy more than you and it motivates them

Canadians banning us booze has been more effective than anything carney has done for example. 

it's a war.  In war you take some hits, but as long as you're hitting back harder you'll win. 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh so what i said initially was correct

I doubt it given Trump has put tariffs on practically everyone else too.

 

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's the point. You hurt the other guy more than you and it motivates them

Except Trump is doing such a good job of hurting America himself there's little point adding more pain on ourselves. Like I said if we did that you'd be crying like a baby out one side of your mouth and cheering that it's all Carney's fault.

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Canadians banning us booze has been more effective than anything carney has done for example. 

I told you that months ago, along with boycotting travel and US goods where possible. These have done enough that Carney doesn't need to do apply a new consumer tax on us.

Again, your only real interest here is to blame Carney for everything. Which is fine but essentially pointless.

[CdnFox]

44 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt it given Trump has put tariffs on practically everyone else too.

Carney says that we shouldn't have tariffs on everything. And he's going to get us a better deal than we have right now.

I mean that's the whole point right? That's carney's whole thing, don't do a deal unless it's better for us.

Except the deal won't be better. we'll keep the tariffs we've got and wind up with a bunch of new ones, and quite possibly no actual deal at all which will mean massive uncertainty and limits to investment in canada. 

Our economy is going to severely underperform for at least 3 or 4 years and you'll blame everyone in the universe except the man responsible for it, Carney. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

I mean that's the whole point right? That's carney's whole thing, don't do a deal unless it's better for us.

Except the deal won't be better.

Only because it's Carney. There is nothing in the universe that will ever give you pause to consider anything could be better under Carney.

You are incapable of anything other than pure contempt for Liberals, Carney, the left and of course any other right winger that's...given pause to consider.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Only because it's Carney.

 

If your point is that carney is incompetent and that's why we won't get a good deal then yes. You are correct.

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There is nothing in the universe that will ever give you pause to consider anything could be better under Carney.

Well show me something that's better under carney and we'll see how it goes. So far that would be nothing

 

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You are incapable of anything other than pure contempt for Liberals, Carney, the left and of course any other right winger that's...given pause to consider.

No you're just like to say that because you can't defend your arguments so you're trying to make the fact that you're wrong somehow my fault. You do that all the time

You are the closest here. I have criticized conservative leaders including the current one many times, and I have praised things done in the past by liberals that were of value. I've even gone so far as to say that Justin was quite right with the dope laws and that it should have been a conservative position as well.

But the sad reality is Justin never left us with anything better. The entire country is worse for him being in power. I'm pretty much every single level. And we're currently on the same course with Carney. Nothing is better, so far he's just a slightly better polished version of Trudeau and is making the same mistakes

 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If your point is that carney is incompetent and that's why we won't get a good deal then yes. You are correct.

Well that's not point so.

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well show me something that's better under carney and we'll see how it goes. So far that would be nothing

Nothing you say? Ok, since you're the one saying things would be better if we had to pay more for everything. How much more until you'd be crying how bad you have it under Carney?

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I've even gone so far as to say that Justin was quite right with the dope laws and that it should have been a conservative position as well.

Yup. And don't forget he didn't kill ten times as many Canadians during COVID by acting like President fùcknuts.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Well that's not point so.

It should be, it would be the only one you made that was true

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Nothing you say? Ok, since you're the one saying things would be better if we had to pay more for everything. How much more until you'd be crying how bad you have it under Carney?

It would have been right up to about 6 months ago when we would have actually managed to get a deal with trump.

In the meantime I doubt it would have noticed it. I would have looked for Alternatives to American Products or I would have done without for the most part, and where I couldn't I would have paid a tiny bit more.

Which would have been a hell of a lot better than the crap economy we've got and borrowing 80 to 100 billion dollars a year

 

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Yup. And don't forget he didn't kill ten times as many Canadians during COVID by acting like President fùcknuts.

For the most of covid Biden was in power, and trump didn't kill anyone.  If you want to look at killers check out "send them back to the nursing homes while they're still sick' cuomo, et al.  The responses were mostly at the state level, just as it was mostly provincial in canada 

But you were, make up a few lies if you think it'll help you score a point. So far it's not working out well for you but you never know

[eyeball]

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It should be, it would be the only one you made that was true

And since you're the one who's made it go talk to your mirror about it.

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It would have been right up to about 6 months ago when we would have actually managed to get a deal with trump.

There is no dealing with Trump only caving and bending.

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

In the meantime I doubt it would have noticed it. I would have looked for Alternatives to American Products or I would have done without for the most part, and where I couldn't I would have paid a tiny bit more.

While complaining bitterly and constantly about the shitty deal Carney got us.

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

For the most of covid Biden was in power, and trump didn't kill anyone.  If you want to look at killers check out "send them back to the nursing homes while they're still sick' cuomo, et al. 

That was on Trump's watch.

33 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The responses were mostly at the state level, just as it was mostly provincial in canada 

On Biden's watch far more Americans died in Red counties that voted for Trump.

Partisan divide in COVID-19 deaths widened as more vaccines became available

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Canada's death toll would have been far higher had we been under Conservative government.

Just as I'm certain we'd be labouring under a shitty deal with Trump if Poilievre was in power. We'd probably be on our third deal given what a worthless welcher America has become.

Meanwhile you'd be like...

Edited April 25 by eyeball

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I post facts and figures and sources and sometimes even use your sources but the reality is the only way you could mentally cope with being wrong is to deny that. And that's pathetic

Then send me the links...  You can't because there are no facts, just your usual pull it out of the backend anti left thinking.

I'm coping just fine... are you.  You sound defensive.... were you having a mini-meltdown while typing that? 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Then send me the links...  

Already did. In fact many, and charts as well. 

You know you're wrong, so you just keep asking for the same thing over and over no matter how many times i give them to you. You're the worst kind of liar. 

If you've got a problem with them go back and look at them and tell me which is untrue.  You can't. 

The lower mainland was expensive but affordable during harper's time. It isn't now. Cry harder 

And you're obviously crumbling emotionally, it's pretty bad. Not just with me but with others too.  It's like your whole persona shatters apart when you realize the liberals were the ones who screwed up Canada to its current state. But they were. 

[LinkSoul60]

51 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Already did. In fact many, and charts as well. 

You know you're wrong, so you just keep asking for the same thing over and over no matter how many times i give them to you. You're the worst kind of liar. 

If you've got a problem with them go back and look at them and tell me which is untrue.  You can't. 

The lower mainland was expensive but affordable during harper's time. It isn't now. Cry harder 

And you're obviously crumbling emotionally, it's pretty bad. Not just with me but with others too.  It's like your whole persona shatters apart when you realize the liberals were the ones who screwed up Canada to its current state. But they were. 

You're pathological...  Pull whatever you can out of your âss, say it 3 times and next thing you know it's real.  And then... everyone has lost yet again and are having an emotional breakdown.  Classic Fxx.