Trump has Destroyed 80 Years of Stable Government Foreign Relations Because He Let Stephen Miller and Russel Vought Control Foreign Policy

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

............ arguably what is pathetically sad is that he has lost his ability to lie effectively - 'the king  has no clothes'

Any leader that can't be believed (trusted?) - can't lead effectively. 

 

Maybe, but this is Trump's (second and last) presidency...he will do it his way with no need to apologize.  He was elected to break things...both times.

[John Stone]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Maybe, but this is Trump's (second and last) presidency...he will do it his way with no need to apologize.  He was elected to break things...both times.

indeed - elections have consequences................. Weimar Republic, 1933? 

No doubt,  'Trump's breakage' will be generational tho ............ it is designed to be so (judicial) 

The loss of 'trust' is difficult to quantify.................... but arguably possessing  the most consequence. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, John Stone said:

indeed - elections have consequences................. Weimar Republic, 1933? 

No doubt,  'Trump's breakage' will be generational tho ............ it is designed to be so (judicial) 

The loss of 'trust' is difficult to quantify.................... but arguably possessing  the most consequence. 

 

 

Elections have consequences - Barack Obama (2008)

Trust is overrated...."Trust...but verify" - Ronald Reagan (arms limitations treaties)

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Elections have consequences - Barack Obama (2008)

Oh yeah Obama was so terrible, inherited an economy that absolutely economically destroyed under bush/cheney and republican congress and their failing foreign wars left it in good shape for Donald Trump while making healthcare accessible to tens of millions of citizens along the way. How terrible 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Elections have consequences - Barack Obama (2008)

Trust is overrated...."Trust...but verify" - Ronald Reagan (arms limitations treaties)

................ no honor amongst thieves ............ or an  adversary. 

[BeaverFever]

What’s hilarious is that the Republicans claim to be so concerned about the budget and the deficit they routinely don’t pay air traffic controllers or airport security personnel but they don’t even bat an eyelash at spending a billion dollars a day for an open-ended and unnecessary war of choice with no clear objective or plan or congressional authorization. Its just “oh well whatevs lol”

 

Edited April 3 by BeaverFever

[John Stone]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

What’s hilarious is that the Republicans claim to be so concerned about the budget and the deficit they routinely don’t pay air traffic controllers or airport security personnel but they don’t even bat an eyelash at spending a billion dollars a day for an open-ended and unnecessary war of choice with no clear objective or plan or congressional authorization. Its just “oh well whatevs lol”

 

The objective now is likely negotiated settlement - the terms - Trump will tell us. 

He did mention a reasonable solution tho - negotiated settlement  and constant  surveillance.

If it gets to that, why  the fk was the 'war of choice' required??

JCPOA looms large - likely nothing even half as good will be negotiated (rhetoric notwithstanding). 

Claim  victory, blame Biden, the Left, Obama, Congress,  and God almighty ..............blame the military (Pentagon  Pete), NATO, allies, Canada, Greenland, Biden, Obama (repeat as necessary)................. avoid NK (drones), Russia (surveillance), China ( transit). 

What a circus!! 

[robosmith]

On 3/30/2026 at 3:40 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'd love to see what their idea of a "legal war" is lol

Was Biden's plan to send a formal letter to the UN, requesting permission to meet Iranian troops behind the school, after the bell?

• "Ok, Khomenei-Pop, you listen here... I plainly whispered "don't", THREE TIMES, with my eyes mostly closed, and you clearly DID! Now I've had it with your malarkey! I am formally offering you the opportunity to come out behind the woodshed with me, where I was gonna take Trump! You can take the first shot, you dog-faced pony jihadi, an' them I'm gonna rattle you upside the head with muh chain!"

And why don't I hear robobigot bemoaning the undisclosed intentions of Hamas on Oct 6th... 

"You don't need to get permission from the UN just to sneak across the border and burn some babies to death, and r4pe-murder some b1tches, you just need permission to hit radar installations and other military targets, and also to kill beloved father-figures who are just having some harmless little genocide-planning sessions." - robobigot. 

Thanks for displaying your complete IGNORANCE about what happened.

The FACT is, Netanyahu KNEW about HAMAS plans, which could have been easily stopped if the IDF wasn't off in the West Bank helping settlers steal more Palestinian land. A few hundred IDF soldiers could have defended Israelis INSTEAD. It is OBVIOUS that Israel ignored the threat to start a much bigger war of retribution.

[robosmith]

On 3/30/2026 at 3:48 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Obama increased U.S. special forces and regulars on the ground without Congressional approval for Libya and Syria.   Trump hasn't even done that in Iran...yet.

The Trump haters refuse to admit or understand American interventionist history going back over 100 years...because hating Trump is all that matters.

Even President Carter invaded Iran with a failed rescue attempt (Operation Eagle Claw).

This is what U.S. president do...it is in the job description.

You're LYING. A rescue mission is NOT an "invasion," since they had NO PLANS TO STAY. Duh

And you have NO EVIDENCE for the rest of ^this claptrap. Obama's mission in Iraq was AIR SUPPORT for the rebels.

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President Obama authorized military action in Libya in March 2011, officially framed as a humanitarian mission to protect civilians from Muammar Gaddafi's forces. The U.S.-led, and later NATO-led, mission included air strikes, enforcing a no-fly zone, and providing intelligence, which functionally supported the rebel opposition to dismantle the regime. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Key aspects of the 2011 Libyan intervention:

• Mission Goal: The primary stated objective was preventing a massacre of civilians in Benghazi, authorized by UN Security Council Resolution 1973.
• Nature of Support: U.S. forces conducted strikes to destroy Gaddafi’s air defenses and launched drone strikes, while providing intelligence, reconnaissance, and in-air refueling for NATO forces.
• Covert Aid: President Obama secretly authorized covert assistance and intelligence gathering to help the rebels fighting to overthrow Col. Gaddafi.
• Limited Role: The Obama administration, while seeking to neutralize Gaddafi's military assets, maintained a policy of "no ground troops". [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

While described by the administration as a limited humanitarian mission, the military operations effectively served as air support that assisted the rebels in taking over the country. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

And you have NO EVIDENCE for the rest of ^this claptrap. Obama's mission in Iraq was AIR SUPPORT for the rebels.

 

 

Obama's mission was to bomb the crap out of U.S. and ally's enemies, and he did just that, including ground forces in theatre.   But nevermind the facts...Obama GOOD...Orange Man BAD !

 

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President Obama, along with NATO allies, intervened in Libya in 2011, initially authorized by the UN to protect civilians, but ultimately shifting to support rebel forces that ousted and killed Muammar Gaddafi. This pivot from a humanitarian mission to supporting regime change, without a post-intervention plan, is often cited as a betrayal of stability.

 

Edited April 3 by bush_cheney2004

[robosmith]

19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Obama's mission was to bomb the crap out of U.S. and ally's enemies, and he did just that, including ground forces in theatre.   But nevermind the facts...Obama GOOD...Orange Man BAD !

I posted EVIDENCE; there was no invasion of Libya by US.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I posted EVIDENCE; there was no invasion of Libya by US.

 

 

Obama invaded Libya with six months of bombing, arming rebels, and seeking regime change for a supposed "humanitarian mission".   But that's OK...because TRUMP !!!

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Obama invaded Libya with six months of bombing, arming rebels, and seeking regime change for a supposed "humanitarian mission".   But that's OK...because TRUMP !!!

Air support is NOT INVASION, just like a rescue mission is NOT.

Just wait until Trump hits the ground in Iran and you'll find out.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

Air support is NOT INVASION, just like a rescue mission is NOT.

Just wait until Trump hits the ground in Iran and you'll find out.

 

Then Trump has not invaded Iran yet either...so what's your problem ?   Why can Obama bomb countries but Trump can't ?    Because....TRUMP !!!

[eyeball]

On 4/2/2026 at 3:30 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's fine, but in practice, presidents have consistently challenged the constitutional validity, with an emphasis on ground troops, not air or naval power.  Congress is certainly MIA, just like before.

Just like voters want it according to the Framers, apparently.

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Just like voters want it according to the Framers, apparently.

 

USA's 250th birthday is this year...we love fireworks !

 

Fighting you guys back in 1812....

And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Fighting you guys back in 1812....

And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,

It was glorious wasn't it. It was probably the only time you picked on someone your size on your own.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, eyeball said:

It was glorious wasn't it. It was probably the only time you picked on someone your size on your own.

 

Actually, Britain/Canada was far larger, but it was certainly worth it.   

Who's their daddy now ?

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Actually, Britain/Canada was far larger, but it was certainly worth it.   

Who's their daddy now ?

China, so they tell me.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

China, so they tell me.

 

Hope you enjoy all those Chinese EVs.

[eyeball]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Hope you enjoy all those Chinese EVs.

Don't worry, I plan on buying an EV ASAP.

[robosmith]

On 4/3/2026 at 3:18 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Then Trump has not invaded Iran yet either...so what's your problem ?   Why can Obama bomb countries but Trump can't ?    Because....TRUMP !!!

Obama was seeking to protect REBELS from slaughter by the Libyan army.

Trump is SLAUGHTERING the Iran State leadership, which is a WAR CRIME.

ONLY Ayatollah Ali Khamenei may have been a legitimate target among the 40+ who were assassinated.

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The targeting of Iranian state leadership on February 28, 2026, which resulted in the death of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has sparked significant international debate regarding war crimes and the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC). [1, 2]

The legal status of targeting state leaders depends on specific criteria under international humanitarian law (IHL): [1]

• Legitimate Military Targets: Under the Department of Defense Law of War Manual, leaders who exercise operational command or control of armed forces (such as a Commander-in-Chief) are considered legitimate targets in wartime. Experts note that Ayatollah Khamenei’s role as the head of the military may have rendered him a lawful target.
• Prohibited "Treacherous Killing": While targeted killing of a military leader is not inherently a war crime, "treacherous killing"—which involves perfidy, such as feigning protected status (e.g., using a Red Cross emblem)—is strictly prohibited by the Hague Regulations.
• Civilian Immunity: Leaders with purely civilian functions, such as those in health or interior ministries, are generally exempt from attack unless they take a direct part in hostilities.
• International Prosecution: On April 6, 2026, the International Criminal Court (ICC) reportedly issued an official summons for President Donald Trump and other high-ranking officials to answer for alleged war crimes linked to the offensive in Iran. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

IOW, "Obama bad" because he's a Democrat. 🤮

[Legato]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Obama was seeking to protect REBELS from slaughter by the Libyan army.

Trump is SLAUGHTERING the Iran State leadership, which is a WAR CRIME.

ONLY Ayatollah Ali Khamenei may have been a legitimate target among the 40+ who were assassinated.

IOW, "Obama bad" because he's a Democrat. 🤮

 

[robosmith]

1 minute ago, Legato said:

 

Do you know the difference between deporting immigrants CAUGHT at the border and those who've been living and working here for decades?

For one thing, it is difficult to mistake US citizens for immigrants when they are caught sneaking across the border.

Despite right winger DENIAL, ICE has arrested NUMEROUS US Citizens ILLEGALLY.

AKA your STUPID meme is LYING.

[Legato]

Where they are and how long is moot.

Still East of the pyramids.