LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: 1. Not scared...but definitely respectful. And that's called "common sense". 2. Good grief. Are you this thick? Im talking about all the resources Russia has. 3. The Americas, Asia and Russia. 3 hours ago, robosmith said: Of course anyone should be respectful of nuclear weapons but that doesn't explain why he kowtows to Putin. Obviously I am because the US (without Trump) will never have full on resource or other trading relationships with Russia. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Of course anyone should be respectful of nuclear weapons but that doesn't explain why he kowtows to Putin. Obviously I am because the US (without Trump) will never have full on resource or other trading relationships with Russia. And just how do you suppose Trump has "kowtowed" Never? Hmm...and that would be wise why? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 28 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And just how do you suppose Trump has "kowtowed" I suppose in some circles people would think that siding with Putin by suggesting that Ukraine should allow Russia to maintain control of the territory it invaded, or that Russia helping someone you're a war with and yet you still drop oil sanctions on them is very much 'kowtowing'. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I suppose in some circles people would think that siding with Putin by suggesting that Ukraine should allow Russia to maintain control of the territory it invaded, or that Russia helping someone you're a war with and yet you still drop oil sanctions on them is very much 'kowtowing'. And you would do differently? See...this is why you Libbies are so destructive. You react emotionally to everything. Grow up! Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Why should we need to? Listening to Trump and Hegseth it's easy to believe the US is pretty much practically running the place already. Why don't you lead the way and put some boots in the ground? Who btw actually fired the very first shot? The US or Israel? If you don't think you need to, stop crying. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And you would do differently? See...this is why you Libbies are so destructive. You react emotionally to everything. Grow up! I have to grow up and it's a libbie thing because your feelings are hurt? Why can't you just see the simple reality of it, or does your cult devotion not let you do that. But yeah I would have done it differently.... something really novel like having a plan. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: What's there to prove.... just look for yourself. Its your stupid assertion. I can't help the perverted way you see the world. Facts are facts and if you can't put any together to support your baseless assertions... then they are just that. 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: He sided with Putin and threw the US Intelligence community under the bus for their assertions of Russia in his first term, he sided with Putin regarding election interference reports, he sided with Putin in suggesting Ukraine started the war, and he just again sided with Putin in dropping oil sanctions while Putin is providing intel to Iran. I'm sure there's a lot more but the common theme is....always siding with Putin. Krasnov is clearly a trusted agent... Your argument was about how this was done in loyalty to Putin, not your distorted notions of "sided with" him in past events you cherry-pick and make hasty generalizations about. 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: What are you talking about....'it was announced to the world' The Trump administration literally announced the easing of these sanctions to the world because oil is a global commodity consumed worldwide. 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: It should be obvious even to your Trump-adoring mind.... He's trying to find a way out of the mess he created with Iran and what has and will continue to impact the price of oil, LNG and semiconductors. For a guy that was pounding his chest loud and hard about a military that is the greatest ever seen he sure seems desperate now in begging and/or threatening other countries to send warships and assets to help in the Strait. Until then the world is going to be paying more for gas and anything oil related (which is pretty much everything). Oh, so, yeah, you mean the obvious: anyone in any position would be trying to work out the best solutions. 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: On a side note.... it's good to see the countries that he pissed on and that he's begging now sitting on their hands for the time being, and hopefully for a long time. That's your guy.... You should be more concerned with yourself as you sit here cheering on Iran and hoping for the worst for the US and the global economy. WTF is wrong with you? Trump has broken your brains. Quote
paxamericana Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 11 hours ago, John Johnston said: America and Israel broke it. They can fix it. If you insist on over paying for your own fuel be my guest. You ideots are paying for this war wether you like it or not. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I have to grow up and it's a libbie thing because your feelings are hurt? Why can't you just see the simple reality of it, or does your cult devotion not let you do that. But yeah I would have done it differently.... something really novel like having a plan. My feelings aren't hurt. My wallet is hurt. I dont hate Russia. I hate waste and stupidity. I also think your comment about having a plan is just immature. Your position reflects one of the main reasons why people...on both sides of the aisle...fail so badly. The raw reality is, having Russia as a willing partner would be much more beneficial to the nation, than treating them as an enemy. Unless, of course, you simply hate russia and cant think past that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 44 minutes ago, User said: If you don't think you need to, stop crying. No problem there. Trump says you guys don't need anyone anyway so. We're all good then? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
paxamericana Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 The TDS crowd is conflating Trump’s action in lifting sanction as a sex favor to Putin. The straight is blocked effectively, so lifting sanctions of Russian oil temporarily serves to help buffer the large demand from India who needs to be weened off of Russian oil if they don’t have access to the gulf oil. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: No problem there. Trump says you guys don't need anyone anyway so. We're all good then? You were the one crying, you tell me. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, eyeball said: No problem there. Trump says you guys don't need anyone anyway so. We're all good then? If you want to say Trump said something, you need to provide the exact quote and a source. Again, you were the one crying. Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 hours ago, Nationalist said: 1. Not scared...but definitely respectful. And that's called "common sense". 2. Good grief. Are you this thick? Im talking about all the resources Russia has. 3. The Americas, Asia and Russia. Yes yes...ur an id1ot. I know... No, that would be you because you never have ANYTHING to back ^these OPINIONS. Quote
robosmith Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: And you would do differently? See...this is why you Libbies are so destructive. You react emotionally to everything. Grow up! Meanwhile you act out of fear doing something science says is smart, because it wiil cost you money. And now you're paying that money for Trump's war and Iran blocking Hormuz. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, User said: Its your stupid assertion. I can't help the perverted way you see the world. Facts are facts and if you can't put any together to support your baseless assertions... then they are just that. The assertion is based on facts. 22 minutes ago, User said: Your argument was about how this was done in loyalty to Putin, not your distorted notions of "sided with" him in past events you cherry-pick and make hasty generalizations about. Well, if it isn't loyalty siding with the perpetrator in the Russia/Ukriane war or dropping sanctions on someone who is giving intel that can kill your military to cover your own ineptness, maybe I'm using the wrong word. Loyalty fits good enough though... 30 minutes ago, User said: The Trump administration literally announced the easing of these sanctions to the world because oil is a global commodity consumed worldwide. No kidding, really... Yes Sherlock, your guy has screwed up pretty good here and is doing his best ymca shuffle to get out of this one. 48 minutes ago, User said: Oh, so, yeah, you mean the obvious: anyone in any position would be trying to work out the best solutions. I find it hard to believe that anyone else would have been this negligent to not have thoroughly vetted that Strait and the economical impact it would have if it wasn't secured. He needs solutions but I'm not sure that anyone else would lift sanctions on someone who is invading one country and giving intel to another one that you're at war with though. 1 hour ago, User said: You should be more concerned with yourself as you sit here cheering on Iran and hoping for the worst for the US and the global economy. WTF is wrong with you? Trump has broken your brains. That's rather dramatic don't you think. I'm not pro-Iran or hoping for US failure or a collapse of the global economy. Quite the opposite actually on all three points. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 59 minutes ago, Nationalist said: My feelings aren't hurt. My wallet is hurt. I dont hate Russia. I hate waste and stupidity. I also think your comment about having a plan is just immature. Your position reflects one of the main reasons why people...on both sides of the aisle...fail so badly. The raw reality is, having Russia as a willing partner would be much more beneficial to the nation, than treating them as an enemy. Unless, of course, you simply hate russia and cant think past that. I disagree. Knowing what we do now about the economic activity that runs through that strait you'd make the safe assumption the US admin and every other admin in the world knew that 50 years before we did. That being the case you'd also think the US would have vetted that strait and thought of and be prepared for anything, which they clearly didn't. Maybe they had a plan, but far to say it wasn't as good one. That's why 2500 marines are on the way and he's calling for help from people he's been pissing on for the last year. You're viewing Russia with only a financial lens. Don't forget their killing people in the Ukraine every day and have been for 4 years. I don't 'hate' Russia, but no thanks, good here. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: The assertion is based on facts. Lets see them. 8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: Well, if it isn't loyalty siding with the perpetrator in the Russia/Ukriane war or dropping sanctions on someone who is giving intel that can kill your military to cover your own ineptness, maybe I'm using the wrong word. Loyalty fits good enough though... Siding... how? Trump supported Ukraine BEFORE the invasion, providing them the very military hardware that helped to thwart a full-blown invasion as they were able to blow up Russian armor with those anti-tank missiles. Trump has continued to support Ukraine since he took office. What Trump doesn't support is doing it forever, not that I agree with his schtick or methods, but his goals are peace and to get us out of doing this forever, that is not siding with Russia. 11 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: No kidding, really... Yes Sherlock, your guy has screwed up pretty good here and is doing his best ymca shuffle to get out of this one. No, he is doing what he can to help mitigate Iran's actions. So... which is it? You keep crying about this but then don't support doing anything and only want to criticize Trump. Its just a cheap political talking point for you. 12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: I find it hard to believe that anyone else would have been this negligent to not have thoroughly vetted that Strait and the economical impact it would have if it wasn't secured. He needs solutions but I'm not sure that anyone else would lift sanctions on someone who is invading one country and giving intel to another one that you're at war with though. There is no "securing" the Strait except through blowing up Iranian crap. Once again, your own damn country continues to fund Russia by buying refined oil products from India. 14 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: That's rather dramatic don't you think. I'm not pro-Iran or hoping for US failure or a collapse of the global economy. Quite the opposite actually on all three points. And yet... you are here cheering this on. Quote
eyeball Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 4 hours ago, User said: You were the one crying, you tell me. Not I guess. LMAO! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 3 hours ago, User said: If you want to say Trump said something, you need to provide the exact quote and a source. Trump 'We Don't Need Anybody' Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 9 hours ago, robosmith said: Meanwhile you act out of fear doing something science says is smart, because it wiil cost you money. And now you're paying that money for Trump's war and Iran blocking Hormuz. What's your point? Im not in favor of this Isreali excursion to war. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Barquentine Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 16 hours ago, Nationalist said: A new "World Order" is being formed and its not the wishy-washy crap the Libbies want. It'll be orderly and sensible. And you predict this based on...? Wishful thinking? Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 9 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: I disagree. Knowing what we do now about the economic activity that runs through that strait you'd make the safe assumption the US admin and every other admin in the world knew that 50 years before we did. That being the case you'd also think the US would have vetted that strait and thought of and be prepared for anything, which they clearly didn't. Maybe they had a plan, but far to say it wasn't as good one. That's why 2500 marines are on the way and he's calling for help from people he's been pissing on for the last year. You're viewing Russia with only a financial lens. Don't forget their killing people in the Ukraine every day and have been for 4 years. I don't 'hate' Russia, but no thanks, good here. So is America and Isreal...and Iran...and Ukraine, for that matter. 6 minutes ago, Barquentine said: And you predict this based on...? Wishful thinking? Observation. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Barquentine Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 15 hours ago, User said: How is it loyalty to Putin? Trump has always sucked up to Putin. Why? Maybe Putin has something on Trump. The Trump family wants to do business deals with Russia. Trump loves dictators and wants to be one. Putin taught Trump how to amass greater power and wealth, through Oligarchs: AI Late 2025, President Trump approved a deal to sell TikTok's US operations to investors for approximately $14 billion, which some analysts estimated was worth over $40 billion to over $300 billion. The investor group, meant to ensure "American control," reportedly included Larry Ellison and Rupert Murdoch. That's a classic Putin move. Edited March 17 by Barquentine grammar Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, Barquentine said: Trump has always sucked up to Putin. Why? Maybe Putin has something on Trump. The Trump family wants to do business deals with Russia. Trump loves dictators and wants to be one. Putin taught Trump how to amass greater power and wealth, through Oligarchs: AI Late 2025, President Trump approved a deal to sell TikTok's US operations to investors for approximately $14 billion, which some analysts estimated was worth over $40 billion to over $300 billion. The investor group, meant to ensure "American control," reportedly included Larry Ellison and Rupert Murdoch. That's a clssic Putin move. You sure make a lot of assumptions. An intelligent person would realize they keep getting it wrong and stop making such wild assumptions. Unfortunately...you just ain't terribly intelligent. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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