User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 24 minutes ago, John Johnston said: It is getting harder and harder to figure out who is the Villain these days... Well, you leftists have always had a major problem with understanding facts and logic. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Johnston said: It is getting harder and harder to figure out who is the Villain these days... The villians are the ones who blow people up without warning and are trying to develop nukes. The 'not quite as villainous as the villians' are the ones who attempt to negotiate and give warning.... and THEN blow people up, and who already have nukes Much like the iraq war the validity to a degree will hinge on how close they were to developing nuclear weapons. But there's no doubt they WERE sponsoring much of the terrorism in the area, and threatening the straight of hormuz with their support of the houthi. War is an extreme option but if a negotiated settlement wasn't possible and american interests were under threat and there was a credible threat of a nuclear weapon's program proceeding and producing results, then the us has reasonable justification. Edited March 9 by CdnFox Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 9 hours ago, CdnFox said: The villians are the ones who blow people up without warning and are trying to develop nukes. The 'not quite as villainous as the villians' are the ones who attempt to negotiate and give warning.... and THEN blow people up, and who already have nukes Much like the iraq war the validity to a degree will hinge on how close they were to developing nuclear weapons. But there's no doubt they WERE sponsoring much of the terrorism in the area, and threatening the straight of hormuz with their support of the houthi. War is an extreme option but if a negotiated settlement wasn't possible and american interests were under threat and there was a credible threat of a nuclear weapon's program proceeding and producing results, then the us has reasonable justification. You had Witkoff and Kushner negotiating. Neither knows a damn thing about Nukes or diplomacy. Maybe start with some capable people to do these very complicated jobs. Now the global economy is at serious risk for a long time thanks to Trumps Clowning around bullshit. This is just the tip of the iceberg. It does not get any better. And none of this was necessary. Quote
Hodad Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 21 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Iran was trying to get nukes, period. And in a country that large, with almost no supervision and cloaked in an internet blackout, it was just a matter of time until they got them. Maybe weeks, maybe months, but not years and definitely not 'never'. They were amassing a huge stockpile of ballistic missiles and drones, that is indisputable. The Iranian regime has been openly calling for genocide against the Jews and America for generations. Now, at the cost of the lives of 6 US servicemen, the US has sunk 30+ Iranian ships, destroyed all of their radar detection and guidance systems, destroyed all of their anti-aircraft batteries, destroyed countless ICBM's & ballistic missiles, countless drones, wiped out the ayatollah and at least 2 successors, obliterated the upper echelons on Iran's military and their mullahs, they're destroying Iran's bigotry-police stations, etc, etc, etc. There has never been a war this one-sided in all of recorded history. This is shaping up to be the most epic win of all time. Not only that, it's one of the rare instances when a country's enemies in a war are actually the ones defending the majority of its people... Iranian people actually feel safer and are safer with American bombs raining down on them than they do when their own police are running loose on them. Iranian civilian deaths in this war aren't on pace to come anywhere near what the ayatollah inflicted oon the in the last month alone. Despite all that, American leftists, who mostly cheered on Hamas, are now cheering for the ayatollah's regime. Aren't they supposed to be defenders of women's rights? Shouldn't they care that women get flogged and jailed just for taking off hijabs? Where did the left's love of genocide and violent bigotry come from, they they can openly support Hamas and the ayatollah's regime? They seemed to have left violent bigotry behind them when they had their [imaginary] break with the KKK, no? Then again, they did have that 3-year stint recently where they were pushing BLM riots, and they've been letting criminals out of jail or not incarcerating them for a while now. And they supported death threats against the president, severed-head effigies, assassination attempts, cheered the murder of Charlie Kirk, viewed the congressional baseball game shooting with apathy, etc. Now, if you look back at Obama's messaging, it's basically on a parallel course with Iranian propaganda... Could Iran really be trusted with a nuclear program, as Barry would have us believe? Was racism and slavery a current problem while Obama was in the WH? Did anyone have any reason to believe that Trayvon was just a smiling, polite kid that got shot, or that "friendly giant" M Brown wasn't actually a violent thug for the last ten minutes of his life? And what's with Obama using Jessie Jackson's funeral as a platform for anti-Trump invective? At what point did that smooth-talking, calculating, couching, dog-whistling piece of shit ever say anything that couldn't be construed as more pro-Iranian than pro-American? My sharpest critique of Trump is that he can be classless and boorish, but Obama just brought presidential decorum to a new low at that funeral. Thank God for Trump. It's looking like he might pull off a modern-day miracle in Iran. One that the world desperately needs. This is the sort of unhinged, rambling screed that a deranged homeless person pounds out before the librarians kick him out for shitting on the floor. If your point was that the US is winning decisively, sure, but that was a foregone conclusion. Our defense budget is twice the entire GDP of Iran. We have 25x to 50x more of everything. It's Mike Tyson fighting a toddler. And the only defined mission is destruction. Not sure why you find this so impressive. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 hours ago, John Johnston said: You had Witkoff and Kushner negotiating. Yes. Negotiating. Not sending money into terrorist cells within the country blowing things up and launching attacks that killed thousands of civillians. See the difference? 2 hours ago, John Johnston said: Neither knows a damn thing about Nukes or diplomacy. I would bet they know more about both than you do about them. 2 hours ago, John Johnston said: Now the global economy is at serious risk for a long time thanks to Trumps Clowning around bullshit. Well you'd have to be a pretty weird kind of guy to think of war as 'clowning around'. I had previously assumed you were over the age of 12, i apologize if that was incorrect. Ending the threat of iran having nuclear weapons is a very real and serious business. That's just a simple fact. Efforts have been ongoing for decades now to come to a resolution on that which was peaceful. Further, they cannot be allowed to continue funding all the terrorist groups such as the huthi, hezbolla and hamas any further. This has lead to serious trade disruption, death of our allies and a host of other problems. So. Was this war the only way? Was there no other way? Some will argue one way or another. But obviously trump felt this was his only option and there's nothing "clowning' about it. And yes war is bad. It's going to screw the world economy which was already dealing with instability and it's especially going to hurt most of Canada (not alberta). But unfortunately sometimes that's necessary. I would have definitely preferred to see another option before war, but i'm not the one at the bargaining table and maybe that just wasn't possible. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Yes. Negotiating. Not sending money into terrorist cells within the country blowing things up and launching attacks that killed thousands of civillians. See the difference? I would bet they know more about both than you do about them. Well you'd have to be a pretty weird kind of guy to think of war as 'clowning around'. I had previously assumed you were over the age of 12, i apologize if that was incorrect. Ending the threat of iran having nuclear weapons is a very real and serious business. That's just a simple fact. Efforts have been ongoing for decades now to come to a resolution on that which was peaceful. Further, they cannot be allowed to continue funding all the terrorist groups such as the huthi, hezbolla and hamas any further. This has lead to serious trade disruption, death of our allies and a host of other problems. So. Was this war the only way? Was there no other way? Some will argue one way or another. But obviously trump felt this was his only option and there's nothing "clowning' about it. And yes war is bad. It's going to screw the world economy which was already dealing with instability and it's especially going to hurt most of Canada (not alberta). But unfortunately sometimes that's necessary. I would have definitely preferred to see another option before war, but i'm not the one at the bargaining table and maybe that just wasn't possible. None of this was necessary. This is a war of choice. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, John Johnston said: None of this was necessary. This is a war of choice. Why was it not necessary? What other options have not been tried that we might have tried that would succeed? It seriously sounds like you're basing your opinion on nothing more than your bias. And the world can't afford to run on "Muh Feels". We've already got enough problems as a result of that kind of thinking. There could be no doubt that the Iranians are moving towards having nuclear weapons. That has been well established by numerous presidencies. There can be no doubt that the Americans have spent years negotiating trying to resolve this issue. And there can be no doubt that the iranians are funding terrorist groups on top of this which is already led to the Hamas israel war, the shutting down of the straight thanks to the houthis, and of course Hezbollah frequently causes problems. So what was your other solution that would have made this war unnecessary? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Deluge Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 21 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Iran was trying to get nukes, period. And in a country that large, with almost no supervision and cloaked in an internet blackout, it was just a matter of time until they got them. Maybe weeks, maybe months, but not years and definitely not 'never'. They were amassing a huge stockpile of ballistic missiles and drones, that is indisputable. The Iranian regime has been openly calling for genocide against the Jews and America for generations. Now, at the cost of the lives of 6 US servicemen, the US has sunk 30+ Iranian ships, destroyed all of their radar detection and guidance systems, destroyed all of their anti-aircraft batteries, destroyed countless ICBM's & ballistic missiles, countless drones, wiped out the ayatollah and at least 2 successors, obliterated the upper echelons on Iran's military and their mullahs, they're destroying Iran's bigotry-police stations, etc, etc, etc. There has never been a war this one-sided in all of recorded history. This is shaping up to be the most epic win of all time. Not only that, it's one of the rare instances when a country's enemies in a war are actually the ones defending the majority of its people... Iranian people actually feel safer and are safer with American bombs raining down on them than they do when their own police are running loose on them. Iranian civilian deaths in this war aren't on pace to come anywhere near what the ayatollah inflicted oon the in the last month alone. Despite all that, American leftists, who mostly cheered on Hamas, are now cheering for the ayatollah's regime. Aren't they supposed to be defenders of women's rights? Shouldn't they care that women get flogged and jailed just for taking off hijabs? Where did the left's love of genocide and violent bigotry come from, they they can openly support Hamas and the ayatollah's regime? They seemed to have left violent bigotry behind them when they had their [imaginary] break with the KKK, no? Then again, they did have that 3-year stint recently where they were pushing BLM riots, and they've been letting criminals out of jail or not incarcerating them for a while now. And they supported death threats against the president, severed-head effigies, assassination attempts, cheered the murder of Charlie Kirk, viewed the congressional baseball game shooting with apathy, etc. Now, if you look back at Obama's messaging, it's basically on a parallel course with Iranian propaganda... Could Iran really be trusted with a nuclear program, as Barry would have us believe? Was racism and slavery a current problem while Obama was in the WH? Did anyone have any reason to believe that Trayvon was just a smiling, polite kid that got shot, or that "friendly giant" M Brown wasn't actually a violent thug for the last ten minutes of his life? And what's with Obama using Jessie Jackson's funeral as a platform for anti-Trump invective? At what point did that smooth-talking, calculating, couching, dog-whistling piece of shit ever say anything that couldn't be construed as more pro-Iranian than pro-American? My sharpest critique of Trump is that he can be classless and boorish, but Obama just brought presidential decorum to a new low at that funeral. Thank God for Trump. It's looking like he might pull off a modern-day miracle in Iran. One that the world desperately needs. It's true. Notice how these heathen murderers turned their bombs on anyone within range - they don't give a shit about anything other than spreading their power. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 20 minutes ago, John Johnston said: None of this was necessary. This is a war of choice. We disabled their nuke capabilities - so what? You and they should be happy that we didn't make a parking lot out of their country. Quote
User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 32 minutes ago, Hodad said: Not sure why you find this so impressive. Why... it almost sounds like you don't want America to win so divisively. I mean, it is impressive that we have the military capabilities we do have. You don't like that? You want us to have a weaker military and want to see it cost more lives to engage with adversaries? Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 9 Author Report Posted March 9 (edited) 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: The president and his advisers are in the grip of “victory disease.” The alt-left cult is in the grip of "Denial Disease". deny the abject failure of the Afghan withdrawal and blame it on Trump deny the success of Trump's fight against islamic state deny Obama's responsibility for the rise of islamic state deny the strength of Trump's economy deny the effect that covid lockdowns had on Trump's economy and blame the job losses on him deny the effect that ending the covid lockdowns had on Biden's economy and give him the credit for all the new jobs deny Biden's obvious cognitive decline deny the existence of record-level inflation under Biden deny that inflation is down under Trump, and the effect that's having standard of living deny the existence of extremist leftist violence, from groups like BLM, Antifa, anti-ICE, threats against the president, attacks on the GOP, etc deny leftist leader's culpability in inciting and supporting ^said^ violence deny that the border was open under Biden deny that Trump's border is more secure now, and blame racism for the clean-up instead of "protecting low-to-middle income Americans" deny that Kamala is a useless twit who got to where she is by blowing powerful men deny the need for an Iranian enema deny the success of the operation by pretending that the war is uncoordinated, has no focus, is a failure, puts Americans at more risk that they were in before, is due to the control that space-laser Jews have over America, etc, etc. Your job, as a leftist, is to literally deny everything that you see from the time you wake up until you go to bed. Right? Your confirmation bias is set to "Biden/Trudeau Sycophant". You need to dual it down 6 notches just to get to "Full-Ret4rd". Edited March 9 by WestCanMan 2 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 25 minutes ago, John Johnston said: None of this was necessary. This is a war of choice. This is entirely subjective and based on what you think is necessary or not. Quote
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Deluge said: We disabled their nuke capabilities - so what? You and they should be happy that we didn't make a parking lot out of their country. You said that eight months ok too, so did they lie that time? Or are they lying this time? After all, they obliterated them right? This administration has zero clue how to govern and now we are in a major war that is growing by the minute unnecessarily. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 9 Author Report Posted March 9 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Hodad said: This is the sort of unhinged, rambling screed that a deranged homeless person pounds out before the librarians kick him out for shitting on the floor. 1) You're not ranting right now, this level of drivel is normal for you 2) congrats for not shitting on the floor this time Quote If your point was that the US is winning decisively, sure, but that was a foregone conclusion. Wrong. You guys were just whining about the risk this causes to Americans for the last week, and saying how uncoordinated and unplanned this was. Oh, and how bad of a military leader Trump is. Quote Our defense budget is twice the entire GDP of Iran. We have 25x to 50x more of everything. It's Mike Tyson fighting a toddler. And the only defined mission is destruction. Not sure why you find this so impressive. You don't understand how much harder it to project power 7,000 miles away, across the Atlantic ocean, than right in your own back yard, surrounded by your "allies"[?] that most countries have This same US army has been used in the ME quite a bit over the last 30 years, and has never dominated anywhere near this level. And Iran is the toughest army they've faced. Did "US Military vs Taliban under Joe Biden" look like "Tyson fighting toddler"? 🤣 More like Custer vs Indians. Trump spanked Iran. Biden got spanked by the Taliban. The guys with no planes, no drones, no ballistic missiles, no tanks.... spanked Biden. Next. Sun Tzu gives you an F. Edited March 9 by WestCanMan Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Deluge Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, John Johnston said: You said that eight months ok too, so did they lie that time? Or are they lying this time? After all, they obliterated them right? This administration has zero clue how to govern and now we are in a major war that is growing by the minute unnecessarily. This is a good point, and I was questioning the same thing. Personally, I wish we hadn't gotten involved in the first place. After all, squeaky Ben Shapiro insisted that Israel didn't need any help, so wtf? Quote
Goddess Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 Nobody ever talks about what Trump did with the Trump Accounts - putting $1000 into children's accounts to accrue over their lifetime. It's brilliant. So much so that a couple of big companies, Dell computers for one, also added to the accounts. This is what billionaires should be doing. 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 17 minutes ago, John Johnston said: You said that eight months ok too, so did they lie that time? Or are they lying this time? After all, they obliterated them right? This administration has zero clue how to govern and now we are in a major war that is growing by the minute unnecessarily. They started rebuilding again, and the damage assessments were just that. Quote
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 20 minutes ago, User said: They started rebuilding again, and the damage assessments were just that. Nonsense. Quote
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 31 minutes ago, Deluge said: This is a good point, and I was questioning the same thing. Personally, I wish we hadn't gotten involved in the first place. After all, squeaky Ben Shapiro insisted that Israel didn't need any help, so wtf? The problem now is that there is no off ramp. Where does this go? And to what end? I'm all for getting rid of the Iranian threat, but not sure starting an endless war to appease Israel is very intelligent. And now everyone pays. Quote
Deluge Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 33 minutes ago, Goddess said: Nobody ever talks about what Trump did with the Trump Accounts - putting $1000 into children's accounts to accrue over their lifetime. It's brilliant. So much so that a couple of big companies, Dell computers for one, also added to the accounts. This is what billionaires should be doing. All day. Love it. Quote
User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 6 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Nonsense. Unlike you, I deal in facts and substance: Satellite images show Iran repairing and fortifying sites amid US tensions https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/satellite-images-show-iran-repairing-fortifying-sites-amid-us-tensions-2026-02-18/ Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, John Johnston said: Nonsense. Actually not nonsense, that was reported. And iran had always claimed the damage was less than the US wanted it to be. You'll have to do better than "nonsense" if you're going to make a case that it's not true or is false reporting or the like. It certainly has the ring of truth to it. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Johnston Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Actually not nonsense, that was reported. And iran had always claimed the damage was less than the US wanted it to be. You'll have to do better than "nonsense" if you're going to make a case that it's not true or is false reporting or the like. It certainly has the ring of truth to it. The facilities were under a mountain of rubble. Or did your Dear Leader lie about that too? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 4 minutes ago, John Johnston said: The facilities were under a mountain of rubble. Or did your Dear Leader lie about that too? First off I noticed you couldn't answer my first question, so I take it you've actually admitted that there really was no other choice other than going to war. Well there you go As to this question they had believed that that was the case. But reports have come in that while the facilities were damaged I ran would be able to replicate or get things back in operation relatively soon. And then they would be moving forward to complete a device. He was telling the truth insofar as they hit it and did a lot of damage but the amount of damage they did may not have been as much as they wanted. There's only so much you can tell from space pictures Was that your last shot? Did you have anything else or are you done looking kind of silly? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
User Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 (edited) 21 minutes ago, John Johnston said: The facilities were under a mountain of rubble. Or did your Dear Leader lie about that too? Once again, I deal in facts; you deal in baseless rhetoric. Edited March 9 by User 1 Quote
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