Is it morally acceptable to worry about the future of the White race?

[I am Groot]

2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Surely you jest.

Although the U.S. was founded on the ideal that "all men are created equal", America is not fully equal in practice. We suffer from high levels of economic, racial, and gender inequality,

So you're not talking about equal opportunity, but equal results?

Why would the results be equal between three different groups who value education far differently, who value marriage and looking after their kids far differently, who value responsibility far differently?

The groups that prosper the most in America happen to be the ones that put the most value in getting a good education, having kids as part of a solid relationship, usually marriage, and then taking care of those kids and ensuring they grow up as responsible young people with good educations, too.

Blacks have the highest school dropout rate, the highest rate of single parent families, and the highest rate of crime in the US.  Why would their results be the same as Whites and Asians?

2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

with wealth heavily concentrated at the top and significant, persistent wealth gaps between white and minority households. 

Maybe because white households save and black households conspiciuously consume to show 'flash' to their peers.

2 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

So when you make such an imbicilic statement with such a cavalier attitude, I can only assume that you're a delusional f_ckwit.

Worse, from your perspective. I'm intelligent. I know how much that must frighten and anger such as you.

[I am Groot]

14 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

True.

Unfortunately,  it was whites who enslaved the Africans here in America. 

Im unsure of what your point is.

Are you saying that because others were oppressed,  its understandable how white America oppressed Africans?

AFRICANS oppressed Africans first. They're the ones who took slaves. They're the ones who sold them to Europeans and Arabs. A not insignificant number of slave owners in the US south were freed blacks. 

Asians were treated like shit in America. So were Jews. Look how they've thrived. How come blacks can't?

[CrakHoBarbie]

Just now, I am Groot said:

 

I'm intelligent. 

 

[I am Groot]

3 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

You poor creature. 

You STILL haven't realized that YOU'RE Fredo!

[CrakHoBarbie]

9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

AFRICANS oppressed Africans first. They're the ones who took slaves. They're the ones who sold them to Europeans and Arabs. A not insignificant number of slave owners in the US south were freed blacks. 

Asians were treated like shit in America. So were Jews. Look how they've thrived. How come blacks can't?

I see.

So, you're saying its just the way of the World.

Thats how its always been.

thats how it'll always be.

No enlightenment. 

No intellectual progress

No progression of human understanding?

Gee, thank you for explaining it to little ol' me.

Who shall we enslave next!

 

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

You poor creature. 

You STILL haven't realized that YOU'RE Fredo!

Goodness.

Tell me how intelligent you are again.

Big roots are so sexy.

Edited April 13 by CrakHoBarbie

[CrakHoBarbie]

17 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

You are so right.

If only us white folk would stop f_cking everything that moves, we could keep white folk from turning brown, huh.

But, these f_cking white f_cks will f_ck anything, huh?

 

 

 

 

/s

Crickets...

[herbie]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There are no people anywhere who can't look back on a history of oppression and injustice.

Sure you can. Those guest and hosts on the talk show I listened to as I drove out of town this morning.
Repeating over and over how there should be no mentions of Cdb historical shame to new immigrants because slavery was abolished by Britain before Canada even existed. Just that one thought, repeated over and over. As if discrimination therefore never existed in Cabada, Conveniently not mentioning Chinese head tax, exclusions, Japanese internment, Komagata Maru,  or the treatment of natives since Day One.Gonna deny the attitude towards the east Indians from Uganda in the 1970s wasn't real too?

Get off your pot with the claims bigotry has been eliminated, it's a hell of a lot less than a generation or two ago and mainly due to laws and court rulings. And it will be far less but still be around in another couple with people like you making sure it does by simply denying it.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

Yes yes sweetie,  we see you, you're very pretty, ok good girl ..

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

You are so right.

If only us white folk would stop f_cking everything that moves, we could keep white folk from turning brown, huh.

But, these f_cking white f_cks will f_ck anything, huh?

 

LOL you WISH that was the case, I'm sure.  But sadly for you there's some things even us white folk won't hit   you'll have to buy some new batteries it would seem

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I see.

So, you're saying its just the way of the World.

Yeah. That is and was the way of the world. The powerful exploit the weak. This surprises you? Where you been?

Africans aren't going to get anywhere by acting like perpetual victims because of the past, and they're not going to get anywhere with the help of paternalistic white knights like yourself. The sad truth is that Blacks in America were doing way better before the whtie knights and thei civil rights acts and desegregation and affirmative action.

Liberals have destroyed the black community continuously telling them they're victims, not holding them up to the same standards of behaviour as Whites, because apparently, blacks aren't capable of that, and their endless excuses for black misbehaviour and failure. 

The only thing blacks need do to thrive is go to school, study, graduate, get a job, and if you want children, stay together to raise them. Same as everyone else.

 

[I am Groot]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

Sure you can. Those guest and hosts on the talk show I listened to as I drove out of town this morning.
Repeating over and over how there should be no mentions of Cdb historical shame to new immigrants because

There is no Canadian historical shame. That's something invented by anti-Western, anti-Canadian, self-hating whites like you. I bet any of those immigrants who are educated and know about their history laugh at what you people consider to be Canada's shame, because their own people did far, far, far worse. You white knights just hand wave away that everyone in the world was a barbarian.

Maybe the ultimate example is renaming Dundas Square in Toronto, named after a British politician they accuse of delaying the banning of slavery (actually, he proposed a saving amendment that allowed the bill to pass where it likely would not have otherwise). They instead named it after a word from an African state that grew fat and rich from taking and selling slaves.

This is the two faced nature of how the left looks on our history. Dundas was evil because his amendment might have delayed the end of slavery in the empire, but the Akan people who practiced brutal slavery, ah, well, what can you expect of darkies, eh? We mustn't judge them!

11 hours ago, herbie said:

Get off your pot with the claims bigotry has been eliminated, it's a hell of a lot less than a generation or two ago and mainly due to laws and court rulings. And it will be far less but still be around in another couple with people like you making sure it does by simply denying it.

Bigotry WAS a lot less, but now it's growing at an alarming pace now because of people like you and your support for dividing people into different races and groups and rewarding those whose skin colour you like and punishing thsoe whose skin colour you dislike. Same goes for religion. Religious bigotry was down to almost nothing until you people started importing millions of Muslims and then smiling tolerantly as they began attacking Jews and Christians.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Yeah. That is and was the way of the world. The powerful exploit the weak. This surprises you? Where you been?

 

I've been in the 21st century where societies are striving to evolve past being cave men.

I guess when one is a giant root, the "might is right" principle is king.

Have you ever seen the movie "Ants"?

I think you'd find it very captivating. 

Also, you never answered my question. 

How are you going to keep white, white, when whitey keeps f_cking everything that moves?

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

 

Get off your pot with the claims bigotry has been eliminated, it's a hell of a lot less than a generation or two ago and mainly due to laws and court rulings.  

I like that you're talking about elimination of bigortry as a journey vs destination

We can be ashamed and proud of "our" past at the same time.

[CrakHoBarbie]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL you WISH that was the case, I'm sure.  But sadly for you there's some things even us white folk won't hit   you'll have to buy some new batteries it would seem

Ahhh...

You cant help but confirm your ignorance over and over.

The more whitey has kids with non whites, the less pure whites there are, halfwit.

So, obviously,  you'd have to stop us white folks from f_cking everything that moves in order to keep white folks white.

[CrakHoBarbie]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I like that you're talking about elimination of bigortry as a journey vs destination

We can be ashamed and proud of "our" past at the same time.

Every race has some shame in their past. But, as some of the "might is right" crowd here has explained, "shame" is subjective. 

You have to have empathy to feel shame.

Though not born that way, right wingers become/are mostly apathetic. 

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 How are you going to keep white, white, when whitey keeps f_cking everything that moves?

That's a feature, not a bug.  Although you have to be careful not to get a bug if you're at either end of that equation.

This thread keeps going on, and as I pointed out, "Morally Acceptable" is community based.  And "worrying" is not a rational  process, it's emotional.  

The unstated assumption here is that groups have morals, and that's ok.  What it means is that therefore Canadians as a group have them.  They are going to be necessarily different from those of "whites" due to math, but they exist.

And the fun part is that as part of the group you will contribute, even a little bit, as to what is 'right/wrong'... from your posts, your words and actions, and how you look at that trans lady on the bus disapprovingly before you put your hand on her knee.

The NOT FUN part is that you don't get to decide, in the end.  Any more than you can stop yourself from smelling your neighbour's BBQ.

We all share things, not just market prices for oil.

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I know, i know, you just can't stop thinking about me.  I quite understand, i'm pretty amazing and it's not uncommon for lower iq people to idolize their betters.  (*pats cracko on the head.*)

[herbie]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

There is no Canadian historical shame. That's something invented by anti-Western, anti-Canadian, self-hating whites like you

 

14 hours ago, herbie said:

And it will be far less but still be around in another couple with people like you making sure it does by simply denying it.

Keep it up. deny, deny, deny.... 
I only pointed out some of our historical shames, need a few more so you can repeat the same denial again but louder? Seems to be all you Proud Boys can do.

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, I am Groot said:

AFRICANS oppressed Africans first. They're the ones who took slaves. They're the ones who sold them to Europeans and Arabs. A not insignificant number of slave owners in the US south were freed blacks. 

Asians were treated like shit in America. So were Jews. Look how they've thrived. How come blacks can't?

It's true, blacks in the Caribbean and America were enslaved by blacks, not whites.  The whites just owned them after they'd become slaves. 

And not just the asians and jews were treated badly but groups like the irish (esp in canada but even in the us 

""No Irish Need Apply" (NINA) signs and advertisements were prevalent in 19th and early 20th-century US and British cities, symbolizing intense anti-Irish discrimination. While some historians once questioned the physical existence of such signs, research confirmed they appeared in newspaper ads, shop windows, and workplaces, especially in New York and Boston."

It weren't just blacks who had it tough after slavery, lots of groups did.  But they worked at it and as you say now they thrive. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I know, i know, you just can't stop thinking about me.  I quite understand, i'm pretty amazing and it's not uncommon for lower iq people to idolize their betters.  (*pats cracko on the head.*)

 

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

Well it's nice to see you laughing  but shouldn't you shave that mustache?

In any case as noted there's no black repression any more and many groups were repressed and got over it. 

And the consensus is that mutilating children is wrong. 

Glad we agree on those points    Good luck with that mustache! 

[Legato]

27 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

57 minutes ago, herbie said:

 

I only pointed out some of our historical shames, need a few more so you can repeat the same denial again but louder? Seems to be all you Proud Boys can do.

How can you have pride without shame ?  Or shame without pride ?

'PRIDE' is one of the most ambiguous words in use today IMO.

[Michael Hardner]

We already have accepted the principle that a minority of folks pay for overall progress, whether it be because of immigration, technical change, or guaranteeing of rights such as free-speech, gun control etc.

 

Nations don't work on a consensus basis, tribes do.  If more than a handful of people reject the chief's idea they don't happen in a tribe.  51% is all you need in a nation.

There are no deep ideas among people who cling to the past because they believe myths.  Of course, those who cling to the future tend to be elites and, well, they don't care about "us".

From Gemini:

Jürgen Habermas's quote, "in [the] process of enlightenment there are only participants" (often cited from 1973/1974), highlights that enlightenment is not a top-down, expert-driven project.

 

[John Stone]

Racism ……… discrimination ……… this is far more recent dealing with children?

The Canadian Indian residential school system was a network of boarding schools for Indigenous peoples, funded by the Canadian government’s Department of Indian Affairs and administered by various Christian churches. The system was created as a civilizing mission to isolate indigenous children from their culture and religion to assimilate them into Euro-Canadian culture (cultural genocide).

The last federally funded residential school closed in 1977, with schools operating across most provinces and territories. Over the course of the system’s more than 160-year history, around 150,000 children were placed in residential schools nationally. The system caused significant harm to indigenous children by removing them FROM THEIR FAMILIES (aka the Scoops) and cultures, leading to cases of physical and sexual abuse, and forcing them to assimilate to Euro-Canadian culture, losing their Indigenous identities. Efforts have been ongoing to identify unmarked graves at former school sites.

OH, Canada.