‘Hunger Games-style anxiety’: Unions raise concerns after 5,400 layoff notices issued to federal workers (but when trump did it it was bad)

[CdnFox]

Public service job cuts: 5,400 notices issued this weeks su

So the us has 10 times our population approx .

Trump and Musk with DOGE laid off 200,000 workers, some immediately and some over time 

And the left here lost their shit. 

Now carney is laying off 28,000.   MORE than trump based on population. 

Bet the libs trip over themselves to explain:

a) why it's SUCH a good idea when carney does it

b) How it's the conservative's fault anyway

c) why are we even talking about this? You're just trying to make liberals look bad. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

Your points are fair, but the Musk layoffs had a perception of recklessness about it, I would say.

That would be due to the small size of the DOGE team, the lack of experience of same, the personality of Musk himself, and the inherent conflict of interest.

But I absolutely acknowledge the gist of the post, ie. A double standard around Carney and Musk, if they were to do the exact same thing.

Also, those who think that LIKING a post is a pledge of Allegiance to one side, take note...

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your points are fair, but the Musk layoffs had a perception of recklessness about it, I would say.

There's at least a whiff of that in Canada it seems.

From the article...

PIPSC says consultants cost “at least 26 per cent more than public servants.”

“If you are trying to save money, you do not lay off trained, experienced workers and pay someone else more to do the same job,” O’Reilly said. “That’s not savings. That’s waste.”

Maybe it's just more politics.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There's at least a whiff of that in Canada it seems.

From the article...

PIPSC says consultants cost “at least 26 per cent more than public servants.”

“If you are trying to save money, you do not lay off trained, experienced workers and pay someone else more to do the same job,” O’Reilly said. “That’s not savings. That’s waste.”

Maybe it's just more politics.

Depends what they mean by consultants. 

An actual consultant comes in for a very short time, consults, goes.  So they don't cost anywhere near as much as a salary employee. 

And then the question is going. Why are they coming in? What was it that we couldn't figure out without them and why? 

People who work on contract, who are hired through large agencies... Are also sometimes called consultants.  

They are really just full-time employees that can be fired on a dime, not unionized, often offshore and cost less therefore. 

So you need to look into the details of layoffs.

 

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Depends what they mean by consultants. 

An actual consultant comes in for a very short time, consults, goes.  So they don't cost anywhere near as much as a salary employee. 

And then the question is going. Why are they coming in? What was it that we couldn't figure out without them and why? 

People who work on contract, who are hired through large agencies... Are also sometimes called consultants.  

They are really just full-time employees that can be fired on a dime, not unionized, often offshore and cost less therefore. 

So you need to look into the details of layoffs.

If they make less but cost more who's pocket reflects that difference?

Presumably the taxpayers according to tax collectors.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Public service job cuts: 5,400 notices issued this weeks su

So the us has 10 times our population approx .

Trump and Musk with DOGE laid off 200,000 workers, some immediately and some over time 

And the left here lost their shit. 

Now carney is laying off 28,000.   MORE than trump based on population. 

Bet the libs trip over themselves to explain:

a) why it's SUCH a good idea when carney does it

b) How it's the conservative's fault anyway

c) why are we even talking about this? You're just trying to make liberals look bad. 

 

Lost their shit??  When?? 

The world was surprised when Musk started but...lost their shit???  Never saw any of that except from American PS workers.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

There's at least a whiff of that in Canada it seems.

From the article...

PIPSC says consultants cost “at least 26 per cent more than public servants.”

“If you are trying to save money, you do not lay off trained, experienced workers and pay someone else more to do the same job,” O’Reilly said. “That’s not savings. That’s waste.”

Maybe it's just more politics.

And where did anyone say "you do not lay off trained, experienced workers" except the unions?

We all knew 28,000 jobs were on the line and letters indicating layoffs or reductions were coming should not be a surprise to anyone.

Who gets let go  is yet to be determined.

As the article states "

as the federal government begins to implement its plans to cut 28,000 jobs over the next four years.

Several federal departments began notifying public servants that their jobs may be impacted by workforce adjustments this week, including Statistics Canada, Shared Services Canada, Global Affairs Canada, the Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat and Public Services and Procurement Canada."  "5,404 federal workers received notices this week that their jobs may be affected"

 

39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Depends what they mean by consultants. 

An actual consultant comes in for a very short time, consults, goes.  So they don't cost anywhere near as much as a salary employee. 

And then the question is going. Why are they coming in? What was it that we couldn't figure out without them and why? 

People who work on contract, who are hired through large agencies... Are also sometimes called consultants.  

They are really just full-time employees that can be fired on a dime, not unionized, often offshore and cost less therefore. 

So you need to look into the details of layoffs.

 

Consultants are given tasks to be completed by a certain time and then they are gone.

[ExFlyer]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If they make less but cost more who's pocket reflects that difference?

Presumably the taxpayers according to tax collectors.

How do you know what they cost??? 

Also, if the work could have been done and handled internally , it would. 

Consultants are only used when the internal expertise is not available.

I hired consultants when I was in the PS. They were hired for very specific tasks and work. All time limited or task limited. All were very short term.

Edited January 18 by ExFlyer

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If they make less but cost more who's pocket reflects that difference?

Presumably the taxpayers according to tax collectors.

Some of them don't cost more. Some do. Placement agencies and middlemen pocket a lot of money, 20% typically

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

And where did anyone say "you do not lay off trained, experienced workers" except the unions?

I don't know, but I'm not surprised unions would be arguing the way they do especially where people's jobs are being shipped offshore to call centers or data processing in some developing economy.

A lot of Canadians are just finally getting woke to how doing that in private manufacturing sectors in Canada have bitten us in the ass.

Edited January 18 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Lost their shit??  When?? 

 

When it was happening. Try and pay attention kiddo, that should have been something even you could work out

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't know, but I'm not surprised unions would be arguing the way they do especially where people's jobs are being shipped offshore to call centers or data processing in some developing economy.

A lot of Canadians are just finally getting woke to how doing that in private manufacturing sectors in Canada have bitten us in the ass.

Unions need to say something to gain public sympathy.

There is no sympathy for the PS by regular Canadians.

[ExFlyer]

Just now, CdnFox said:

When it was happening. Try and pay attention kiddo, that should have been something even you could work out

HA HA HA

More unsubstantiated BS from the LOSER .... as expected LOL LOL LOL

 

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

HA HA HA

 

 

I accept your surrender  

You were stupid to bring it up because everybody here saw the left losing their shit over it so now you just look like a twat for trying to suggest it never happened

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

How do you know what they cost??? 

I only have PIPSC's comment and Mike's to go on so far.

19 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Also, if the work could have been done and handled internally , it would. 

Consultants are only used when the internal expertise is not available.

Hey you know me. I've said for years we should have contracted out something like Petro Canada to Norway, and I'm pretty sure we could do a lot better if we hired  German healthcare consultants to help redesign and manage our healthcare systems.

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I hired consultants when I was in the PS. They were hired for very specific tasks and work. All time limited or task limited. All were very short term.

I get it, I've been hired as a consultant by NGO's working for public and private interests for what you've described, just short but lucrative gigs.

[ExFlyer]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I accept your surrender  

You were stupid to bring it up because everybody here saw the left losing their shit over it so now you just look like a twat for trying to suggest it never happened

More useless BS from the no proof LOSER?

Prove your accusations.... you cannot LOSER LOL LOL LOL

Another rectal pluck for the LOSER HA HA HA

Are you actually going to sidetrack your own thread because of your ego LOSER??? LOL LOL LOL 

Edited January 18 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I only have PIPSC's comment and Mike's to go on so far.

Hey you know me. I've said for years we should have contracted out something like Petro Canada to Norway, and I'm pretty sure we could do a lot better if we hired  German healthcare consultants to help redesign and manage our healthcare systems.

I get it, I've been hired as a consultant by NGO's working for public and private interests for what you've described, just short but lucrative gigs.

The unfortunate thing is when you need expertise and have to hire a consultant, they come in 2 varieties

1. Those from personnel services companies and

2. Those that have incorporated themselves and have added themselves to the "lists"

You select from those that have bid for the jobs and if from a personnel company, you pay the company and the actual person gets what they contracted to that company for.

The others keep the money they are paid.

Oh and always the lowest qualified bidder wins

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

The unfortunate thing is when you need expertise and have to hire a consultant, they come in 2 varieties

1. Those from personnel services companies and

2. Those that have incorporated themselves and have added themselves to the "lists"

I was invited, I guess I was the most qualified at the time...or nuts enough, LOL! How to start a seaweed mariculture and harvesting/processing business. My advice today? Don't start something 30 years ahead of its time. That said you see seaweed products on grocery stores everywhere now.

A local First Nations bought me out and they're making a go of it.

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I was invited, I guess I was the most qualified at the time...or nuts enough, LOL! How to start a seaweed mariculture and harvesting/processing business. My advice today? Don't start something 30 years ahead of its time. That said you see seaweed products on grocery stores everywhere now.

A local First Nations bought me out and they're making a go of it.

Yeah but it does not matter if it works out or not if first nations are doing it...they will get money no matter what LOL

Anyway, kudos to your foresight.  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

More useless BS from the no proof LOSER?

;

Sorry kid, But denial doesn't change the facts

I understand the facts upset you but come on.

[ExFlyer]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry kid, But denial doesn't change the facts

I understand the facts upset you but come on.

Who is denying???  Besides you that is denying us of proof of your BS. 

Prove your BS, show the facts or go away and don't F up your own thread. LOSER LOL LOL LOL

Edited January 18 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Who is denying??? 

You. Did you break that mirror we got you? Will get you another one but you have to stop fighting with it

[ExFlyer]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You. Did you break that mirror we got you? Will get you another one but you have to stop fighting with it

Ohhhh, the LOSER cannot stop. LOL LOL LOL

A LOSER with an obsession...me HA HA HA

But there I am...still tap dancing in your head

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Ohhhh, the LOSER cannot stop. LOL LOL LOL

 

 

Oh dear, someone needs his diaper changed again i see.  Always disappointing to wake up and find you shat yourself first thing in the morning i'm sure  

[ironstone]

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Consultants are given tasks to be completed by a certain time and then they are gone.

But spending on consultants has gone up dramatically since 2015 has it not? If they were hired for a certain time and then 'they are gone', it seems like more will always be hired in very short order.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-spending-outside-contractors-9.6978363

In his 2015 election platform, former prime minister Justin Trudeau promised to reduce the government's use of external consultants.

Between 2015-16 and 2024-25, however, government spending on external services increased from around $8.3 billion to around $19.5 billion.