The Golden Fleet

[paxamericana]

America’s ship building capacity has been in terminal decline for some decades. This is vital to securing America’s future in a deglobalized world. War is coming. America need to rearm at war time speed. Trump will be ushering in the golden fleet as the first major rebuilding effort. 

[John Stone]

33 KT 'battleship' is NOT the future. 

Basically a larger target. 

In any case - battleships are def very 'old school' in Naval warfare. 

Speed, maneuverability and low RCS is the way to survive at sea. 

 

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Trump will be ushering in the golden fleet

Just want to correct your spelling. It should read "Trump will be ushering in the golden fleece."

And you dumb sheep fall for every grift!

[Radiorum]

More of the dog-and-pony-show - 

• "They'll be the fastest, the biggest, and by far 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built," Trump said.

Ha, ha, ha

 

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

33 KT 'battleship' is NOT the future. 

Basically a larger target. 

In any case - battleships are def very 'old school' in Naval warfare. 

Speed, maneuverability and low RCS is the way to survive at sea. 

 

The navy did a study and realize that in a modern, near peer, conflict they would be out of missiles quickly. This is why they did not retire the Ticonderoga destroyers with the modern Ddg ships. This is the real reason behind a larger missile barge concept. Also America is a blue water navy. We need range and lethality, requiring larger ships/tonnage. 
 

That being said. Don’t forget the lessons of WWII. Planes beat ships. And the US is unmatched in aviation even with the entire world combined Air Forces. Our planes will blot out the sky.

Consequently, our aerospace industrial complex is world class and healthy. In the event we needed to, America can spit out planes like candy on the assembly line. @ExFlyer

Edited December 23, 2025 by paxamericana

[robosmith]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

America’s ship building capacity has been in terminal decline for some decades. This is vital to securing America’s future in a deglobalized world. War is coming. America need to rearm at war time speed. Trump will be ushering in the golden fleet as the first major rebuilding effort. 

Trump and "class" never belong in the same sentence. He is a VULGARIAN.

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

More of the dog-and-pony-show - 

• "They'll be the fastest, the biggest, and by far 100 times more powerful than any battleship ever built," Trump said.

Ha, ha, ha

 

Ever the sales CON MAN.

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

The navy did a study and realize that in a modern, near peer, conflict they would be out of missiles quickly. This is why they did not retire the Ticonderoga destroyers with the modern Ddg ships. This is the real reason behind a larger missile barge concept. Also America is a blue water navy. We need range and lethality, requiring larger ships/tonnage. 
 

That being said. Don’t forget the lessons of WWII. Planes beat ships. And the US is unmatched in aviation even with the entire world combined Air Forces. Our planes will blot out the sky.

Consequently, our aerospace industrial complex is world class and healthy. In the event we needed to, America can spit out planes like candy on the assembly line. @ExFlyer

 

The USN is considered the most lethal fighting force in the World - right now! 

To maintain that respect the hulls and  weapons system need to be routinely replaced - it never ends -it's happening now. 

The Trump Class has a weapon suite that on paper, is very impressive and def cutting edge technology........... so cutting edge that some of it is still  R&D.............. doable  for sure, but unproven. 

The rail-gun intrigues me .......... ditto the laser,  anti-missile / drone  defensive  system - ditto the soft kill capability. 

Radars are absolutely cutting edge phased array systems. 

Nuc- capable cruise missiles give it  reach.  

The real choke point is getting it built - American  shipyards don't have the capability - this thing is  huge, revolutionary and would require re-tooling existing shipyards - which are chock-o-block and behind deliveries but also lacking  a work force in  terms of numbers. Not an insurmountable problem - international shipyards could take up the slack. 

A leading-tier Nation,  that needs global reach,  needs number of hulls   - well equipped, trained crews, deployable. 

I have my doubts we'll ever see any of these ships - they don't make any sense, foreign  harbor queen display  notwithstanding. 

 

 

[Nationalist]

IMO...Trump's selling conscription. He's trying to convince people to join his military. 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

IMO...Trump's selling conscription. He's trying to convince people to join his military. 

Ever wonder why the majority of the World's Navy's aren't designed with stealth so much in mind? 

It's because they want a hull that looks impressive in a foreign port. 

A stealth design is arguably the ugliest hull you can imagine ........... intimidation factor = zero.  

................ akin to a Tesla ............ also ugly!! 

[herbie]

8 hours ago, John Stone said:

33 KT 'battleship' is NOT the future. 

But battleships and tariffs go together in a 1930s brain. Golden Everything is another example of a stuck, stubborn unimaginative mind incapable of learning.
He'll probably want to park his Golden Fleet in neat, tidy rows in the same harbour so people can admire it on Sunday morning outings.           For only a one bar of gold plated latinum entry fee.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Another daft idea from a confused elderly man trapped in his own adolescence. 

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Another daft idea from a confused elderly man trapped in his own adolescence. 

That’s pretty much everyone on this forum 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, John Stone said:

Ever wonder why the majority of the World's Navy's aren't designed with stealth so much in mind? 

It's because they want a hull that looks impressive in a foreign port. 

A stealth design is arguably the ugliest hull you can imagine ........... intimidation factor = zero.  

................ akin to a Tesla ............ also ugly!! 

Lol...

[herbie]

More like he misread Jason and the Argonauts and thought he had a Golden Fleet.
So he dreamt up more of his usual Golden Fleece.

[John Stone]

11 hours ago, herbie said:

More like he misread Jason and the Argonauts and thought he had a Golden Fleet.
So he dreamt up more of his usual Golden Fleece.

Truly a decision made in ignorance re: modern Naval warfare - rhetoric. 

The funding for this behemoth could be used far more strategically.