eyeball Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 31 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Sending mass murderers and terrorists to hell is justice not murder. You send a few thousand mass murderers to hell and prevent the murder and sufferings of millions. This is justice. Is like hanging serial killer to prevent future victims. That's pretty much why people object to oppression and subjugation wherever they see it. I'm certainly onboard with seeing Iran's regime fall for what it's worth. I just think the chances Trump can do it without making things worse are slim to none. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
John Stone Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 On 2/19/2026 at 12:18 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: I have no problem whatsoever acknowledging the awfulness of what happened in North America since 1500. But we’re talking about the twentieth century here, a few generations ago. The people of the territory were betrayed by the British. Indeed, the same man who blocked the immigration of Eastern European refugees to Britain took it upon himself to welcome them to Palestine. GB was being strategic, I'm sure you've heard the expression, 'countries don't have friends, they have interests' GB saw the entire ME at the time as being populated by so-called 'WOGS'. Immediately following WWI their interests primarily revolved around oil, Suez and the U.S. Jewish political diaspora Strategically, Suez was one of, if not the 'most' strategic waterway in the World - gateway to Europe - oil. The defunct Ottoman empire was being carved up - Nationalism was on the rise - a malaise. In hindsight (never admitted) GB in the strategic sense did the correct thing to protect their interests by creating a Jewish homeland - not so much creating - allowing - by stepping aside. Today, the U.S. could not imagine a stronger ally than Israel - Israel is a land of laws - warts and all - the accomplishments and what the country has accomplished since inception is truly remarkable. On the other hand -with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of Arab Nationalism and by extension new states what has the Region accomplished. WHAT?? Of course it is all the Jew's fault? Your comments are more about assigning blame than understanding the context at the time - all countries are the same. - basically OUR interests - devil take the hindmost. By assigning blame u are supporting (justifying) the wars, terrorist actions all conducted under the false flag of Palestinian nationalism for the past 100 years - actions began and perpetuated for over 100 years - generations. The Palestinian 'cause' is a political football - it perpetuates the hate and blame against Israel so necessary for the authoritarian regimes that surround Israel - a nod to the Cold War and again Suez. So called, 'Palestine' is not so much a 'cause' as it is a reason for the hatred, violence and Global unrest for the past century - it fueled it. I'd also remind you that the specie character has not changed a wit for hundreds of years - technology has changed - 70 years ago (only) 2 nuclear devices were dropped - arguably to end the war (it did) but likely more to demonstrate who was the top dog globally (it was). Now, imagine Iraq, Syria, SA, Iran, Jordan having those toys? The nuclear arms race is on-the-rise, Hamas and by extension, Iran ............ (Abraham Accords) saw to that Of course the war cry is, 'Free Palestine', 'River to the Sea'. Quote
herbie Posted February 22 Report Posted February 22 Addressing the original question; why are they not supporting people who won't willingly shoot themselves in the head either? Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 23 Report Posted February 23 On 2/21/2026 at 7:37 PM, eyeball said: That's pretty much why people object to oppression and subjugation wherever they see it. I'm certainly onboard with seeing Iran's regime fall for what it's worth. I just think the chances Trump can do it without making things worse are slim to none. The chances of unarmed Iranian civilian to defeat fully armed murderous mercenaries of Ayatollah without foreign help is none to none. Hitler would have won the war and taken over the world if it was not for foreign intervention. Quote
marcus Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/18/2026 at 7:53 PM, User said: This is not true. They can purchase property. You didn't respond to what I said. Many lands in Israel are owned by the state or by quasi-governmental bodies like the Israel Land Authority or the Jewish National Fund. A significant portion of these lands are allocated preferentially to Jewish citizens, which can make it more difficult for Arab citizens to buy in certain areas. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/18/2026 at 7:56 PM, User said: No, this very specifically applies to hostile territories, and the law is not absolute, but there are significant legal barriers that apply to ALL Israeli citizens, not just Palestinians. Palestinian citizens of Israel face stricter family reunification rules than Jewish citizens—this isn’t theory, it’s law in practice. On 2/18/2026 at 7:56 PM, User said: Israel is not removing Palestinians' right to exist. Israel may not ‘erase’ Palestinians, but occupation, settlements, and discriminatory policies make self-determination nearly impossible. You know this. I know this. Anyone who is seeing what has unfolded knows this. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/19/2026 at 5:22 AM, John Stone said: You know that at the end of WWI the winners – particularly France and GB carved the (losing) Ottoman Empire up – the spoils. Without due regard, several countries were created, so-called, Palestine, was a geographic region – not a state (Country). Palestine was NEVER a country. Fast forward to 1947 – the U.N. partition plan, dividing this geographic REGION between the Arabs and the Jews. The Jewish population - while dissatisfied with the small size of the territory allotted - accepted the compromise – don’t let a great deal get in the way of a good deal? The Arab states and the Arab residents of the geographic region (aka Palestine) rejected the U.N. compromise – the Arabs wanted the whole enchilada – backed by the pan-Arab, relatively new States. Civil War. Jews won and ended up with even more territory ………. and Israel was recognized as a Country. Successive wars followed of course – I image the pan-Arab states were grateful for the U.N. intervention (Russian coercion – Cold War) else Israel would likely be much larger. But lets get back to the Civil war and the partition “The Arab nations should have accepted the U.N. partition plan in 1947” / Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. “It was our mistake for not agreeing to U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181, which called for the establishment of a Jewish state alongside an Arab stat in the British Mandate for Palestine (geographic region).” / Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. According to Abbas, Arabs are at fault for rejecting the plan and should have acted like the Jews and established a STATE when they had a chance. For security concerns, half of so-called Palestine's predominantly Arab population were expelled from their homes or made to flee (Nakba) after the establishment of the State of Israel. This type of exodus is akin to the internment camps for American Japanese during WWII The internment camps for Canadian Japanese during WWII The NA Continents resettlement (slaughter) of the indigenous peoples The Acadian Expulsion 18th century. Red River Rebellion It is a huge mistake to judge history thru the lens of today? History should not be forgotten – but don’t make history the hill you die on! None of this changes the present reality: hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled, dispossessed, and remain under occupation today. History isn’t just a story; it’s the ongoing basis for injustice. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
marcus Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: The chances of unarmed Iranian civilian to defeat fully armed murderous mercenaries of Ayatollah without foreign help is none to none. Hitler would have won the war and taken over the world if it was not for foreign intervention. As an Iranian diaspora, how far are you willing to support Western intervention? How many Iranian civilians would you be okay with to be killed? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, marcus said: As an Iranian diaspora, how far are you willing to support Western intervention? How many Iranian civilians would you be okay with to be killed? You must have seen massive demonstrations by Iranian diaspora all over the world on February 14th. Over one million alone in 3 cities of Toronto (350,000), Munich (250,000) and Los Angeles (350,000) and another half a million elsewhere. They were all united in three things: 1 - Islamic Republic and its leaders must be sent to hell 2 - Prince Reza Pahlavi must lead the Lion and Sun revolution 3 - Trump Action now. R2P for Iran. SOS for Iran (similar to US action in Bosnia when civilians were being massacred by Serbs. Millions of Iranians inside Iran came out to ask for top two above and they were massacred. Estimates between 50,000 to 90,000. Currently over 100,000 arrested and female prisoners are subjected to gang rape by security forces and male ones to torture and executions. It is estimated that at least 10,000 were wounded who were executed by security forces on hospital beds. The reason was because security forces were given three times more money if they kill than if they wound someone. So they went on rampage for more money killing the wounded on streets, in cemeteries and in hospitals. Doctors and nurses who reported this brutality or resisted were arrested too and are now among prisoners subjected to torture and rape. Anyone having videos of massacre are being arrested. An estimated 330,000 were shot and are in hiding. Security forces randomly check the bodies, raid homes and hospitals looking for sign of bullets and arrest those with bullet wounds. Secret executions in hundreds are being carried out. The dead bodies of female victims were raped by security forces. Above atrocities are jus few examples. Even the Nazis did not carry out atrocities of this depth. Islamists are by far more violent than anybody known in the history of mankind. All above actions have been with the direct order of Khamenei (mother-f*cker). His goal is to create terror among population to end the revolution.There is no one more brutal than islamic clergy in power. The regime has brought in thousands of Arab terrorists from Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan to help killing their own people. This brutal murderous Islamic republic has killed over a million since it came to power. Iranians are unarmed and they have now reached this conclusion after decades of trying all possible means to reform or remove this murderous regime. They have reached the conclusion that this is not possible. They are now asking for foreign help (humanitarian, R2P). Hitler was defeated and removed only by foreign intervention. Yes millions of Germans died as a results but Germany and the world and all future generations benefitted from the short term pain. Iranians suffering over 47 years now wish to remove this murderous, brutal genocidal regime by ALL AVAILABLE means including foreign military intervention. Many Iranians inside Iran prefer death to living under Islamic slavery. That is why in spite of extreme violent brutality and so many deaths, protests still continues in Iran. The world regard this as bravery by the nation of Iran and yes bravery in one reason but the other reason is because they don't have anything more to lose. Death is better than living under Islamic republic. They are prepared to pay any price. Yes tens of thousands of Iranian civilians may be more may be sacrificed but they are ready to do this and free their homeland for once and all and for their children and future generations. Freedom at any cost by all available means but they hope that Islamic republic murderous leaders and IRGC and BASIJ will be targeted rather than pro-American civilian population. Edited February 24 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
marcus Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 53 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: You must have seen massive demonstrations by Iranian diaspora all over the world on February 14th. Over one million alone in 3 cities of Toronto (350,000), Munich (250,000) and Los Angeles (350,000) and another half a million elsewhere. They were all united in three things: 1 - Islamic Republic and its leaders must be sent to hell 2 - Prince Reza Pahlavi must lead the Lion and Sun revolution 3 - Trump Action now. R2P for Iran. SOS for Iran (similar to US action in Bosnia when civilians were being massacred by Serbs. Millions of Iranians inside Iran came out to ask for top two above and they were massacred. Estimates between 50,000 to 90,000. Currently over 100,000 arrested and female prisoners are subjected to gang rape by security forces and male ones to torture and executions. It is estimated that at least 10,000 were wounded who were executed by security forces on hospital beds. The reason was because security forces were given three times more money if they kill than if they wound someone. So they went on rampage for more money killing the wounded on streets, in cemeteries and in hospitals. Doctors and nurses who reported this brutality or resisted were arrested too and are now among prisoners subjected to torture and rape. Anyone having videos of massacre are being arrested. An estimated 330,000 were shot and are in hiding. Security forces randomly check the bodies, raid homes and hospitals looking for sign of bullets and arrest those with bullet wounds. Secret executions in hundreds are being carried out. The dead bodies of female victims were raped by security forces. Above atrocities are jus few examples. Even the Nazis did not carry out atrocities of this depth. Islamists are by far more violent than anybody known in the history of mankind. All above actions have been with the direct order of Khamenei (mother-f*cker). His goal is to create terror among population to end the revolution.There is no one more brutal than islamic clergy in power. The regime has brought in thousands of Arab terrorists from Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan to help killing their own people. This brutal murderous Islamic republic has killed over a million since it came to power. Iranians are unarmed and they have now reached this conclusion after decades of trying all possible means to reform or remove this murderous regime. They have reached the conclusion that this is not possible. They are now asking for foreign help (humanitarian, R2P). Hitler was defeated and removed only by foreign intervention. Yes millions of Germans died as a results but Germany and the world and all future generations benefitted from the short term pain. Iranians suffering over 47 years now wish to remove this murderous, brutal genocidal regime by ALL AVAILABLE means including foreign military intervention. Many Iranians inside Iran prefer death to living under Islamic slavery. That is why in spite of extreme violent brutality and so many deaths, protests still continues in Iran. The world regard this as bravery by the nation of Iran and yes bravery in one reason but the other reason is because they don't have anything more to lose. Death is better than living under Islamic republic. They are prepared to pay any price. Yes tens of thousands of Iranian civilians may be more may be sacrificed but they are ready to do this and free their homeland for once and all and for their children and future generations. Freedom at any cost by all available means but they hope that Islamic republic murderous leaders and IRGC and BASIJ will be targeted rather than pro-American civilian population. I think majority of people want the corrupt murderous regime in Iran to be removed. Iranian or non-Iranian. However, my question was in regards to your threshold for Iranian people casualty. Best case scenario is that US hits the Iranian government with precision to take out the top brass, which would lead to the collapse of the decision makers. However, the other scenario is that this will turn into a long war, where a massive number of Iranian people are killed by bombs being dropped by the US. My question, again: Do you have a limit as far as Iranian casualty? Is there a number where you'd stop supporting the attack on Iran, and perhaps come to the realization that it was wrong to support the intervention? 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 7 hours ago, marcus said: You didn't respond to what I said. Many lands in Israel are owned by the state or by quasi-governmental bodies like the Israel Land Authority or the Jewish National Fund. A significant portion of these lands are allocated preferentially to Jewish citizens, which can make it more difficult for Arab citizens to buy in certain areas. I literally quoted you and responded to you. You said: "A Palestinian who is an Israeli citizen cannot purchase property in any part of Israel." That was false. You are now moving the goal posts from saying ANY PART OF ISRAEL to more difficult in certain areas. Quote
User Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 7 hours ago, marcus said: Palestinian citizens of Israel face stricter family reunification rules than Jewish citizens—this isn’t theory, it’s law in practice. No, they do not. They face the same strict family reunification rules as if a Jewish citizen married someone in the Gaza strip or West Bank did... The issue is the area, regardless. 7 hours ago, marcus said: Israel may not ‘erase’ Palestinians, but occupation, settlements, and discriminatory policies make self-determination nearly impossible. You know this. I know this. Anyone who is seeing what has unfolded knows this. Once again, you have moved the goalposts from your original, bogus assertion. There is no may about it, Israel is not erasing Palestinians or their right to existence. They had self-determination in Gaza and chose to squander it on terrorist tunnels and launching rockets from schools. They live under occupation in the areas they do because they have used those lands to launch attacks on Israel. They have turned down peace offerings in the past, as well as two-state solutions, because they only want the destruction of Israel. Quote
John Stone Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 17 hours ago, marcus said: None of this changes the present reality: hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled, dispossessed, and remain under occupation today. History isn’t just a story; it’s the ongoing basis for injustice. They say that those that continually bang their heads against the wall feel immediate relief when they stop banging their head against the wall. The so-called Palestinian's aren't so much a cause celebre for justice as they are simply a political football. Dude, ur debating a geo-graphical area re: something that occurred over 100 years ago. ............ any actions / reactions by the Jews are a reaction/concern for their National security ....HISTORY justifies their actions. HISTORY is riddled with injustice ..............Holocaust is a good read. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 (edited) 20 hours ago, marcus said: I think majority of people want the corrupt murderous regime in Iran to be removed. Iranian or non-Iranian. However, my question was in regards to your threshold for Iranian people casualty. Best case scenario is that US hits the Iranian government with precision to take out the top brass, which would lead to the collapse of the decision makers. However, the other scenario is that this will turn into a long war, where a massive number of Iranian people are killed by bombs being dropped by the US. My question, again: Do you have a limit as far as Iranian casualty? Is there a number where you'd stop supporting the attack on Iran, and perhaps come to the realization that it was wrong to support the intervention? 50,000? 100,000? 500,000? I answered your question. This murderous brutal regime of Islamic republic must be removed by all available means and at any price. I explain in full why a big majority of Iranians want a massive US attack on Islamic Republic (not Iran) including myself at any price. Shows what these bastards have done that such a nationalistic nation would desire foreign invasion so strongly and ready to sacrifice. The US and Israel too are fully aware of pro-American nature of this nation so they will do their best to concentrate on centers of repression such as IRGC and BASIJ and intelligence bases however, it is a fact that some possibly many civilians may die too. They are casualties for liberation of Iran from 1400 years of f*cking Islamic occupation. As soon as the murderous Islamist are disarmed or dead by US-Israeli massive bombardments, the nation of Iran will rise one more time in millions and will try to disarm the rest and take over government institutions and I hope they hang every mullah and anyone belonging to security forces to the nearest tree and lamp post. Much more civilians will die in this second phase of takeover by still armed security forces than by American bombardments accidently hit them. Edited February 25 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
John Stone Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 30 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: I answered your question. This murderous brutal regime of Islamic republic must be removed by all available means and at any price. I explain in full why a big majority of Iranians want a massive US attack on Islamic Republic (not Iran) including myself at any price. Shows what these bastards have done that such a nationalistic nation would desire foreign invasion so strongly and ready to sacrifice. The US and Israel too are fully aware of pro-American nature of this nation so they will do their best to concentrate on centers of repression such as IRGC and BASIJ and intelligence bases however, it is a fact that some possibly many civilians may die too. They are casualties for liberation of Iran from 1400 years of f*cking Islamic occupation. As soon as the murderous Islamist are disarmed or dead by US-Israeli massive bombardments, the nation of Iran will rise one more time in millions and will try to disarm the rest and take over government institutions and I hope they hang every mullah and anyone belonging to security forces to the nearest tree and lamp post. Much more civilians will die in this second phase of takeover by still armed security forces than by American bombardments accidently hit them. .............. I've always considered international defense on humanitarian grounds to be highly disingenuous. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 1 hour ago, John Stone said: .............. I've always considered international defense on humanitarian grounds to be highly disingenuous. Well you are wrong. Many examples that it saves many lives and a country, even continents. A recent and closer example was US intervention in Bosnia in 1999 by Clinton when genocide was being carried out by Serbian army against civilian population in Bosnia, US bombardment stopped that and in long term resulted in the fall of fascist regime in Serbia Quote
John Stone Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 17 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Well you are wrong. Many examples that it saves many lives and a country, even continents. A recent and closer example was US intervention in Bosnia in 1999 by Clinton when genocide was being carried out by Serbian army against civilian population in Bosnia, US bombardment stopped that and in long term resulted in the fall of fascist regime in Serbia Bosnia was a NATO operation. Forgive me for saying that you appear to be very cavalier about deploying troops for what u perceive to be humanitarian reasons - people die? A Nation's armed forces are designed to provide security for the Nation...........not acting in pursuit of humanitarian concerns. If that was the case Haiti would be a poster child for such action. Nation's act in their own self interests - in concert with other Nations in pursuit of solidarity, treaty agreements or geo-conquest by another country that threatens 'said' country's national security; strategic, economic or otherwise. Deploying troops (particularly boots) requires domestic public support (Congress) ......... x10 if it morphs into a war with legs - the military is a cross-strata of the domestic population, sons, fathers, daughters, mothers. Humanitarian reasons - def a political hacks argument - they realize the domestic population are incapable of understanding the greater argument for action. Geo-politics and by extension security, economics, ideology is the oxygen that fuels a country's actions, defensive or offensive. If you understand European history you will understand the machinations of Nations that has been going on since Hastings - before. Nothing has changed - weapons have changed. Quote
herbie Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 On 2/23/2026 at 1:34 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said: The chances of unarmed Iranian civilian to defeat fully armed murderous mercenaries of Ayatollah without foreign help is none to none. They managed to throw out the puppet Shah and his murderous and unpopular regime. didn't they? How soon we forget. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 On 2/26/2026 at 3:36 PM, herbie said: They managed to throw out the puppet Shah and his murderous and unpopular regime. didn't they? How soon we forget. You are totally ignorant so stop posting about things you have no idea. The Islamist coup of 1979 was not a revolutioN. Was a coup. And the reason it succeded was because the Shah was not a murderers. He refused to order the army to kill. But this regime is murderous. They killed over 50,000 in 48 hours and they will kill the entire population or millions in order to stay in power. No comparison. You are a damn leftist anti-Iranian. You can go to hell. We will lIberate our homeland and will declare war on your kind. LONG LIVE IRAN LONG LIVE USA LONG LIVE ISRAEL DEATH TO ISLAMISTS AND SLAMIC REPUBLIC Quote
herbie Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: You are totally ignorant so stop posting about things you have no idea. The Islamist coup of 1979 was not a revolutioN. So brainwashed the soap bubbles are still coming out your ears. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 35 minutes ago, herbie said: So brainwashed the soap bubbles are still coming out your ears. You kind are defeated. Islamic republic is attacked. Its murderous leader sent to hell. Islamic republic regime will soon be overthrown and we will take over. DOWN WITH THE LEFTISTS. DOWN WITH PRO-PALESTINE. LONG LIVE USA LONG LIVE ISRAEL. Quote
John Stone Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 On 2/26/2026 at 4:36 PM, herbie said: They managed to throw out the puppet Shah and his murderous and unpopular regime. didn't they? How soon we forget. SAVAK vs. IRGC? SAVAK were amateurs. Quote
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