Ghosted by the one who did the mastectomy': Detransitioners face 'detransphobia,' study finds

[CdnFox]

Detransitioners abandoned by doctors, community face 'detransphobia' | National Post

So the short version is if someone who has transitioned or started to transition changes their mind they are attacked and ostracized by the community that encouraged them to do it in the first place. Apparently the LGBQT community as well as the medical community consider it a betrayal.  So much for caring about people's gender identity or any rights etc. they only use these people as fodder to promote their agenda when it's useful to them and abandon them the moment they are a problem

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Detransitioners abandoned by doctors, community face 'detransphobia' | National Post

So the short version is if someone who has transitioned or started to transition changes their mind they are attacked and ostracized by the community that encouraged them to do it in the first place. Apparently the LGBQT community as well as the medical community consider it a betrayal.  So much for caring about people's gender identity or any rights etc. they only use these people as fodder to promote their agenda when it's useful to them and abandon them the moment they are a problem

So next time make up your mind and quit fùcking around.

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So next time make up your mind and quit fùcking around.

but but but but gender is FLUID! It's a social construct! IF you can change the first time, why wouldn't your gender be able to change a second time? Or 10 times?

Fact is there are real cases of gender disphoria that need to be addressed over time but a LOT of the cases are people being pushed into making decisions by medical "professionals" and lgbtq activist types that they shouldn't have made and then regretting it, and those people don't want that fact exposed. 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

So next time make up your mind and quit fùcking around.

Yes miss.

[Michael Hardner]

The original article is paywalled so it's hard to tell what is being asserted. 

Why would anyone care if someone detransitions?  Never heard of that. I've heard of gay people coming out bi and being afraid of reactions, but they were welcomed too, in the end. 

If someone has a supporting article that's readable that would be great. Thanks.

Edited October 7, 2025 by Michael Hardner

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The original article is paywalled so it's hard to tell what is being asserted. 

Why would anyone care if someone detransitions?  Never heard of that. I've heard of gay people coming out bi and being afraid of reactions, but they were welcomed to. 

If someone has a supporting article that's readable that would be great. Thanks.

Just opened the link, no paywall.

[User]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why would anyone care if someone detransitions?  Never heard of that.

Sure.

They care because it destroys the narrative that children who mistakenly believe they are something they are not might actually not be trans. It destroys the whole narrative that we must transition children. 

There are plenty of examples out there, but Chloe Cole is one of the best, as she used her situation as a platform for change to show how she was harmed by this trans the children movement. 

Here is an example of someone caring about her:

LTTE: Speakers like Chloe Cole threaten safety of transgender, marginalized students
https://collegian.com/articles/opinion/2025/04/category-opinion-ltte-speakers-like-chloe-cole-threaten-the-safety-of-transgender-marginalized-students-on-campus/

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Just opened the link, no paywall.

So it seems 😯

 

1 hour ago, User said:

Sure.

They care because it destroys the narrative that children who mistakenly believe they are something they are not might actually not be trans.  

Well that's ridiculous. No one should pretend detransitioning doesn't exist.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The original article is paywalled so it's hard to tell what is being asserted. 

Why would anyone care if someone detransitions?  Never heard of that. I've heard of gay people coming out bi and being afraid of reactions, but they were welcomed too, in the end. 

If someone has a supporting article that's readable that would be great. Thanks.

Not paywalled for me, and i'm not paying them   remember you can always use archive. Here's an archive link

Detransitioners abandoned by doctors, community face 'detransphobia' | National Post

And I mentioned why people care that someone who transitions. The "Pro trans" groups look at it very negatively because it strengthens the argument that people are being transitioned who weren't actually trans and who were kind of talked into it. It suggests we should be going slower with transitioning and that is not something that their agenda likes.

And retransitioning happens quite a bit. It's not uncommon at all for someone to transition into the other sex and then a few years later decide that that was a mistake and they really worthy original sex all along.

[User]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well that's ridiculous. No one should pretend detransitioning doesn't exist.

Well, I agree, but it is not just about pretending it doesn't exist. Pointing out that those who do detransition are in fact attacked and ostracized. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, User said:

 Pointing out that those who do detransition are in fact attacked and ostracized. 

 

I'm sure that exists but neither here nor there.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure that exists but neither here nor there.

It's literally the whole point.

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's literally the whole point.

It's not.

A doctor or group of doctors, or institution is publicly accountable. 

A bunch of individuals are not. 

Coming on here to cast aspersions against an unorganized group is only a feel-good measure.

[User]

31 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sure that exists but neither here nor there.

I was responding to you:
"Why would anyone care if someone detransitions?  Never heard of that. "

[User]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's not.

A doctor or group of doctors, or institution is publicly accountable. 

A bunch of individuals are not. 

Coming on here to cast aspersions against an unorganized group is only a feel-good measure.

Yes, in fact, they are. There are all sorts of things from social norms to pressure to societal responses like shame that do, in fact, hold people publicly accountable. 

It's the same reason why in places like Canada and America, it is not socially acceptable to call black people the N word anymore. 

But you would have us believe that we should all find it cool that black people are called the N word, and it is just a feel-good measure to call them out for it?

 

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, in fact, they are. There are all sorts of things from social norms to pressure to societal responses like shame that do, in fact, hold people publicly accountable. 

It's the same reason why in places like Canada and America, it is not socially acceptable to call black people the N word anymore. 

But you would have us believe that we should all find it cool that black people are called the N word, and it is just a feel-good measure to call them out for it?

 

Would you think it's a good idea to post a complaint thread about an individual who called someone the n-word? I wouldn't think so. 

 

[Michael Hardner]

I was able to see the original article but only the abstract of the study.

 

I agree with the conclusion, though, based on the fact that it's a real study and that it's an obvious response:

"Greater understanding and community-led care relating to detransition/retransition from an LGBTQ2S+-affirming lens can help to mitigate minority stressors and distress associated with these experiences."

People should be supportive and of course detransitions need equal support.

 

[User]

46 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Would you think it's a good idea to post a complaint thread about an individual who called someone the n-word? I wouldn't think so. 

 

Except, this was a post commenting on more than one individual; it was a commentary on how the "community" and their "doctors" have done something here... 

And yes, depending on the individual, you still call them out. How many stories do we get every year on any kind of blatant acts of racism going on? More than zero are made into national news stories. 

Hell, remember that poor kid who was brought on stage by a rapper and sang the song lyrics that included the N word?
 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, User said:

1. Except, this was a post commenting on more than one individual; it was a commentary on how the "community" and their "doctors" have done something here... 

2. And yes, depending on the individual, you still call them out.

3. How many stories do we get every year on any kind of blatant acts of racism going on? More than zero are made into national news stories. 

4. Hell, remember that poor kid who was brought on stage by a rapper and sang the song lyrics that included the N word?
 

1. 2. That's fine. A community, and their doctors are two separate groups. One of them are bound by a professional oath that actually binds them to all doctors. The other is just a bunch of people. 

I don't see the point in coming on here and saying the lgbtq community is like that or like this. It's just complaining. 

You can do it though. I just don't see what the point of doing that is, on a politics board. 

I could complain about the people of Canada, the people of the USA, the people of the Winnipeg. The Winnipeg. Where's that going to go? I don't see how it would lead to any kind of progressive discussion. 

3. I just don't see the point of moral finger pointing. In fact, people on here usually Express that they're tired of such things.. especially when the finger points at their group, such as white people. 

4. No.  How that could have been a story that anyone would care about, outside the concert hall, is beyond me.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. 2. That's fine. A community, and their doctors are two separate groups. One of them are bound by a professional oath that actually binds them to all doctors. The other is just a bunch of people. 

I don't see the point in coming on here and saying the lgbtq community is like that or like this. It's just complaining. 

You can do it though. I just don't see what the point of doing that is, on a politics board. 

I could complain about the people of Canada, the people of the USA, the people of the Winnipeg. The Winnipeg. Where's that going to go? I don't see how it would lead to any kind of progressive discussion. 

3. I just don't see the point of moral finger pointing. In fact, people on here usually Express that they're tired of such things.. especially when the finger points at their group, such as white people. 

4. No.  How that could have been a story that anyone would care about, outside the concert hall, is beyond me.

It is no surprise to me, that you, taking your position on the trans issue that you do, would find no point here when it comes to how the community you support treats someone destransitioning. 

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's not.

A doctor or group of doctors, or institution is publicly accountable. 

A bunch of individuals are not. 

 

Sure they are. Go misgender someone publicly, especially someone who has transitioned, and tell me all about how you are not held accountable  

And seeing as it was previously stated these are the same institutions and people and medical professionals who helped originally that are turning it back on them and shunning  them, what we're talking about IS institutions and doctors.  And the point is that yes, this does exist.  That's not "here nor there'.

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Coming on here to cast aspersions against an unorganized group is only a feel-good measure.

Sorry, should I have called them a chud first?

And your statement is absolutely false into monsterably so. And I know you have often held a different opinion in the past. We frequently talk about the challenges that various groups face in dealing with people. First nations talk constantly about the challenges they face from racism and not just with institutions. The entire transgender movement is about how society must accept them individually, not just as organizations or medical professionals.  Teachers have said that they feel parents have no rights in the matter, parents aren't any kind of 'organization'. 

And how about the big one? Tell me have you seen any posts on this forum that accused trump supporters for example of this or that? You have participated in those conversations and at the time you certainly did not take the attitude that casting aspersions against an unorganized group is only a feel-good measure.

Your attempting to deflect the conversation entirely. People and organizations and professionals who once supported these people are now turning against them and that is happening. You can't try and trivialize it in an effort to make it go away

[Michael Hardner]

11 minutes ago, User said:

It is no surprise to me, that you, taking your position on the trans issue that you do, would find no point here when it comes to how the community you support treats someone destransitioning. 

 

 

Except I said I agree with the finding.

You're a culture warrior, so you only want to fight...

I don't disparage communities, as a rule.

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure they are. Go misgender someone publicly, especially someone who has transitioned, and tell me all about how you are not held accountable  

 

I'm not a group.

You want to throw mud at libbies, Albertans... whatever... Fill your boots...

 

[User]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Except I said I agree with the finding.

You're a culture warrior, so you only want to fight...

I don't disparage communities, as a rule.

And yet here you are fighting the fight. There is a reason why I can almost always find you in these threads. 

 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm not a group.

 

 

Sure you are. In fact you're in several groups I'm sure. You're part of this group.

You trying to find a lawyer's way out of this by changing definitions and trying to jiggle meanings until somehow you can make somebody responsible and yet not responsible at the same time. Aside from quantum mechanics that's not how the universe works