Is PM Mark Carney bilingual.

[August1991]

On 10/16/2025 at 12:29 PM, CdnFox said:

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Carney wasn't thinking about being prime minister 10 years go, or even 5 years ago. He never ran for office, he never announced intent, Some liberals talked about recruiting him but it never went anywhere, and then he saw the perfect opportunity to try. So him and freeland set up a fake 'leadership race'. If that opportunity hadn't been there he never would have bothered. 

Trump had a goal. He was bound and determined to run again and win at any cost. Spent 4 years working towards that.  not an opportunist. 

Disagree.

Carney was ambitious, wanted to be PM, top dog. Young, he married a woman to help him to win.

Trump was competitive. In any game, he just wanted to be first.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

Carney was ambitious, wanted to be PM, top dog. Young, he married a woman to help him to win.

 

He's never shown an interest until extremely recently and his woman is of no help to him.

This isn't an opinion, it's just the way it is. He's on opportunity and he grabbed it. He's an opportunist

[BeaverFever]

On 10/13/2025 at 12:39 PM, CdnFox said:

true.  Ambitious people say "i want to win". Competitive people say "And i want you to lose,"

Trump is both.  Carney is neither comptetative NOR ambitious.  He's an opportunist.  An opportunist says "what can i steal for myself today without too much work, and then ''ll be gone tomorrow" 

Nonsense this is just baseless Liberal Derangement Syndrome talking 

[BeaverFever]

On 10/16/2025 at 12:29 PM, CdnFox said:

Carney wasn't thinking about being prime minister 10 years go, or even 5 years ago. He never ran for office, he never announced intent, Some liberals talked about recruiting him but it never went anywhere, and then he saw the perfect opportunity to try. So him and freeland set up a fake 'leadership race'. If that opportunity hadn't been there he never would have bothered. 

The Liberals have been talking to him for a few years about at least a Cabinet role, and it was something he had mulled. He had advised the LOC on economic issues on multiple occasions including most recently in 2024 when Trudeau was still the presumptive leader. The leadership race was a party referendum on continuing the Trudeau left-wing leadership (represented by Trudeau’s longtime deputy PM Freeland) or pivoting to a more right wing “business Liberal” leadership. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Nonsense this is just baseless Liberal Derangement Syndrome talking 

So you couldn't refute a single word and just had a little breakdown instead  

Well it's said that the left has more mental health issues. You do what you gotta do to get by big guy  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The Liberals have been talking to him for a few years about at least a Cabinet role,

Sure.  And he looked at the opportunity but was not interested for the most part. 

But  then the opportunity to be prime minister came along. And he jumped at it.  

He's an opportunist.  If he sees a 20 on the ground he'll bend over to pick it up if it's not too much work. 

He's running canada the same.  Promised to deal with trump, tried for like 5 minutes then it was too hard so he caved and did what he's told. Easier that way.  Tried to fix interprovincal trade for 5 minutes, too hard gave up.  Etc. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/13/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

true.  Ambitious people say "i want to win". Competitive people say "And i want you to lose,"

Trump is both.  Carney is neither comptetative NOR ambitious.  He's an opportunist.  An opportunist says "what can i steal for myself today without too much work, and then ''ll be gone tomorrow" 

In most games with one winner, I can’t see the difference described. And nobody can describe Trump as a good loser. He has been deeply vengeful and has talked about that. All successful politicians must be opportunists because politics demands an ability to take advantage of changing circumstances. Hypocrisy is a vital virtue too but we’ll leave that for another day. 

Carney has been highly ambitious in his life and spectacularly successful by any measure. Any leader of a major political party deserves to be described in that way, let alone one who has just become prime minister. I’d say he has been thinking vaguely about running the country for decades, a very common fantasy. What makes me laugh is when any politician says he isn’t thinking of it - they all are all the time! It’s their default daydream. But there’s a difference between that and actively planning to become leader of a party and PM. That was much more recent. 
 

Edited October 26, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

I can’t recall an ambitious person who isn’t competitive or vice versa. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In most games with one winner, I can’t see the difference described.

We're not talking about a 'game', and most endeavors don't have just one winner.

An ambitious person may want to be a billionaire one day.  He doesn't care how many other people are billionaires, as long as he is. 

An ambitious person may want to be a doctor one day. That's pretty ambitious consideirng the costs and education etc.  But he doesn't care if there's other doctors. 

A competitive person may want to be the prime minister - he wants to beat everyone else and there can be only one.  A competitive poker player wants to win ALL the money. He wants to be the only winner, the last man standing.

The two are very different. 

Having said that you can definitely have people who are both 

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I can’t recall an ambitious person who isn’t competitive or vice versa. 

You need to get out more  

[SpankyMcFarland]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We're not talking about a 'game', and most endeavors don't have just one winner.

We are talking about a game, as in a competition. War is considered a game in that sense. 

 

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

An ambitious person may want to be a billionaire one day.  He doesn't care how many other people are billionaires, as long as he is. 

That may be how a person starts to make a billion but every billionaire has competed ferociously with other particular people in their business and has seen their companies disappear. The rivalries are intense and often bitter. That’s what civil suits are for - to stop these rivalries getting any more dangerous as they do in some countries. Capitalism is relentlessly Darwinian. 

 

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

An ambitious person may want to be a doctor one day. That's pretty ambitious consideirng the costs and education etc.  But he doesn't care if there's other doctors. 

Getting into med school is a competition. You are graded on a bell curve so you have to beat other people and you judge that in the first instance by beating the people around you. Getting into the specialty you want is also highly competitive. Doctors are competitive. They may play that down when talking to patients but not when talking about each other. 

 

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

A competitive person may want to be the prime minister - he wants to beat everyone else and there can be only one.  A competitive poker player wants to win ALL the money. He wants to be the only winner, the last man standing.

The two are very different. 

Having said that you can definitely have people who are both 

You need to get out more  

A person who is not highly competitive has zero chance of being PM in any country. The PM is the last person standing in the brutal fight to be PM. There are few lines of work where a competitive streak is more vital. Your opponents are in the other party but your enemies are all around you. 

Edited October 27, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

That’s just how I personally understand these words. I haven’t put much thought into this matter before it was raised. 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We are talking about a game, as in a competition. War is considered a game in that sense. 

No, nobody considers war a game except trump who seems to think that it's all about cards  

 

 

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That may be how a person starts to make a billion but every billionaire has competed ferociously with other particular people in their business and has seen their companies disappear. The rivalries are intense and often bitter. That’s what civil suits are for - to stop these rivalries getting any more dangerous as they do in some countries. Capitalism is relentlessly Darwinian. 

Nonsense. And having arrival does not mean that you're particularly competitive, just that you see someone as an impediment to achieving your goals. Again, most billionaires don't need other people to fail in order for them to achieve what they want, if it happens to work out that way then that's how it happens to work out but they don't require it.

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Getting into med school is a competition. You are graded on a bell curve so you have to beat other people and you judge that in the first instance by beating the people around you. Getting into the specialty you want is also highly competitive. Doctors are competitive. They may play that down when talking to patients but not when talking about each other. 

Pretty much everybody who qualifies can get into med school and the fact is while some people may not make it you don't need anyone else to fail to achieve your goal. If you get into a medical school and nobody else who was qualified was turned away you still achieved your goal and your happy.

Do you see the difference? A competitive person needs the other people to fail in order to feel that they have succeeded. And ambitious person does not need the other people to fail, and if they do oh well and if they don't great. All they care about is achieving their goal they don't care about whether or not anyone else achieves theirs.

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A person who is not highly competitive has zero chance of being PM in any country. The PM is the last person standing in the brutal fight to be PM. There are few lines of work where a competitive streak is more vital. Your opponents are in the other party but your enemies are all around you. 

Carney isn't terribly competitive. He is opportunistic. The liberals realized that they were failing horribly and we're going to get slaughter ed and looking for a white night who could keep them in power and they're simply was nobody else so they grabbed carney. Take a look at his leadership race, it was basically three other people standing around saying how great carney was for a week or so and then they elected him.

I would agree that the vast majority of people who become prime minister or president are competitive. Trump certainly is, it's not enough for him to be president he has to be the best president ever and everyone else has to be crushed. But sometimes you can get an opportunist who grabs an opportunity that they see

Like I said, you can be both. But at the end of the day somebody who's competitive needs other people to fail in order to succeed, somebody who's Ambitious does not require anyone else to fail, all they require is to achieve their objectives. It's possible other people around them may fail in the course of that but it's not something that they need to have happen in order to consider themselves successful

[John Stone]

Those that have accumulated great wealth arrive at the realization that they can't take it with them - they enjoy the trappings of wealth and the power it conveys but unfortunately, we all peg out - forgotten - they get it. 

At some point this realization motivates towards personal legacy - perhaps just a note in history but at least a mention - or perhaps something even greater - more than a rock in a cemetery. 

This phenom does not manifest itself in youth - far from it, generally youth are busy tilting at windmills - attempting to change the world? Pi$$ing into the wind - self righteous - arrogant (hi, Justin)

I believe that Trump is at this point in his life ........

Carney (?)

Carney is definitely not 'in it' for the cash ............. power, empathy for those living in dumpsters .... ah, no

What's left. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, John Stone said:

Those that have accumulated great wealth arrive at the realization that they can't take it with them - they enjoy the trappings of wealth and the power it conveys but unfortunately, we all peg out - forgotten - they get it. 

At some point this realization motivates towards personal legacy - perhaps just a note in history but at least a mention - or perhaps something even greater - more than a rock in a cemetery. 

This phenom does not manifest itself in youth - far from it, generally youth are busy tilting at windmills - attempting to change the world? Pi$$ing into the wind - self righteous - arrogant (hi, Justin)

I believe that Trump is at this point in his life ........

Carney (?)

Carney is definitely not 'in it' for the cash ............. power, empathy for those living in dumpsters .... ah, no

What's left. 

I think carney is in for permanent membership to the 'big boys club'.  When he was governor's of the various central banks he had some access to the big movers and players, he could go to parties with prime ministers and such. But after he left that was a lot more limited. He was still in the rich boys club but not the exclusive world power club.

Prime ministers and ex prime ministers tend to remain members of that club. Notice how since he's been elected he has spent almost as much time out of Canada hobnobbing with other leaders and the elites of power almost as much as he spends time at home trying to look at our problems.

This is why he's trying to appear to be both for and against pipelines, for and against global warming, for and against reducing taxes and supercharging business as well as increasing taxes and giving stuff to the poor.

His legacy is he wants to retire on literally tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars a year and he wants for as many world leaders as possible to pick up his call when he gives them a shout to ask what's going on cuz he's going to be in town.

And I believe about 4 years he hits retirement age at 65 and I think shortly after that is intention is to become a world jet setting power broker type who still hobnobs with all the big players and make some scene amounts of cash to live as lavish a lifestyle as possible doing it