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43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL it happened and the shooter is going to jail, probably the electric chair.  turns out you can't just 'break the law'. 

And again, you were fine with censorship when it invloved biden's notebook or the whitehouse putting pressure on the social media companies to repress conservatives or the IRS doing it with conservative companies etc etc etc.  That made you happy, but now you're soooo hurt by it. 

Please. Your crocodile tears fool no one. 

Can you provide me with the link where it was found the government ordered that? Because I’m talking about the first amendment, not what private companies and individuals do in their own time. 
Besides, even if your whataboutism were relevant, it would then just be something that is also wrong. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You misunderstood what I was saying. Of course he’s president. 

Yes, of course he is, but you are pushing some conspiratorial nonsense about how he shouldn't be. 

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Nonsense.  Hell the actual owner of youtube verified it

No, you’ve distorted the story beyond all recognition and don’t know the facts. The FBI never told anyone to censor content specifically about “Biden’s notebook”   They encouraged companies to have their own independent policy to identify and remove foreign disinformation and to enforce it.  They didn’t tell them what or who to censor  

Similarly during the pandemic they pressured social media companies to crack sown on COVID disinformation  Specifically:"When confronted with a deadly pandemic, this Administration encouraged responsible actions to protect public health and safety. Our position has been clear and consistent: we believe tech companies and other private actors should take into account the effects their actions have on the American people, while making independent choices about the information they present."

They did NOT demand certain public figures be censored for insulting Biden, which is the equivalent of what Trump did to Kimmel and it ridiculous but typical of you to pretend these are the same thing  

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That's a lot of words to admit you know i'm right. 

LMAO this is that pathetic thing you do when I bury you with evidence that you can’t refute. “Wah you typed too many words my ADHD to process!”  And then without any attempt at explanation you somehow claim baselessly that the things that prove you wrong actually prove you right. Like you think it’s some master debate move to just reply “you proved me right” no matter what the other person says. It’s really sad. 

Posted
1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO this is that pathetic thing you do when I bury you with evidence that you can’t refute.

Says the guy who pathetically runs away from just about every thread we have ever been in when I have done the same to you. 

 

 

Posted (edited)
36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The link you provided is talk about campaign contributions and political advertising, not people who say things politicians don’t like. 

 

 

He’s being paid, isn’t he? He’s not someone freely expressing his opinion.

He and his media outlets consistently favor the Democrats, and a media outlet shouldn’t side with either the Democrats or the Republicans.

This is pure manipulation of the electorate and is anti-democratic.

Millions of people listen to him.

In any democracy worthy of the name, freedom of speech is a fundamental right — but it is not absolute, and even less applicable to those who are paid to spread political messages. When someone is compensated to promote a party or ideology, it ceases to be civic expression and becomes a contractual or commercial activity, subject to specific regulations.

Take the example of Jimmy Kimmel and his affiliated media outlets, which openly support the Democratic Party. It is entirely legitimate to regulate or restrict such media, whether aligned with Democrats or Republicans. The issue is not about censoring opinions, but about safeguarding the public sphere from manipulation orchestrated by partisan interests.

Congress and the House of Commons should pass legislation that guarantees balance and fairness in the media, ensuring that such laws serve justice — not provide a highway for propaganda from criminals or extremist groups. This kind of regulation is not about silencing citizens, but about preserving democratic health in the face of funded disinformation campaigns.

As the American Constitution Society points out in its analysis Paid Speech Isn’t Free:

“If money is equivalent to political speech, then that speech is not free.”

This statement captures a fundamental truth: paid speech is not free speech. It is contractual, strategic — sometimes propagandistic. And it must be treated as such.

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Posted
Just now, Chrissy1979 said:

Of course he shouldn’t be.

Sigh. Now you want to play stupid dishonest games as if you don't know what we are talking about. You said:

"If lawfulness still mattered, Trump wouldn’t be president."

And... you are running away from all the other garbage you have said because you can't defend it. 

 

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, User said:

Sigh. Now you want to play stupid dishonest games as if you don't know what we are talking about. You said:

"If lawfulness still mattered, Trump wouldn’t be president."

And... you are running away from all the other garbage you have said because you can't defend it. 

Trump just instructed the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies, and he even made it public to show that the old rule of law doesn’t apply anymore. The only law in a dictatorship is whatever the dictator wants.

Posted
27 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Trump just instructed the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies, and he even made it public to show that the old rule of law doesn’t apply anymore. The only law in a dictatorship is whatever the dictator wants.

So, unable to even try to defend any of the other garbage you post, true to form as I called out earlier, you throw more mud at the wall. 

 

 

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, User said:

So, unable to even try to defend any of the other garbage you post, true to form as I called out earlier, you throw more mud at the wall. 

 

Defend it? I even posted links to clarify and back up what I was saying. Then you had nothing.
In the same position yesterday, you were afraid to say anything further because you knew you were lying, so you posted no link at all. Busted again. 😝 

Posted
Just now, Chrissy1979 said:

Defend it? I even posted links to clarify and back up what I was saying. Then you had nothing.
In the same position yesterday, you were afraid to say anything further because you knew you were lying, so you posted no link at all. Busted again. 😝 

And now we move to the gaslighting phase where instead of defending your BS, you just pretend like you did. 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Can you provide me with the link where it was found the government ordered that? Because I’m talking about the first amendment, not what private companies and individuals do in their own time. 
Besides, even if your whataboutism were relevant, it would then just be something that is also wrong. 

Yes i can', but i've been providing you links for days now and all you do is either run away crying calling me names or ignore and carry on lying. 

Soooo what's the point? I never see you posting links ;)  

And ABC is the one who cancelled kimmel, so if your point is that this doesn't apply to companies then i guess this isn't a free speech issue :) 

LOL  well you just can't keep your lies straight can you :)  

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Posted
5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yes i can', but i've been providing you links for days now and all you do is either run away crying calling me names or ignore and carry on lying. 

Soooo what's the point? I never see you posting links ;)  

And ABC is the one who cancelled kimmel, so if your point is that this doesn't apply to companies then i guess this isn't a free speech issue :) 

LOL  well you just can't keep your lies straight can you :)  

You have to pretend the FCC made no threats because you can’t justify the FCC making threats. 

Posted
Just now, Chrissy1979 said:

You have to pretend the FCC made no threats because you can’t justify the FCC making threats. 

I don't have to pretend anything. You just said that free speech law and such doesn't apply to business and this was a business decision. The business cancelled one of it's shows :)

This was YOUR claim. Not mine. :)  LOLOL

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Had better start running."

Posted
1 hour ago, User said:

Says the guy who pathetically runs away from just about every thread we have ever been in when I have done the same to you. 

I don’t “run away”. Unlike losers like you who have no life outside the the internet and presumably live alone, I limit the time I spend going round and round with people making absurd  arguments like your claim that Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election were no different than Gore exercising the explicit provision that allows any candidate to request a manual recount, or your suggestion that Trump’s baseless lawsuits being dismissed as lacking the basic standard for evidence or legal argument for a hearing and tossed out more than 60 times is the same thing as Al Gore winning his cases in all the way up to highest level of appeal and losing by a single SCOTUS vote and that Trump’s refusal to concede the election until after his Jan 6 assault on the Capitol failed is the exact same thing as Gore conceding as soon as the SCOTUS decision was delivered. 
 

Amd here you are trolling me when I wasn’t even talking to you. AGAIN. You’ve got Beaver Derangement Syndrome. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Amd here you are trolling me when I wasn’t even talking to you.

Its a public forum. If you are going to sit on here talking crap to people when you do the same kind of crap as you complain about, be prepared to get called out for it. 

Now, run along coward. 

 

 

Posted
32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't have to pretend anything. You just said that free speech law and such doesn't apply to business and this was a business decision. The business cancelled one of it's shows :)

This was YOUR claim. Not mine. :)  LOLOL

Because of a threat by the FCC. Now you’re going to argue it’s okay for them to make threats?

Posted
1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Because of a threat by the FCC. Now you’re going to argue it’s okay for them to make threats?

Except... no one who actually made the decisions says it was because of the threat. 

 

 

 

Posted
22 minutes ago, User said:

Except... no one who actually made the decisions says it was because of the threat. 

 

Yes, when people give in to threats they typically say what you want, don’t they? That’s kind of how threats work.
What we know for sure is they made the threat and you guys don’t care that they did, even though it’s exploiting Kirk’s death to destroy something he dedicated his life to. 
And you thought those random people online were disrespectful of his death. It was all projection.

Posted
1 minute ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Yes, when people give in to threats they typically say what you want, don’t they? That’s kind of how threats work.
What we know for sure is they made the threat and you guys don’t care that they did, even though it’s exploiting Kirk’s death to destroy something he dedicated his life to. 
And you thought those random people online were disrespectful of his death. It was all projection.

It is your presumption they gave into threats, not a fact. It is not even a fact taht "you guys" to include me don't care either. 

You are a broken record, mindlessly repeating the same talking point over and over again. Its all you got. 

 

 

Posted
38 minutes ago, User said:

It is your presumption they gave into threats, not a fact. It is not even a fact taht "you guys" to include me don't care either. 

You are a broken record, mindlessly repeating the same talking point over and over again. Its all you got. 

You're saying it's okay to make threats if the threats are ignored...even when the evidence suggests they weren't ignored? 

Posted
15 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

You're saying it's okay to make threats if the threats are ignored...

No. Nowhere did I say that. 

15 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said:

.even when the evidence suggests they weren't ignored? 

What evidence? 

The people who cancelled Kimmel explained their process and motivations, none of which included the threats. 

 

 

Posted
12 minutes ago, User said:

No. Nowhere did I say that. 

What evidence? 

The people who cancelled Kimmel explained their process and motivations, none of which included the threats. 

Again, you don’t seem to understand how threats work. We saw the threat. Everything else is just a threatened party responding under duress.

Posted
7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No, you’ve distorted the story beyond all recognition and don’t know the facts. The FBI never told anyone to censor content specifically about “Biden’s notebook”   They encouraged companies to have their own independent policy to identify and remove foreign disinformation and to enforce it.  They didn’t tell them what or who to censor  

Similarly during the pandemic they pressured social media companies to crack sown on COVID disinformation  Specifically:"When confronted with a deadly pandemic, this Administration encouraged responsible actions to protect public health and safety. Our position has been clear and consistent: we believe tech companies and other private actors should take into account the effects their actions have on the American people, while making independent choices about the information they present."

They did NOT demand certain public figures be censored for insulting Biden, which is the equivalent of what Trump did to Kimmel and it ridiculous but typical of you to pretend these are the same thing  

 

LMAO this is that pathetic thing you do when I bury you with evidence that you can’t refute. “Wah you typed too many words my ADHD to process!”  And then without any attempt at explanation you somehow claim baselessly that the things that prove you wrong actually prove you right. Like you think it’s some master debate move to just reply “you proved me right” no matter what the other person says. It’s really sad. 

There's no distortion. And there was no disinformation, it definitely was his notebook. The FBI absolutely stepped in And cast out on the Authenticity of the notebook and without information and definitely knowingly created a situation where the media company's thought that there was doubt about the notebook and that bad things would happen if they talked about it

It's just a simple fact. The one twisting the truth here is you. You're pretending the FBI did absolutely nothing and people just decided out of the blue to censor the information for no reason whatsoever 🙄🙄🙄

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Similarly during the pandemic they pressured social media companies to crack sown on COVID disinformation

Again most of that disinformation turned out to be accurate. You think you can justify what they do by simply calling a disinformation.

No problem. Kimmel got fired for disinformation. Feel better?

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO this is that pathetic thing you do when I bury you with evidence that you can’t refute.

I have never ever ever in my life made this statement before with you, ever 😁😁😁😅😅😅😅😆😆😆😆

But it's what I always do huh? It's what I always do for the very first time ever  :) LOLOLOL I love that you're admit that you're trying to bury me in information :) 

But I refuted everything you said. Everything you said is categorically wrong. Biden absolutely did practice censorship, he absolutely did pressure media companies to exercise censorship. The FBI absolutely covered him with the Biden notebook everything was true immediately after the election when people were allowed to talk about it again.

Again there's just no doubt. This isn't theoretical or something that there's room for opinion on you are just wrong 100%.

And the problem is you allowed it then so now you're in no position to say it shouldn't be allowed now.

Want to play the same game? The fcc made the comments not trump. Kimmel was fired for spreading misinformation and hate. Trump encouraged abc and others to have their own policies on kimmel etc. 

It's all a joke to you.  When your side plays by the rules you can ask the other side to play by the rules, but you're fooling no one with the whole sad attempt to gashlight. 

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

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