What The Liberals Did To Canada

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL sure kid

That will be Chief Warrant Officer Flybaby to you mister... think you're dealing with a child or something?

Edited April 15 by Venandi

[John Johnston]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Or in large parts of the country for that matter. It used to be if you lived in greater Vancouver you could always go somewhere like Chilliwack or Abbotsford and find you home at a decent price even though Vancouver was high. Now even those homes are going for a million bucks for a little condominium

Yep. 

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Affordability has been a problem for the last 15 years and got worse here in Canada and the US during and after the pandemic because of tight supply.

It was real  problem for more like the last 8 years, and a crisis since about 2019. And while the pandemic created issues the fact is we're LONG past that and it's still getting worse. Just like harper, you can only blame the pandemic so long  

 

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Like I said, it's not a birthright to be able to buy a home in Vancouver, Toronto, or other high cost area.  I/we sure didn't find it easy when we first bought and started a family, just like it's not easy now.  My kids think a $750K to $900K home is reasonable....which I couldn't fathom as a first time buyer, but then again their wages are significantly more than I made 40 years ago.

It should be your birthright in this country to be able to afford a decent home, even in the major metros. Maybe not the biggest home or the most luxurious areas but yeah, people have always been able to afford to live in the cities. 

Now, they can't even afford to live in the suburbs. 

And this is due to liberal policies over the last 11 years. And it doesn't have to be this way. 

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

What a fkn ldiot you are LOL

And today...even a bigger LOSER of an ldiot LOL

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!  LOL i've upset you so bad you're in repeat mode    well THAT certainly will prove you're really actually an adult! 

[ExFlyer]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!  LOL i've upset you so bad you're in repeat mode    well THAT certainly will prove you're really actually an adult! 

Upset?? You do not have the inteligence to get me upset.

Hardly. LOL

Just have to reiterate the truth repeatedly because you cannot grasp the fact that you are:

"What a fkn ldiot you are LOL

And today...even a bigger LOSER of an ldiot LOL"

 

[ExFlyer]

19 hours ago, John Johnston said:

Yep. I have no idea how a young person today can even consider buying a home in the city. 

What city?

There are many cities in Canada where they can afford to buy  a home.

[John Stone]

I'm always hilariously amused by cites found on the internet and used as a reference. OMG - that is hilarious - so anachronistic. 

'Don't believe everything you read on the internet' / Bill Shakespeare.

What is interesting is the influence the ether has on public opinion. ............... 'truth?' - u got to be kidding.... and getting less so. 

re: Politics?

focusing much more on entertainment .......... much less on truth, ethics, morals, spectacle

It draws the audiences ................. and by extension, support. 

 

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

There are many cities in Canada where they can afford to buy  a home.

Many of those 'cities' have zero employment opportunities.  

[LinkSoul60]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It was real  problem for more like the last 8 years, and a crisis since about 2019. And while the pandemic created issues the fact is we're LONG past that and it's still getting worse. Just like harper, you can only blame the pandemic so long  

 

It should be your birthright in this country to be able to afford a decent home, even in the major metros. Maybe not the biggest home or the most luxurious areas but yeah, people have always been able to afford to live in the cities. 

Now, they can't even afford to live in the suburbs. 

And this is due to liberal policies over the last 11 years. And it doesn't have to be this way. 

Sorry to disappoint but we had a housing price challenge in the greater Vancouver are back in the 2010's.  Low interest rates and Asian foreign investment were drivers for this.  

Don't worry little fella, I'm not taking any shots at your hero but just stating the facts....Vancouver home prices became unaffordable for many during that time, and remains that way for many today. Overall, Canada housing prices increased 86% during his term so any way you want to look at it, the cost of housing increased substantially during his term.

And no, it is not your birthright to live where you want regardless of the area's affordability.  If you believe that it is the case then rather than buying a single family home, buy a 2 bedroom condo if that makes it more affordable....which is where construction trends have been going for 15 years.

The pandemic had a massive impact on supply chains and continues to have lingering effects with labour shortages, materials shortages, and logistics reliability.  

Unstoppable? Too late to intervene in Vancouver’s housing price escalation? New report: “Booms, Busts, and Normal Times in the Housing Market”

Posted on May 21, 2015 by urbanizta

Have our politicians, policy-makers, and other leaders failed society by acting too late to deal with global financial flows into the Metro Vancouver property market? Was the best time for action already several years back? If so, now what?

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Many of those 'cities' have zero employment opportunities.  

Other than what you can afford, I'm not sure what the definition of affordable is but the average price of home's in Edmonton and Winnipeg are in the ~$400K range with Calgary ~$550K.  In any books that's a lot of money but compared to the Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal.... inexpensive. 

[Goddess]

Was watching a bit of an interview with Pete Hoekstra this morning.  I was interested in what he had to say about the CUSMA negotiations with Canada, since the last we heard from our own government about this was Carney responding "Who cares?" to a reporter who asked about it.

Hoekstra was asked "So, these negotiations with Canada must be really intense, right?"

He replied that No, they weren't intense at all, and in fact they've barely heard a peep from Canada since last October.

Folks, I think our trade with the US is deliberately being tanked.  I don't think we're going to have anything other than  MAYBE tiny MOU agreements with the US.  I think this is why Carney has been preparing his base so hard to hate the US, hate Trump, we don't need America - we have China now, Elbow Up against the US, etc.  so that when we lose our largest trade partner, the base is already cheering it.

Look at Cuba.  What happened to them when they rejected trade with the US and went with communist Russia?

I think he's trying to eliminate opposition parties, too.  He's been preparing his base to accept that an opposition party is unnecessary and in fact, morally wrong and downright EVIL, since they oppose the Liberals.

When we have no trade with the US and become fully aligned with China and opposition politically parties are eliminated (or just entirely de-fanged and remain only to continue the illusion of democracy) and we're all forced to live our lives by means of a carbon credit score app.......will any of the Liberal pom-pom wavers wake up then?

There are no barriers for Carney's agenda now.

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Upset?? You do not have the inteligence to get me upset

 

You upset does not require intelligence, it only requires a single fact or intelligent comment to send you spiraling off the deep end  

And a guy who just repetatively posts  "LLUUUUUUZER LUUZER LUZERLUZERLUZER"   for a half dozen pages is not qualified to say if someone's intelligent or not   

Kid everyone on this form laughs at you when you're like this. I'm trying to defend it just makes you look worse  LOL

[ExFlyer]

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You upset does not require intelligence, it only requires a single fact or intelligent comment to send you spiraling off the deep end  

And a guy who just repetatively posts  "LLUUUUUUZER LUUZER LUZERLUZERLUZER"   for a half dozen pages is not qualified to say if someone's intelligent or not   

Kid everyone on this form laughs at you when you're like this. I'm trying to defend it just makes you look worse  LOL

Huh???

Clearly intelligence is the missing component in your LOSER genes LOL

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Sorry to disappoint but we had a housing price challenge in the greater Vancouver are back in the 2010's.  Low interest rates and Asian foreign investment were drivers for this.  

Don't worry little fella, I'm not taking any shots at your hero but just stating the facts....Vancouver home prices became unaffordable for many during that time, and remains that way for many today. Overall, Canada housing prices increased 86% during his term so any way you want to look at it, the cost of housing increased substantially during his term.

And no, it is not your birthright to live where you want regardless of the area's affordability.  If you believe that it is the case then rather than buying a single family home, buy a 2 bedroom condo if that makes it more affordable....which is where construction trends have been going for 15 years.

The pandemic had a massive impact on supply chains and continues to have lingering effects with labour shortages, materials shortages, and logistics reliability.  

Unstoppable? Too late to intervene in Vancouver’s housing price escalation? New report: “Booms, Busts, and Normal Times in the Housing Market”

 

Posted on May 21, 2015 by urbanizta

Have our politicians, policy-makers, and other leaders failed society by acting too late to deal with global financial flows into the Metro Vancouver property market? Was the best time for action already several years back? If so, now what?

Not really and in fact again you have provided the proof that your arguments isn't correct strangely

As you can see from your chart detached houses, a house with a big yard, traditional sort of thing, went up significantly but that's because manufacturing and the market switched more to Townhomes and apartment buildings especially in the large metros. This drove the price of the holdouts who still had homes and houses in those areas considerably higher but it was still very easy for a family of four to purchase a nice townhome with nice facilities and room for all at  an affordable price

 

By the way your church is wrong. Townhomes and apartments were actually less than that by a fair margin. Here's an example

Average price of a townhome in Canada in 2015 - Google Search

In 2015, the average price of a townhouse in Canada varied significantly by region, but in high-demand areas like the 

Fraser Valley

, the benchmark price for a townhouse was approximately $321,800 in December 2015. In 

Metro Vancouver

, the benchmark for an attached unit was slightly higher, reaching $506,900 by June

Vancouver was one of the most expensive markets there was at the time. So to suggest that the average price was $600,000 or more is simply incorrect.. In 2015 500,000 bought you a very nice modern well-maintained townhome suitable for raising a family

That same town home today, just 10 years later, is Closer to a million and a half. That's seriously hard for people to afford. The average including smaller towns and suburbs rose to 650,000 by 2025

So back in 2015 if you were earning a modest income you could afford to buy a very nice townhouse which would be easily suitable for raising two children even within a major metro like vancouver. And even back then people weren't having many more than two children.

Nowadays A young couple would not be able to afford that townhouse at all even with both of them working in most cases unless they have above average incomes.  Even in the sticks it would be hard. 

And that really does highlight the affordability issue.  In 2015, it wasn't hard for a family just starting out to find a place that was relatively centrally located, that was perfect for raising a kid at an affordable price, and live happily. Now even with both partners working at good jobs it's barely affordable. 

Now, on top of that you add the food price challenges. Back in 2015 it was nothing to go into the store and grab a pack of steaks for dinner.  Now you need to fill out a loan application   

There was pressure on affordability in 2015 but it really wasn't that bad. It would have been hard for some to have the great big four bedroom detached house that they may have grown up in but they could certainly live well and affordably in most areas. Now that's just not true and even managing to afford a small cramped one bedroom is a chore

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Huh???

 

Smartest thing you've said on the forum in weeks  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Was watching a bit of an interview with Pete Hoekstra this morning.  I was interested in what he had to say about the CUSMA negotiations with Canada, since the last we heard from our own government about this was Carney responding "Who cares?" to a reporter who asked about it.

Hoekstra was asked "So, these negotiations with Canada must be really intense, right?"

He replied that No, they weren't intense at all, and in fact they've barely heard a peep from Canada since last October.

Folks, I think our trade with the US is deliberately being tanked.  I don't think we're going to have anything other than  MAYBE tiny MOU agreements with the US.  I think this is why Carney has been preparing his base so hard to hate the US, hate Trump, we don't need America - we have China now, Elbow Up against the US, etc.  so that when we lose our largest trade partner, the base is already cheering it.

Look at Cuba.  What happened to them when they rejected trade with the US and went with communist Russia?

I think he's trying to eliminate opposition parties, too.  He's been preparing his base to accept that an opposition party is unnecessary and in fact, morally wrong and downright EVIL, since they oppose the Liberals.

When we have no trade with the US and become fully aligned with China and opposition politically parties are eliminated (or just entirely de-fanged and remain only to continue the illusion of democracy) and we're all forced to live our lives by means of a carbon credit score app.......will any of the Liberal pom-pom wavers wake up then?

There are no barriers for Carney's agenda now.

 

A tiny bit gloomy perhaps but certainly within the Realms of possibility

I'll offer another possible alternative, not saying this is guaranteed but just as a thought experiment

I think he knows in order to get anything in the slightest from the united states he's going to have to give up supply management and possibly one or two other sacred cows. I think he knows that is going to be death in quebec for a while

So I think he deliberately avoided any negotiations until he either had a majority or if necessary called an election and scooped a majority that way. Now that he's got his majority if he does have to give up some sacred cows and take a bad deal Quebec and others will have 3 years to calm down and forget he completely trashed their economies.

The auto sector workers will all find new jobs or starve to death or accept maid as an option in accordance with the liberal health policy, and all he has to worry about is doing something flashy in the last year and point out that no matter how bad it is everything would have been EVEN WORSE under the CPC to try and win back the support of the people.

That's why he hasn't been negotiating. He knows it's going to be a bad deal and he just wanted to find a way to get a majority before he had to face that and tell canadians he screwed them. 

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Not really and in fact again you have provided the proof that your arguments isn't correct strangely

As you can see from your chart detached houses, a house with a big yard, traditional sort of thing, went up significantly but that's because manufacturing and the market switched more to Townhomes and apartment buildings especially in the large metros. This drove the price of the holdouts who still had homes and houses in those areas considerably higher but it was still very easy for a family of four to purchase a nice townhome with nice facilities and room for all at  an affordable price

 

By the way your church is wrong. Townhomes and apartments were actually less than that by a fair margin. Here's an example

Average price of a townhome in Canada in 2015 - Google Search

In 2015, the average price of a townhouse in Canada varied significantly by region, but in high-demand areas like the 

Fraser Valley

, the benchmark price for a townhouse was approximately $321,800 in December 2015. In 

Metro Vancouver

, the benchmark for an attached unit was slightly higher, reaching $506,900 by June

Vancouver was one of the most expensive markets there was at the time. So to suggest that the average price was $600,000 or more is simply incorrect.. In 2015 500,000 bought you a very nice modern well-maintained townhome suitable for raising a family

That same town home today, just 10 years later, is Closer to a million and a half. That's seriously hard for people to afford. The average including smaller towns and suburbs rose to 650,000 by 2025

So back in 2015 if you were earning a modest income you could afford to buy a very nice townhouse which would be easily suitable for raising two children even within a major metro like vancouver. And even back then people weren't having many more than two children.

Nowadays A young couple would not be able to afford that townhouse at all even with both of them working in most cases unless they have above average incomes.  Even in the sticks it would be hard. 

And that really does highlight the affordability issue.  In 2015, it wasn't hard for a family just starting out to find a place that was relatively centrally located, that was perfect for raising a kid at an affordable price, and live happily. Now even with both partners working at good jobs it's barely affordable. 

Now, on top of that you add the food price challenges. Back in 2015 it was nothing to go into the store and grab a pack of steaks for dinner.  Now you need to fill out a loan application   

There was pressure on affordability in 2015 but it really wasn't that bad. It would have been hard for some to have the great big four bedroom detached house that they may have grown up in but they could certainly live well and affordably in most areas. Now that's just not true and even managing to afford a small cramped one bedroom is a chore

Smartest thing you've said on the forum in weeks  

I'm not going to debate this with you.  Facts are facts...and the Vancouver real estate market was unaffordable at the end of Harpers term that saw housing prices across Canada increase by 86%.

You're a stunned as the Maga crowd so I'm sure you thought that inflation was good.

 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm not going to debate this with you.

LOL well considering you're wrong and i'm right that's not a bad idea for you   

But the truth remains, and it is something that should be discussed and considered. Not even for partisan reasons but to look at how we got here.  

You're obviously always going to be liberal, no matter what.  But looking at what liberals have done wrong in the past might at least give you a chance to help guide future liberal policy to avoid the worst pitfalls. 

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Facts are facts...and the Vancouver real estate market was unaffordable at the end of Harpers term that saw housing prices across Canada increase by 86%.

It was quite affordable. Sorry but i posted the facts that prove that. People could buy a nice place to live in one of the major parts of greater vancouver for a modest price and keep within 33 percent of their income and raise kids.  They could do that.  Today they can't. 

4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You're a stunned as the Maga crowd so I'm sure you thought that inflation was good

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Sure kid, this board is FULL of posts about me going on about how great inflation is   LOLOLOL

You get so weird when you think you've 'lost'.  Honestly. 

The seeds for future problems existed in harper's day and harper himself was concerned about it. But they had not yet come to flower.  Justin ran on a platform of making sure they were taken back under control and housing remained affordable in 2015.  look how that turned out. 

[LinkSoul60]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL well considering you're wrong and i'm right that's not a bad idea for you   

But the truth remains, and it is something that should be discussed and considered. Not even for partisan reasons but to look at how we got here.  

You're obviously always going to be liberal, no matter what.  But looking at what liberals have done wrong in the past might at least give you a chance to help guide future liberal policy to avoid the worst pitfalls. 

It was quite affordable. Sorry but i posted the facts that prove that. People could buy a nice place to live in one of the major parts of greater vancouver for a modest price and keep within 33 percent of their income and raise kids.  They could do that.  Today they can't. 

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! Sure kid, this board is FULL of posts about me going on about how great inflation is   LOLOLOL

You get so weird when you think you've 'lost'.  Honestly. 

The seeds for future problems existed in harper's day and harper himself was concerned about it. But they had not yet come to flower.  Justin ran on a platform of making sure they were taken back under control and housing remained affordable in 2015.  look how that turned out. 

What don't you understand about the Greater Vancouver Real Estate stat's and graph?

You're an incredibly bias and stupid little man who isn't worth a debate half the time.  Carry on 🤡

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

the Vancouver real estate market was unaffordable at the end of Harpers term that saw housing prices across Canada increase by 86%.

Thanks to Gregor Robertson.....our new Minister of Housing. 🙄

 

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm sure you thought that inflation was good.

It was the Liberals that thought inflation was good.

Poilievre has been warning of this for several years and your Liberals said it was never going to happen.

What attracts you so much to these incompetents?  How much do they have to fuque everything up before you wake up?

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Thanks to Gregor Robertson.....our new Minister of Housing. 🙄

 

No, provincial governments don't hold the authority on foreign investment, the Federal government does and that was your long gone idol.

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, Goddess said:

It was the Liberals that thought inflation was good.

Poilievre has been warning of this for several years and your Liberals said it was never going to happen.

What attracts you so much to these incompetents?  How much do they have to fuque everything up before you wake up?

Lol... Poilievre... give me break.  He's done f'all except for say 'look at what the liberals did', and will continue to do f'all except sing the same song before he exits politics shortly.

What attracted me to the liberal alternative this time around was a vastly superior economic, trade and financial background.  A Trump wannabe with a paperboy background doesn't bring much to the table...

[Goddess]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

No, provincial governments don't hold the authority on foreign investment, the Federal government does and that was your long gone idol.

Wrong.

Everyone in BC and Vancouver knew he fuqued it up by allowing the Chinese to buy up properties.

Look it up, dum-dum.

Your Liberals fuque up everything they touch - the reverse Midas touch.  The fact that you're still supporting this bunch of incompetent clowns after the shitshow of the last decade, only demonstrates that your commitment to stupidity is truly impressive.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What don't you understand about the Greater Vancouver Real Estate stat's and graph?

 

Nothing. That's the problem for you. I actually understand what it's saying and you don't

In addition as I pointed out the numbers are wrong and I posted correct ones with an actual link to the source.

It's extremely clear that a family of four could find a place to live in Metro Vancouver that was within the budget of the people of the time and raise a family. And in fact they did. There was upper pressure on affordability but it was certainly not a crisis or unaffordable at that point at all

Fast forward and since about 2019 it has become truly unaffordable. And a higher and higher percentage of people are no longer able to afford to live as people did in 2015 or 2000 or earlier.  

And we can point to the policies that actually made it worse and started to cripple affordability. It's not like I'm just pointing at the liberals and saying that because their flag was flying at the time magically they're at fault. We know why affordability began to suffer

. I get that this upsets your narrative but I'm afraid that most of our serious affordability problems have happened more recently than you think, probably starting around 2017 and 2018 that things started to become actually unaffordable and certainly by 2019 it was a crisis. Covid made things worse and the liberals never recovered from covid, they just overspent and refuse to address the issues that needed to be addressed and affordability became the absolute crisis we see today

Why do you feel the need to lie about this?

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

What attracted me to the liberal alternative this time

Even your demigod Carney has said "Hope is not a strategy."