US Economy UNSTOPABLE.

[paxamericana]

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

Russia, China, India, Qatar and Brazil are all buying AI infrastructure.

 

To sell what product to who exactly? That's the problem, there has to be a customer on the other end of that supply chain. North America is the largest market for the foreseeable future. We're it. BRICS use of AI infrastructure to create what exactly? And to sell to who? 

Edited October 7, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

To sell what product to who exactly? That's the problem, there has to be a customer on the other end of that supply chain. North America is the largest market for the foreseeable future. We're it. BRICS use of AI infrastructure to create what exactly? And to sell to who? 

That's not entirely true. As far as potential goes China and Russia make up a vastly larger market. And given the right impetus that market could explode quite substantially

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's not entirely true. As far as potential goes China and Russia make up a vastly larger market. And given the right impetus that market could explode quite substantially

Again to do what? To sell finished goods back to Americans? Those days are gone. That's the whole point of tariff. America is reshoring. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Again to do what? To sell finished goods back to Americans? Those days are gone. That's the whole point of tariff. America is reshoring. 

To sell finished goods to the russians indians and chinese.  The combined population is about 3 billion.  If they ever started to have an economic renascence their market power would be ten times the us. 

And that is definitely something that could happen quickly. And if that flame got lit it would burn for generations. People would be rushing to do business with them. 

 

 

 

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

To sell finished goods to the russians indians and chinese.  The combined population is about 3 billion.  If they ever started to have an economic renascence their market power would be ten times the us. 

And that is definitely something that could happen quickly. And if that flame got lit it would burn for generations. People would be rushing to do business with them. 

 

 

 

They don’t share borders conducive to trade. A 30000 ft mountain sits between china and India. Trucks don’t operate well above 15000ft. That’s before the physics of heavy cargo up a mountain . The Russian and Chinese have the same issue. That’s why they trade by water that passes through… American bases. Also they don’t share a common trading currency because they all don’t want to use each other’s hence the need for gold which limits the exchange rate to available US dollars subject to sanctions or bartering.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, paxamericana said:

To sell what product to who exactly? That's the problem, there has to be a customer on the other end of that supply chain. North America is the largest market for the foreseeable future. We're it. BRICS use of AI infrastructure to create what exactly? And to sell to who? 

Each other. Your DENIAL keeps you from seeing the TRUTH.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

They don’t share borders conducive to trade. A 30000 ft mountain sits between china and India. Trucks don’t operate well above 15000ft. That’s before the physics of heavy cargo up a mountain . The Russian and Chinese have the same issue. That’s why they trade by water that passes through… American bases. Also they don’t share a common trading currency because they all don’t want to use each other’s hence the need for gold which limits the exchange rate to available US dollars subject to sanctions or bartering.

Makes no difference.  There's roads right now that will work, and if they desire it they'll find a way to put rail or road through the mountains. 

and unless the us is going to open fire the presence of bases is meaningless. 

And i'd point out they ALL do business with the US currently. Guess what there isn't a road to? LOL

Honestly this was the silliest response to come up with. There is absolutely nothing physically stopping them from doing trade any more than there is stopping them from trading with America

In America and it's partners don't share a common currency either. You bringing up stuff that's just not relevant. They're all 15 minutes fixes if they need to be.

In fact one of the main reasons that America gave china such an easy access to its market was because they knew that if it wasn't with them they would start trading the Russians. 

The reason those three don't trade much with each other is that it's easier to trade with the USA historically. But nothing stays the same forever.  Britannia used to rule the waves. All roads used to lead to rome.  The silk road was once was synonyms with commerce and wealth and prosperity, and maybe those days are coming again. 

 

[paxamericana]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There's roads right now that will work, and if they desire it they'll find a way to put rail or road through the mountains. 

It cost money to build infrastructure assuming the host countries wanted it in the first place. China has two main road one of which is accessible year round through that pass and the population center is near the coast not next to Tibet. China tried to build out said infrastructure with their belt and road initiative. They got extorted and the projects were never economically viable to begin with. It’s much easier to trade by ship than rail and road. Everyone trade with America because we have the largest consumer market. China, Russia aged out. The Indians never participated in global trade to the degree that was afforded the Chinese and European. They saw it as an American ploy (which it was). India need access to raw commodities and oil for their own consumption. They see China as a competitor not a trading partner. 

Edited October 8, 2025 by paxamericana

[WestCanMan]

Canada and the US were quite similar at the beginning of Trump's term, but the US turned sharply upwards under Trump while Canada is doing even worse under Carney than Trudeau. 

In fairness to Carney, part of Canada's downfall is still Trudeau's fault, but his weakness and stupidity still play a huge role.

This is, unless Carney's actually working against Canadians right now, to help out his own bottom line, and that of his uber-wealthy friends, who are poised to snatch up real estate for cheap as Canadians suffer. If Carney is actually working against us then he's doing a great job.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, paxamericana said:

It cost money to build infrastructure assuming the host countries wanted it in the first place.

Good, spending money on construction stimulates the economy

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China has two main road one of which is accessible year round through that pass and the population center is near the coast not next to Tibet. China tried to build out said infrastructure with their belt and road initiative. They got extorted and the projects were never economically viable to begin with. It’s much easier to trade by ship than rail and road.

Fine, so do that. 

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Everyone trade with America because we have the largest consumer market.

No, america has the wealthiest consumer market,  they aren't even remotely close to the largest.  They are however the easiest.

Also you're from alberta. 

So if economic conditions changed and the interests switch to making it easier to trade with other countries, then guess what.

It was a time not long ago when Europe didn't trade with Europe. Selling goods from one country to another or allowing companies to compete was brutally hard. Then something changed and all of a sudden we had the European Union. 

And they're much less dependent on the US. They, with their population of about 450 million, sell about the same amount of stuff to the us as we do, with our population of 40 million. 

It may well be now that the USA is not as 'easy' that a trade agreement happens there as well. 

 

[paxamericana]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, america has the wealthiest consumer market,  they aren't even remotely close to the largest.  They are however the easiest.

 

Do we speak the same english language or what? The largest meaning the most money , why would you want to sell to a smaller market financially!!!!??????????????????

Edited October 8, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Do we speak the same english language or what?

Sure. I'm pretty sure they speak the queen's english in Alberta  

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The largest meaning the most money , why would you want to sell to a smaller market financially!!!!??????????????????

It's a hyper critical distinction that's completely relevant to the discussion.  Right now america has the most money but NOT the most consumers. the term 'market' usually refers to the customer base and or the number of companies and the us is short on both counts.  

And the thing is, if the economic conditions start to pick up in china or russia, very very quickly those markets could become bigger in terms of people AND money. America is already pretty maxed out on potential. It will still get stronger but slowly and less dramatically. 

It's like a video game, it's always easier to level up when your level is low, when your level is high it requires more and more to go up. 

It doesn't take much for china's average person to suddenly have double the disposable income they do today and with so many of them that suddenly increases the consumer power radically. 

[paxamericana]

28 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

china or russia

Those are aging society, they're actually decreasing in population so it's never going to get better in terms of head count or money. While other places do have more head count, they lack the productivity to generate high per capita income compared to western countries. So yes while there are more people in India, they all can't afford an iphone or a tesla, meaning you're going to sell more iphone and tesla for a higher premium than India. 

In short, if you're not a developed country now, you're never going to develope simply for one reason, the geography does not support industrialization. This requires, consumption, security of raw material access and trade, stable governance structure and a highly educated, specialized work force. You need all of those things to become developed. With the post world war 2 order going away, security for comerce is now worse off than it has ever been, we're entering a multipolar world with sphere of influence more regional. The NAFTA trading block is and will remain the largest economic sector for the foreseeable future. Southeast Asia looks promising and so does Turkey. Everywhere else it's a mix bag of bad to worse.

Finally, if we're talking trade, unless you're a paying customer you're not a real person.

Edited October 8, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Those are aging society, they're actually decreasing in population so it's never going to get better in terms of head count or money.

They're already vastly ahead in headcount. Those three markets represent about 3 billion people. The US only has about 350 million.

The US has a $30 trillion dollar GDP but those three countries combined have about 26 billion. Which means they're not as far behind as you think.

And I'll be honest but, most of your points are childish. Like I said they deal fine with the united states with a vast ocean between them and their marketplace. How are their local conditions worse? They're not. They can easily transport goods between those three countries. And they're all ready developed, China and Russia especially are fairly developed countries. They are also both vastly more wealthy and mineral and oil wealth than united states when you combine them

. NAFTA may not even survive trump. He says so directly.

And things can turn on a dime. Going into world war I the British Empire was one of the largest in the world and commanded the oceans. By the end of world war II The British empire was down to nothing on America was the world leader in military and economic power. At the end of world war II Europe was in tatters and economically severely depressed. Currently the European Union is almost at parity with America with regards to the size of its market.

Things change. They don't usually change overnight but they change. And trump is strongly encouraging the rest of the world to find other people to deal with and they will.

[paxamericana]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And I'll be honest but, most of your points are childish.

Physical infrastructure and security requirements for trade is, child’s play? That’s not what history says but okay.
 

Assume your wet dream comes true and the Russian, Chinese and Indian all get along, that doesn’t negate the reality that they lack food, fuel and transport;or the ability to produce the fuel in some cases. Russian oil was made possible by American investment in the 90s. News flash ever since sanctions from the Ukraine war, that’s going away, parts wear down or gets blown up and need replacing. The Chinese and Indian lack the technical know how to do deep offshore and Artic drilling. Second they all lack capital to build out whatever infrastructure that is needed to maximize the trade. India has a few navigable river, as does China and Russia. That means trade is limited to population centers near the coast and not the 3 billion population you’re claiming. Further from the coast or navigable river the transport cost is too high to make trade viable. You’re not going to ship water to a desert for the same price okay. 

Edited October 8, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Physical infrastructure and security requirements for trade is, child’s play? That’s not what history says but okay.

It is absolutely what history says. Look at Rome. Look at china. Look at Carthage, plenty of other examples.

When people decide they want to do business they find a way. It's not that hard. It doesn't happen overnight but it doesn't happen over centuries either. Like I said, Europe turned the page and became its own major trading partner within a decade or so.

40 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Assume your wet dream comes true

Aww muffin    

I get that this discussion isn't going your way. But if you could avoid acting like the liberals on this board and not freak out like a child that would be really great.

41 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

that doesn’t negate the reality that they lack food, fuel and transport;or the ability to produce the fuel in some cases.

Russia lacks fuel. Really.  

And food won't be a problem if they manage to take Ukraine  As it is the more technologically advanced they become the more food production increases. And the stronger their economy grows the more they're able to buy out places like Canada the us and other food suppliers around the world. We currently supply almost all of our canola to china.

Any technological disadvantage they have currently will be easy for them to overcome if they want. The Russians certainly know how to drill and if they are in an economic agreement with China and India then they will help them and sell them the gear necessary to do so.

And you're sitting in a country like Canada and suggesting that it's not possible to get goods from the coast inland. I mean I don't know what to tell you, that's just dumb. It is super easy to make that trade viable, it happens currently, you're making stuff up that's making you look stupid.

I don't mind a legitimate debate about things but you're now entering the realm of absolute desperation and nonsense try to defend an indefensible position. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever stop in China Russia and India from entering into an agreement for free trade and cooperation that will create a outrageously powerful economic base. In fact get rid of India, China and Russia if they got serious could do it themselves and still be putting about 2 billion people on the table for market.

The thing that stops that is politics, not practicality. China does not like to develop those kind of trades relationships, they prefer relationships that are more about them being the boss. And Russia is in horrible shape right now because of the war and doesn't want to give any ground to china anyway.

But things change. I'm not saying they're going to change, but they could very easily change and America is not the only game in town. Sooner or later somebody will rise to be the new economic superpower and America will fade, just as happened with Rome, just as happened with china, just as happened with Europe, just as happened with Britain, just as happened with Spain. 

You may not like that but that is the way it is

 

[BeaverFever]

On 7/30/2025 at 12:43 PM, Michael Hardner said:

This story was published January 2024.

Thanks for reminding us about the great job Biden was doing before Orange man came along and wrecked it

[CdnFox]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Thanks for reminding us about the great job Biden was doing before Orange man came along and wrecked it

Dude those talking points are almost entirely false 

Korea has not pulled billions. quatar is actually INCREASING the original 1.2 trillion dollar deal and has not pulled out, etc

You know better than to post unverified nonsense you found in an echo chamber safe space like that.  Yeash. 

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Dude those talking points are almost entirely false 

Korea has not pulled billions. quatar is actually INCREASING the original 1.2 trillion dollar deal and has not pulled out, etc

You know better than to post unverified nonsense you found in an echo chamber safe space like that.  Yeash. 

OMG. WAIT MEMES AREN’T ACCURATE????!!

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

OMG. WAIT MEMES AREN’T ACCURATE????!!

Touché  

[paxamericana]

On 10/8/2025 at 6:54 PM, CdnFox said:

Russia lacks fuel. Really.

Truth is stranger than fiction. 40% of Russian refining capacity is offline now. That can accelerate if the Us decides to give the Ukrainian targeting info and or weapon. 
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czx020k4056o

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

Truth is stranger than fiction. 40% of Russian refining capacity is offline now.

It will take no time to get it back. Wars come and go, the damage done to those refineries is not terribly High. It's enough to take them out for now but it's not like they were flattened.

I know you don't want this to be true and you're struggling with it but it absolutely is true and it's better to get your head out of the ground and deal with it and consider the ramifications rather than pretend otherwise and be surprised

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It will take no time to get it back.

Uh yeah no. This requries heavy investment and technological know how. The Siberian oil has high water content and is prone to freeze. So when the pipe aren't running they're frozen solid. Meaning you have to re drill all of it again. That took 30 years to build out. In the middle of a frozen no where. When the guns were silent. The reason why the US hasn't greenlit those areas is because they know when it goes offline it's going offline for good. The Ukranian have the ability to target those sensitive oil pump infrastructure, and now that the US is a net exporter, Trump very well could green lit those attack his second term. 

Edited October 12, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

28 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Uh yeah no.

Uh yeah yeah.  Sorry to break it to you. 

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This requries heavy investment and technological know how. The Siberian oil has high water content and is prone to freeze. So when the pipe aren't running they're frozen solid. Meaning you have to re drill all of it again. That took 30 years to build out. In the middle of a frozen no where. When the guns were silent.

Uh huh. Which presumably you're claimging they don't have.

 so how did they build them the first time?    Pown!!! LOL
Kid, they can rebuild quick enough. sorry.  IF there's a demand they can get it 

You keep coming up with these completely weak assed excuses and they're just not valid.  The ONLY thing holding china, russia and possibly india back from forming an economic superbloc is their gov'ts. and that can change very quick. 

[paxamericana]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Uh huh. Which presumably you're claimging they don't have.

Under Sanction!??? The firms that built the Siberian oil were all American or European, who the Russian are actively attacking. The Chinese don't have the expertise to do those projects!