Trump off to Scotland

[User]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

One of the bigger narratives during your election was reducing/eliminating government waste.  Trump's golf weekends to Florida cost YOU $3.4M and have to guess this will cost YOU $6M+.  YOU'RE probably on the hook for $30M + easily this year to pay for his golf trips.

But hey....  It's the orange saviour, so that's different.

As already pointed out... not fraud or waste, just the cost of protecting the President. 

These kinds of costs are not unique to Trump, it is just a matter of fact to being President. Some like to go to the beach, Martha's Vineyard, Hawaii...

Although, the whole argument is just silly, as you don't really care about fraud and waste. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, User said:

As already pointed out... not fraud or waste, just the cost of protecting the President. 

These kinds of costs are not unique to Trump, it is just a matter of fact to being President. Some like to go to the beach, Martha's Vineyard, Hawaii...

Although, the whole argument is just silly, as you don't really care about fraud and waste. 

Again, you prove you're incapable of reading and comprehending....   I never said 'fraud', I said conflict of interest.  Waste, you did get that so congrats!

Are you not all embarrassed by idolizing a 79 year old self-serving narcissist that wears orange make-up?

[User]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Are you not all embarrassed by idolizing a 79 year old self-serving narcissist that wears orange make-up?

Loaded question. 

Speaking of embarrassment, you should be more concerned with your own stupidity and lies on here. 

[gatomontes99]

20 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Correct that it's not fraud, it's called a conflict of interest.  But most certainly it is waste.....this trip and all his Florida trips that is on YOUR dime that has the SS staying and being charged at his hotels.  That's winning the Maga way....

He's got revenue from the EU that you'll be paying for.  As far as any trade wins the US will get....think again and that remains to be seen

 

"The EU and the US agreed that US consumers should pay more tax - levied at 15% for imports from the EU," UBS Chief Economist Paul Donovan said. "EU President von der Leyen made vague pledges to buy stuff from and invest in the US, without the necessary authority to make those pledges reality."

"Pharmaceuticals and steel seem to be excluded from this deal," he added. "The result is better for the US economy than the worst-case scenario, but worse for the US economy than the situation in January this year - but it is bad news markets have probably anticipated."

You must not have any bones, because I've never seen anyone so flexible to that they twist themselves into that many knots. Every single president takes breaks at resorts, etc. And most of that number you put in the estimate is his security detail that gets paid either way. 

 

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

You must not have any bones, because I've never seen anyone so flexible to that they twist themselves into that many knots. Every single president takes breaks at resorts, etc. And most of that number you put in the estimate is his security detail that gets paid either way. 

 

Why don't you just say.... 'It doesn't matter, this is our orange messiah that is spending our money so that's okay'

Just go with that....

[gatomontes99]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Why don't you just say.... 'It doesn't matter, this is our orange messiah that is spending our money so that's okay'

Just go with that....

Just because, in your fantasy world, you want this to be true doesn't mean we have to participate. This is the most consequential 6 months + of any peace time presidency in our history. 

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

Just because, in your fantasy world, you want this to be true doesn't mean we have to participate. This is the most consequential 6 months + of any peace time presidency in our history. 

Why do you say fantasy world...  Is it not fact that the US taxpayer pays for his weekend golf trips to Florida or now to the UK?   

I agree that it's been a very consequential first 6 months.  Trump has single handily has pushed global trading partners to look at diversifying their trade with more reliable partners with still doing business in the US, just less of.  It took the US 80 years to become a superpower but that will end at some point with BRICS growing and now the accounting for 35% of the global GDP while the G7 is 30%, and those within the G7 looking to diversify more trade away from the US.  Very consequential indeed...

[gatomontes99]

8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Why do you say fantasy world

Its a fantasy world to say that traveling to Scotland to sign a massive deal os waste just because he played some golf. Its a fantasy world to think that BRICS can succeed. You love in a fantasy world.

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, gatomontes99 said:

Its a fantasy world to say that traveling to Scotland to sign a massive deal os waste just because he played some golf. Its a fantasy world to think that BRICS can succeed. You love in a fantasy world.

What's the massive deal?  YOU are paying the tariff and von der Leyen doesn't have the authority to commit to any buying or investing in the US.  

And a group of united countries that are 35% of global GDP is no fantasy.  They can and will succeed.  

Unlike the one you live in, no fantasy world here. 

[robosmith]

On 7/26/2025 at 1:22 PM, paxamericana said:

I don’t know why you all are upset that the pension system will be going away. It needs to go away. I despise the national pension system. Second, you literally did not have enough kids to pay for it to work. It was a pyramid scheme from the very beginning. I dislike the government mandated safety net. It encourages psychopaths from connecting with people and screwing over their own local community. Makes parents less invested in their own children upbringing since someone else’s kids will pay their retirement. We didn’t have a national pension system until LBJ great society. So this isn’t even something we need in our history to begin with. It should be your children to take care of you in your old age like it was for ages past, not public tax payers. For the younger generation reading this, go have more of kids and raise them right. Don’t be resentful bitter fools like the entitlement generation of @robosmith.

I am entitled because I PAID for Medicare and SS for 50 YEARS, doofus.

It's NOT GOING AWAY just because Trump managed to get elected for 8 years. 

Of course Trump had to LIE about not touching BOTH to get elected thus making HIS ACTIONS ILLEGITIMATE.

[paxamericana]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

HIS ACTIONS ILLEGITIMATE

There is literally no more money in the piggy bank. What do you want Trump to do about that? Your generation used up more pension then was putting back in. You out spent your piggy bank….

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

There is literally no more money in the piggy bank. What do you want Trump to do about that? Your generation used up more pension then was putting back in. You out spent your piggy bank….

There is plenty of money in the $4T tax cut. STOP LYING. You're not fooling anyone BUT YOURSELF.

[paxamericana]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

There is plenty of money in the $4T tax cut. STOP LYING. You're not fooling anyone BUT YOURSELF.

Did you actually read the bill? It’s tax cut on federal income not social security contribution, that part remains the same. Oh and it took away tax on social security income. So you got more of the social security not less. 
 

RIP here lies robosmith, tragically died from TDs

Edited July 29, 2025 by paxamericana

[LinkSoul60]

On 7/28/2025 at 10:50 AM, gatomontes99 said:

Its a fantasy world to say that traveling to Scotland to sign a massive deal os waste just because he played some golf. Its a fantasy world to think that BRICS can succeed. You love in a fantasy world.

Taking off your Mage hat.....   Explain why that is far fetched?

Again though,  take you're obviously too tight Mage hat off and explain.....   Should be interesting 🤦‍♂️

[gatomontes99]

12 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Taking off your Mage hat.....   Explain why that is far fetched?

He was there to sign the deal. He played golf because he was there. Why does that seem like such an awful thing? 

Obama played a ton of golf too as well as multiple trips to Hawaii. Bush went to the Southern White House almost every weekend. Presidential travel is normal. The hacks always try to make a thing out of it. It is a stupid distraction. 

I'd rather talk about the deal, removing the federal reserve interest rate, fixing the poker loop hole from the BBB, putting Epstein to rest, and just how f'd up it was the Obama faked intelligence to screw woth Trump.

[LinkSoul60]

17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

He was there to sign the deal. He played golf because he was there. Why does that seem like such an awful thing? 

Obama played a ton of golf too as well as multiple trips to Hawaii. Bush went to the Southern White House almost every weekend. Presidential travel is normal. The hacks always try to make a thing out of it. It is a stupid distraction. 

I'd rather talk about the deal, removing the federal reserve interest rate, fixing the poker loop hole from the BBB, putting Epstein to rest, and just how f'd up it was the Obama faked intelligence to screw woth Trump.

I would have too.... a very sexy course so I've heard!  I play to play though....you pay for him to play.

'A stupid distraction'....really - has there ever been a president who has started more distractions than this guy?   

Your Fed rate would have already been cut if not for the orange wizards on again off again delayed again tariffs.  You get it....tariffs are a tax that increases inflation so the Fed is trying to figure WTF Trump is doing and what the expected impact will be with the stupid numbers he throws out.  You don't lower rates when/if inflation increases.

Got me.... what is the 'poker loop in the BBB'...  Is that the better business bureau...?    Tough to put the Epstein thing to rest.  Orange guy doesn't want something coming out and Maga's want to know.  Not sure about Obama using fake intelligence with Trump?   But can't imagine too much was needed.  

[User]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

I am entitled because I PAID for Medicare and SS for 50 YEARS, doofus.

It's NOT GOING AWAY just because Trump managed to get elected for 8 years. 

Of course Trump had to LIE about not touching BOTH to get elected thus making HIS ACTIONS ILLEGITIMATE.

What has Trump done to impact either of those for you?

I asked you before, but you are a coward. 

[gatomontes99]

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I would have too.... a very sexy course so I've heard!  I play to play though....you pay for him to play.

So? We pay for his plumbing too. So I'm literally paying for him to take a shit. What's your point? 

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

'A stupid distraction'....really - has there ever been a president who has started more distractions than this guy?   

Do you really want to go there less than 6 months after Biden? He spent four years faking legal charges to distract people from how bad his admin was and how bad his corruption was. But yeah, let's worry about Trump playing golf on his own course. 

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

tariffs are a tax

Yes. I love how the left has finally started to realize that taxes are paid by the end user. For example, I don't pay income taxes. The company I work for pays those. But they don't really pay my taxes, our customers pay that through the fees we collect. The end user pays all taxes. 

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

that increases inflation

That isn't always true. A lot of people repeat this talking point. The reality is, the market place sets the price to the consumer. If a tariff is added to the cost to do business it could increase the cost of goods. However, whether or not the cost of the goods or services provided increases depends on the price elasticity and competition. Tariffs are an uneven tax that favors domestic production over international production. Short term, there might be some price increases. Long term, tariffs favor increased domestic jobs. 

As for inflation, let's say (for argument's sake) that 100% of the tariffs result in increased prices to consumers. If it did, that would mean that approximately 14% of consumption would increase. If we assume a flat rate of 15% for all tariffs (for the sake of simplicity and illustration) imports would account for 16.1% of the GDP. Given a $27.7T GDP, the total cost to consumers would be about 0.2%. The math does not support tariffs causing massive inflation. 

Imports

2023 GDP

 

[herbie]

Back home now, tail between his legs and the pout permanently welded on his face. They just adored him in Scotland, didn't they?

[LinkSoul60]

9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Do you really want to go there less than 6 months after Biden?

Last I knew for Biden's term, 12.6%GDP growth, 16.6M jobs created, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, and exceptional personal wealth created in your 401k's and through stock market performance.  If you didn't prosper, that';s on you.

15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. I love how the left has finally started to realize that taxes are paid by the end user.

That's funny!  You DF's had no idea of this until it finally got hammered home into your thin skulls

Play with your tariff math all you'd like....it means nothing until businesses incur and pass those taxes on.   Manufacturing is not coming back either....it left for a reason and those companies that did off-shore aren't coming back to appease Trump.  They account to their board and investors....not Trump. 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

  If we assume a flat rate of 15% for all tariffs (for the sake of simplicity and illustration) imports would account for 16.1% of the GDP. 

Can you explain this one point with an example?

[gatomontes99]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Last I knew for Biden's term, 12.6%GDP growth, 16.6M jobs created, lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, and exceptional personal wealth created in your 401k's and through stock market performance.  If you didn't prosper, that';s on you.

Wow. You didnt just move the goal posts you changed the whole game. And then left out massive inflation that negates almost everything.

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

That's funny!  You DF's had no idea of this until it finally got hammered home into your thin skulls

We've been harping on this since the Clinton tax hikes. If you didnt know that, where have you been?

 

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Play with your tariff math all you'd like....it means nothing until businesses incur and pass those taxes on.

You really need to read up on how consumer pricing works. I've explained it  

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Manufacturing is not coming back either.

Except, Trump's policies began as great comeback (with the exception of the covid dip), that was reversed by Biden. You can say it ain't coming back, but the reality and the data betray you:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/manemp

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

And then left out massive inflation that negates almost everything.

Global inflation has been painful for every country... If you look you'll find that Biden beat inflation quicker than other G7 countries.  Inflation is still a challenge everywhere, and wasn't Biden's fault.

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

We've been harping on this since the Clinton tax hikes.

So if you're aware that tariffs are taxes that you eventually pay for, why would you be in favour of them when you commented on massive inflation a second ago?  

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You really need to read up on how consumer pricing works. I've explained it  

I understand how consumer works. Your math is a little too simple though. Is this yours, or is there a source of this?

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Except, Trump's policies began as great comeback (with the exception of the covid dip), that was reversed by Biden. You can say it ain't coming back, but the reality and the data betray you:

The covid pandemic skews pretty much all data, but looking at the chart you referenced for manufacturing jobs Biden's economy did very well and a bit better than Trumps, albeit with the same inflation felt but the rest of worlds countries.

[robosmith]

On 7/29/2025 at 3:42 PM, paxamericana said:

Did you actually read the bill? It’s tax cut on federal income not social security contribution, that part remains the same. Oh and it took away tax on social security income. So you got more of the social security not less. 
 

RIP here lies robosmith, tragically died from TDs

NOT WHAT I SAID, lDIOT. 

What I said is, there is PLENTY OF MONEY in the $4T tax cut to pay for MEDICAID.

That means FOREGO $1T of the $4T tax cut and PAY FOR THE MEDICAID. Duh

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

So if you're aware that tariffs are taxes that you eventually pay for, why would you be in favour of them when you commented on massive inflation a second ago?  

Well, I am also in favor of a national sales tax. This is no different with the exception that a tariff provides a competitive advantage to domestic production. 

 

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

The covid pandemic skews pretty much all data, but looking at the chart you referenced for manufacturing jobs Biden's economy did very well and a bit better than Trumps, albeit with the same inflation felt but the rest of worlds countries.

I don't have time to go into all the reasons and data that shows how the Biden economy was flimsy. Just note that most of the gains Biden claimed were a result of the lock downs ending and most of the stock market gains were a result of inflationary pressure and most of the GDP and job increases came from government spending. Even wage growth looked great until you compared it to inflation. Look at the savings rates for families. Thats a great indicator of how poorly they were doing. The savings to debt ratio under Biden ballooned.