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I strongly suspect that Epstein was involved in all sorts of shady arms deals and could bury a lot of very powerful people if he ever talked.

I also suspect this sex thing is a bit of a misdirection...a cover story...a distraction.

If I'm right, we'll never see anything but garbage from any government. 

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I strongly suspect that Epstein was involved in all sorts of shady arms deals and could bury a lot of very powerful people if he ever talked.

I also suspect this sex thing is a bit of a misdirection...a cover story...a distraction.

If I'm right, we'll never see anything but garbage from any government. 

No one (that knows) that I've heard has talked about Epstein involved in "arms deals."

And apparently you have ZERO EVIDENCE of that.

Posted
6 hours ago, robosmith said:

No one (that knows) that I've heard has talked about Epstein involved in "arms deals."

And apparently you have ZERO EVIDENCE of that.

Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell. Daughter of Robert Maxwell. A print and media mogul turned arms dealer to Isreal. A Mosad operative.

Tell me...how many times have you heard accusations that Epstein was CIA or Mosad or both?

Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.

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14 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Everything I mentioned in that post is an absolute public fact. If you disagree with something, be specific. 

Oh please. The fact that you can't even be honest with yourself... never mind, you will almost certainly just run away like you usually do anyhow. 

Not "just the facts buddy"

-Who is his Republican? Epstein donated to both Democrats and Republicans. 

-The immunity deal only applied to the specific charges at that time, not from any further charges or investigation. 

-There is no "Republican" conspiracy here that somehow the prosecutors on both sides were all Republican and in on some kind of conspiratorial deal together

-What exact lawyer are you talking about as the lawyers in general have represented many clients across the spectrum and some played various roles in the impeachment, not necessarily directly as part of Trumps defense team

-Who are these "Republican Lawyers?" That is misleading. 

-There was no "sudden" or "convenient" later findings to get Epstein. There was news, public pressure, and evidence that had been discovered that changed the circumstances. 

-There is nothing factual in saying it was "convenient" Epstein died, as you push conspiratorial nonsense without evidence about the circumstances of his death

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, User said:

Oh please. The fact that you can't even be honest with yourself... never mind, you will almost certainly just run away like you usually do anyhow. 

Not "just the facts buddy"

Yea it is just the facts and you continue to obfuscate and deny reality as usual. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

Who is his Republican? Epstein donated to both Democrats and Republicans. 

This has all been explained many times including recently. How many times do you need it spelt out?

 

The primary Republicans were:

Alex Acosta the Republican US attorney who negotiated the sweetheart immunity deal and non-prosecution agreement for Epstein and had it placed under seal so the public wouldn’t learn of it. The deal not only gave complete unlimited immunity to Epstein in exchange for pleading guilty on 2 prostitution charges with mild sentences but also gave unlimited immunity to any unnamed co-conspirators who might have been involved. A court later foundthis agreement violated federal Crime Victims Rights Act

Ken Starr, the Republican lawyer (of Clinton impeachment  fame) who represented Epstein and negotiated the sweetheart deal for Epstein   He would then go on to become chancellor of Baylor university and ultimately forced to resign after he covered up nearly 2 dozen sexual assaults and gang rapes committed by 19 different members of his football team where the victims continued to be taunted and bullied afterwards  

Alan Dershowitz, a longtime friend of Epstein known as a frequent visitor on the “Lolita Express” and to “Lolita Island” and a powerful and prominent Republican lawyer highly influential in Republican circles also represented Epstein alongside Starr in the sweetheart deal.   He was directly implicated and named as as an active user of Epstein’s underage girls  Epstein trafficking survivor Virginia Giuffre, who conveniently committed suicide just this year after Trump was reelected   

Jay Lefkowitz:  another prominent Republican lawyer who served in the Bush Sr and Bush Jr. administrations and was also a central member of Epstein’s legal team 

George Bush Jr (indirectly) whose administration signed off in the seal.

Donald Trump (indirectly at a minimum, potentially directly):  a close friend of Epstein’s for nearly 2 decades, who despite being fully aware of all of their actions above for some reason rewarded Acosta with an appointment to Attorney General and rewarded Starr and Dershowitz by retaining them for his own impeachment trials  His administration is now working with Mike Johnson to suppress the release of the Epstein file, which they had promised and promoted, and only AFTER he was briefed on how much his name appears in the files  

Alex Acosta again:  after the Miami Herald broke the story of his secret sweetheart deal with Epstein a decade earlier Acosta all of a sudden and conveniently “just discovered” new evidence on acts Epstein allegedly committed back then that are allegedly mot covered under the immunity deal because they allegedly occurred in New York and the immunity was only for crimes Florida. He then resigned as AG citing the Epstein controversy as “a distraction” and Epstein conveniently dies under suspicious circumstances while in Trump custody before any of the allegations be proven. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

The immunity deal only applied to the specific charges at that time, not from any further charges or investigation. 

To be clear Acosta didn’t say Epstein committed new acts after making the plea deal, he said these were old acts that they just didn’t know about when making the deal and only the Florida US attorney office was involved in the deal so it doesn’t apply to anything that happened in New York. Assuming these actions actually occurred and are not just another Republican fabrication like Saddam’s WMD, the most likely explanation is that prosecutors knew about these NYC acts the whole time but deliberately kept them out of the plea deal and off the record so that they would continue to have leverage over Epstein in the future. I mean even though Florida is a messed up shithole its ridiculous to think Epstein was only a pedo when he was in his Florida home but not his NYC home. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

-There is no "Republican" conspiracy here that somehow the prosecutors on both sides were all Republican and in on some kind of conspiratorial deal together

There are Republicans everywhere on the prosecution the defence and as potential accomplices.  There is a sweetheart plea deal that Republicans alone crafted and tried to keep secret which was so generous to Epstein it violated federal law.  There is the elevation of these specific republicans under a Republican president with long a deep Epstein ties and the convenient timing of Epstein’s sudden re-arrest and suspicious death under said Republican president right after the secret republican deal was exposed in the media  

Sure, it could a string of coincidences and innocent explanations etc. but Republicans routinely peddle in far fetched conspiracies against democrats for far less. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

-What exact lawyer are you talking about as the lawyers in general have represented many clients across the spectrum and some played various roles in the impeachment, not necessarily directly as part of Trumps defense team

-Who are these "Republican Lawyers?" That is misleading. 

Principles named above. These are prominent high profile politically active Republicans, not simply lawyers you find in the phone book who represent anyone who happens to call. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

-There was no "sudden" or "convenient" later findings to get Epstein. There was news, public pressure, and evidence that had been discovered that changed the circumstances. 

The “news” was when the Miami Herald broke the story of Acosta’s secret republican deal and then came the public pressure and Acosta conveniently “discovering” new evidence eight after. 
 

1 hour ago, User said:

There is nothing factual in saying it was "convenient" Epstein died, as you push conspiratorial nonsense without evidence about the circumstances of his death

His death was suspicious, the guards assigned to watch him faked their logs and left him alone just ling enough to commit suicide. His death before trial is very convenient to those who don’t want evidence to come to light. Maybe it’s all just unfortunate coincidence but like I said the Republicans peddle anti-democrat conspiracies all the time on far less than what transpired here. 

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4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell. Daughter of Robert Maxwell. A print and media mogul turned arms dealer to Isreal. A Mosad operative.

Tell me...how many times have you heard accusations that Epstein was CIA or Mosad or both?

You can't even show ONE CITE which says Epstein was involved in "arms deals." Duh

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21 hours ago, robosmith said:

The statute of limitations had NOT EXPIRED for THE FELONIES.

Say it with me: "CONVICTED OF 34 FELONIES." LMAO

Thanks for proving Dunning and Krueger right AGAIN about  you PRETENDING to be an expert in NYS LAWS.

Wasting your time trying with User....  Incapable of reading, comprehending, or absorbing anything that is at all derogatory of his orange hero.  

Posted
1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Yea it is just the facts and you continue to obfuscate and deny reality as usual. 

No, you mix facts with your opinion, hyperbole, speculation, and outright conspiratorial ramblings. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

This has all been explained many times including recently. How many times do you need it spelt out?

Can you read?

You wrote:

"Bush prosecutors gave Epstein and his Republican the sweetheart plea deal"

I do not want your ramgling list, I am specifically calling out that Epstein is not a "Republican" and you phrased this as "his Republican" 


In typical left-wing fashion, you can't just actually focus on the issue at hand, no, you have to throw out some other rambling garbage crap to wade through instead. 
 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Assuming these actions...

Like I said, not factual information, just your wild speculation. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Sure, it could a string of coincidences and innocent explanations etc. but Republicans routinely peddle in far fetched conspiracies against democrats for far less. 

So again... not factual information, as I said. You are just trying to justify your own peddling in garbage because others did it too!
 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

The “news” was when the Miami Herald broke the story of Acosta’s secret republican deal and then came the public pressure and Acosta conveniently “discovering” new evidence eight after. 

You just made the same specious assertion you did before I was criticizing as not factual, that it was "convenient" as if they just made something up or to your further conspiratorial ramblings that they had it all along and just sat on it for some nefarious reason...
 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

His death was suspicious, the guards assigned to watch him faked their logs and left him alone just ling enough to commit suicide. His death before trial is very convenient to those who don’t want evidence to come to light. Maybe it’s all just unfortunate coincidence but like I said the Republicans peddle anti-democrat conspiracies all the time on far less than what transpired here. 

There is no evidence of anything other than 2 lazy guards sleeping on the job and browsing the internet realizing they screwed up and covering their own asses. 

Once again, back to my point, you were not and are not just presenting the facts. 

 

 

 

Posted
27 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wasting your time trying with User....  Incapable of reading, comprehending, or absorbing anything that is at all derogatory of his orange hero.  

Look who is back!

You figure out how a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations is a felony yet?

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Posted
Just now, User said:

Look who is back!

You figure out how a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations is a felony yet?

Your mother has sat you on her lap to reread the Dr Suess collection?  You should have paid attention the first time around....

Posted
31 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Wasting your time trying with User....  Incapable of reading, comprehending, or absorbing anything that is at all derogatory of his orange hero.  

No logic, no reasoning, can't actually disagree with anything that was said and just throws out an insult because he's butthurt.

Yep, that'd be a linksoul post :)   You realize he wasn't talking to you, right?

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your mother has sat you on her lap to reread the Dr Suess collection?  You should have paid attention the first time around....

And still nothing intelligent to say.

How well you relate to 6-year-olds, and now you're focused on dr seuss

You're starting to worry me :) 

"That which doesn't kill me...

Had better start running."

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Just now, CdnFox said:

No logic, no reasoning, can't actually disagree with anything that was said and just throws out an insult because he's butthurt.

Yep, that'd be a linksoul post :)   You realize he wasn't talking to you, right?

The cdnjoke....   Tell me what you don't understand about this;

Trump sentenced for falsifying business records, but faces no punishment

President-elect Donald Trump received on an unconditional discharge for his criminal conviction in New York on Friday, meaning he will not face fines, prison, or any other penalties.

The former and future president appeared virtually in a Manhattan courtroom on Friday for his sentencing on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal a payment to an adult film star.

Posted
Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

The cdnjoke....   Tell me what you don't understand about this;

Trump sentenced for falsifying business records, but faces no punishment

President-elect Donald Trump received on an unconditional discharge for his criminal conviction in New York on Friday, meaning he will not face fines, prison, or any other penalties.

The former and future president appeared virtually in a Manhattan courtroom on Friday for his sentencing on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal a payment to an adult film star.

I already did. In fact I explained what was wrong with it in great detail.

Are you still struggling with your inability to read or is this just a general comprehension problem?

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Just now, CdnFox said:

I already did. In fact I explained what was wrong with it in great detail.

Are you still struggling with your inability to read or is this just a general comprehension problem?

Try again little man....  First and thankfully, I haven't had any conversation with you on this thread.

Please do explain again how the US justice system seems to have got this one wrong and you're right.

Posted
Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Try again little man....

Why, did you want me to do it in crayon this time? What specifically confused you?

Were the words too big? Do you need me to do it one sentence at a time so you can get your head around it?

Do you need me to find a 6-year-old who can say it in your language?

Pretend for a moment that you're an adult and actually address the issues I raised. Unless you're just admitting that you haven't got the intelligence to understand it

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9 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Your mother has sat you on her lap to reread the Dr Suess collection?  You should have paid attention the first time around....

Like you tend to do... you can't take a challenge, so you divert to personal comments instead. 

Not long before, like Hodad, you just run away. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, User said:

Like you tend to do... you can't take a challenge, so you divert to personal comments instead. 

Not long before, like Hodad, you just run away. 

I honestly don't recall seeing him make a single argument in this entire form. He'll make the occasional statement but then if challenged as you say he fires off a cloud of ink and swims away petrified.

I honestly at this point do not believe he knows how to make an argument. I have no idea why he's here considering he can't actually have a discussion and all he's doing is making himself look like a tool

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Had better start running."

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4 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Please do explain again how the US justice system seems to have got this one wrong and you're right.

This was not the "US justice system"

It was New York, a Prosecutor who was elected running on the campaign platform for getting Trump, and as it was already said to you before, a novel legal theory of them twisting the law to get him... just so someone like you can say he was a convicted felon, no time served... congratulations. It is still on appeal in multiple ways. 

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, User said:

Like you tend to do... you can't take a challenge, so you divert to personal comments instead. 

Not long before, like Hodad, you just run away. 

Are you incapable of reading and comprehending this?

Trump sentenced for falsifying business records, but faces no punishment

President-elect Donald Trump received on an unconditional discharge for his criminal conviction in New York on Friday, meaning he will not face fines, prison, or any other penalties.

The former and future president appeared virtually in a Manhattan courtroom on Friday for his sentencing on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal a payment to an adult film star.

2 minutes ago, User said:

This was not the "US justice system"

It was New York, a Prosecutor who was elected running on the campaign platform for getting Trump, and as it was already said to you before, a novel legal theory of them twisting the law to get him... just so someone like you can say he was a convicted felon, no time served... congratulations. It is still on appeal in multiple ways. 

 

Last I heard NY was in the US.

Give up User, you're orange obsession has crossed the line to embarrassing and pathetic....

Posted
8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Why, did you want me to do it in crayon this time? What specifically confused you?

Were the words too big? Do you need me to do it one sentence at a time so you can get your head around it?

Do you need me to find a 6-year-old who can say it in your language?

Pretend for a moment that you're an adult and actually address the issues I raised. Unless you're just admitting that you haven't got the intelligence to understand it

Answer the question....  

Posted
Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Answer the question....  

I did. Read the answer

Why are you dodging this, why are you hiding from the answer I've already provided?

Are you scared, are you afraid that now you're going to look like A twat?

Are you unable to find anything to disagree with in my answer?

There are serious problems with a Tinkerbell law, why don't you address that?

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Just now, CdnFox said:

I did. Read the answer

Why are you dodging this, why are you hiding from the answer I've already provided?

Are you scared, are you afraid that now you're going to look like A twat?

Are you unable to find anything to disagree with in my answer?

There are serious problems with a Tinkerbell law, why don't you address that?

This is what you say little man....  Please point out your answer;

 

I already did. In fact I explained what was wrong with it in great detail.

Are you still struggling with your inability to read or is this just a general comprehension problem?

Why, did you want me to do it in crayon this time? What specifically confused you?

Were the words too big? Do you need me to do it one sentence at a time so you can get your head around it?

Do you need me to find a 6-year-old who can say it in your language?

Pretend for a moment that you're an adult and actually address the issues I raised. Unless you're just admitting that you haven't got the intelligence to understand it

Posted
2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

This is what you say little man....  Please point out your answer;

 

I already did. In fact I explained what was wrong with it in great detail.

Are you still struggling with your inability to read or is this just a general comprehension problem?

Why, did you want me to do it in crayon this time? What specifically confused you?

Were the words too big? Do you need me to do it one sentence at a time so you can get your head around it?

Do you need me to find a 6-year-old who can say it in your language?

Pretend for a moment that you're an adult and actually address the issues I raised. Unless you're just admitting that you haven't got the intelligence to understand it

I did answer it.  And in fact i answered it to more than just you but lets start with SOME of my answers to you:

 

Answers the question perfectly.

 

But in typical left-wing fashion rather than actually address the answers you play this little game where you pretend that I haven't spoken about it at all and ask the questions again

What a Lying sack of crap you are

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