Trump can't make deals, says "the letters are the deals"

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And confirmed by carney. 

Also he bumped military spending to 2 percent, so that's a couple dozen billion more to please trump. Then agreed to 5 percent.  Soooo... yeah

Not if you don't get something for it. It's fine to move a date if somebody caves and gives you something or makes a commitment, but if they don't give you anything and you just move the date then all it does is prove that you weren't serious in the first place and that you're weak

Bottom line is you're a lying sack of crap you can't answer an honest series of facts. Carney has given up several things, and got absolutely nothing in return. Trump in the meantime has piled on a bunch of things and we haven't done a damn thing about it

So it turns out I know a hell of a lot more about negotiations than you do

Now carney, who promised that he would be able to get rid of trump's tariffs, has had to come out and admit that he won't be able to. And he's going around right now talking to industry asking them to tell him what's the maximum amount of tariff they think they can survive so that he can try and hold it to that maximum amount

And you think this is a great negotiator who's got the situation well in hand.

Like it's not like I try to make you look stupid. Honestly you just do it without any help from me in this slightest.

Let's go through your nonsense;

You said he caved 5B on border security, but now it's the NATO defence spend of 2% and the recent NATO target of 5% by 2035, is that right?  If so, you mean like all other NATO countries have already been doing, and have just committed to.  I fail to see how anyone other than you and westcanman could interpret this as caving in a negation, when it's not even part of the negotiation.  Example #1 of your usual BS.

About moving the dates, obviously safe to say both sides agreed to that.  You have zero knowledge of the discussions and have zero knowledge of negotiating. You agree to and sign the deal when both sides are satisfied, regardless of a date.  Example #2 of your usual BS

You then start calling me a 'lying sack of crap' because 'I can't answer an honest series of facts'.  Given I haven't seen any facts yet not surprising right...  Example #3 of your usual BS

You then jump right back to saying 'Carney has given up several things, and got absolutely nothing in return. Trump in the meantime has piled on a bunch of things and we haven't done a damn thing about it'.  From the beginning of this thread you haven't said one thing other than DST.   Again, WHAT have we given up and WHAT are the 'bunch of things' that we haven't done anything about?  Example #4 of your usual BS

You then say you know a hell of a lot more about negotiating than I do. That may be so, but the more you type, I'd doubt it.  Example #5 of your usual BS

Yes, the US is applying a tariff to EVERY country in the world so we can expect one as well.  We'll see how good of a negotiator Carney is what he can do for our economy.  He's been in the seat 3 months with a lot to clean up and a different world to deal with.  But yet again, like everyone else, you have zero knowledge of the discussions.

You do just fine in making yourself look stupid without my help.  The examples of your BS is typical of pretty much each and every post of yours. You dream stuff up to help you with your partisan views and cope with the sadness of PP's epic flop. Get over it.

So back to the point a while ago..... You're a political hack incapable of critical thinking. 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Let's go through your nonsense;

 

Lets watch you try to lie your way out of this. THis is why you're scared of me. 

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You said he caved 5B on border security, but now it's the NATO defence spend of 2% and the recent NATO target of 5% by 2035, is that right?  . 

Three separate things. Your attempt to try and suggest that one worked into the other is childish.

He confirmed the border security spending and transfer of assets, he then brought NATO spending up to 2% for the next year which was one of trump's issues, and subsequent to that he is also agreed to increase it to 5%. Those are all things to please trump and they are three separate incidents of three different times

And the first two represent billions and billions of dollars that we got nothing for

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If so, you mean like all other NATO countries have already been doing,

I mean as trump demanded and we came to immediately. The border security no, the other nations have got nothing to do with that so it was a silly thing to say. The 2% we have never done and we hadn't made a commitment to do it quickly. We had said we would get there over a few years but in order to make trump happy carney said he would get there by next year. That is a  concession on our part.

So that's two things we've done to please trump that we didn't have to do and got nothing for.

Then we agreed to a 5% increase which nobody has been doing before despite your claim that everyone's always done it. No it's possible he intended to break that promise god knows liberals frequently promised such things and don't deliver, but even the commitment is something we gave to trump and got nothing for

So currently there are three things we got nothing for that represent at the very least several tens of billions of dollars is spending in the next year or so and we will not even get into the long-term spending

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I fail to see how anyone other than you and westcanman could interpret this as caving in a negation, when it's not even part of the negotiation.  Example #1 of your usual BS.

How is example one BS? We spent the money on border enforcement and are transferring a helicopter. And Carney is continuing with that as part of the deal with trump. There's no bullshit

And yes the rest was to appease trump. It is absolutely part of the deal

So three things so far and they're all very real

 

 

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About moving the dates, obviously safe to say both sides agreed to that

No, trump just ignored it. Nor did trump agree to it in the first place. Carney said if a deal is not in place by this date we will do retaliatory tariffs. Then he got to that date and then just arbitrarily change the date. Trump couldn't give a shit, trump is just watching this guy and completely laughing at him and knows that he is going to cave when the dates roll around.

Trump on the other hand set states and says give me something by that date or I tariff you, and Carney turns around and gives him what he wants. That trump says well that bought you a little time now give me something else or I will tariff you.

So it turns out that what I said was absolutely truthful. Trump has been getting tons of things, he's got 5 billion dollars in increased border security, helicopter, he's got our NATO spending where he wants it which was absolutely part of the deal to try and keep him happy, we dropped our tariffs right away when he demanded it, And we dropped the dST over the weekend when he told us to

We have gotten nothing in return. Not one thing

So your entire argument was just to whine and cry and say things didn't count when they obviously count. I noticed you couldn't even address things like the DST

 

The second half is You just recounting the absolutely correct things I said about you. I don't know why, you never got to a point.

The lack of education is perfectly clear for everyone to see.

And you're such a whiny little brat that honestly you're kind of boring.

 

So let's recap

Trump demanded increase border security and he got it. We got nothing

Trump demanded we meet our NATO commitment of 2% which we immediately did and got nothing

Trump demanded that we increase to 5% which we are agreed to and got nothing

Trump demanded that we drop our tariffs while he keeps his, which we did and we got nothing

We threaten to increase tariffs by a certain date if a deal isn't reached, no deal is reached and we cave and do not increase tariffs. Trump increases tariffs. We get nothing

Trump demands we drop the DST which carney has been saying for months we will absolutely charge and we are not going to change our mind on and within 48 hours it's gone.  And we got nothing. 

 

So when I say that carney has given up many things to trump and we have gotten nothing it is a 100% accurate statement and it is a statement that has been reflected by other people

And your only response is to wine and cry and claim it's not fair and that I mean to you

You debate like carney negotiates.

[LinkSoul60]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Lets watch you try to lie your way out of this. THis is why you're scared of me. 

Three separate things. Your attempt to try and suggest that one worked into the other is childish.

He confirmed the border security spending and transfer of assets, he then brought NATO spending up to 2% for the next year which was one of trump's issues, and subsequent to that he is also agreed to increase it to 5%. Those are all things to please trump and they are three separate incidents of three different times

And the first two represent billions and billions of dollars that we got nothing for

I mean as trump demanded and we came to immediately. The border security no, the other nations have got nothing to do with that so it was a silly thing to say. The 2% we have never done and we hadn't made a commitment to do it quickly. We had said we would get there over a few years but in order to make trump happy carney said he would get there by next year. That is a  concession on our part.

So that's two things we've done to please trump that we didn't have to do and got nothing for.

Then we agreed to a 5% increase which nobody has been doing before despite your claim that everyone's always done it. No it's possible he intended to break that promise god knows liberals frequently promised such things and don't deliver, but even the commitment is something we gave to trump and got nothing for

So currently there are three things we got nothing for that represent at the very least several tens of billions of dollars is spending in the next year or so and we will not even get into the long-term spending

How is example one BS? We spent the money on border enforcement and are transferring a helicopter. And Carney is continuing with that as part of the deal with trump. There's no bullshit

And yes the rest was to appease trump. It is absolutely part of the deal

So three things so far and they're all very real

 

 

No, trump just ignored it. Nor did trump agree to it in the first place. Carney said if a deal is not in place by this date we will do retaliatory tariffs. Then he got to that date and then just arbitrarily change the date. Trump couldn't give a shit, trump is just watching this guy and completely laughing at him and knows that he is going to cave when the dates roll around.

Trump on the other hand set states and says give me something by that date or I tariff you, and Carney turns around and gives him what he wants. That trump says well that bought you a little time now give me something else or I will tariff you.

So it turns out that what I said was absolutely truthful. Trump has been getting tons of things, he's got 5 billion dollars in increased border security, helicopter, he's got our NATO spending where he wants it which was absolutely part of the deal to try and keep him happy, we dropped our tariffs right away when he demanded it, And we dropped the dST over the weekend when he told us to

We have gotten nothing in return. Not one thing

So your entire argument was just to whine and cry and say things didn't count when they obviously count. I noticed you couldn't even address things like the DST

 

The second half is You just recounting the absolutely correct things I said about you. I don't know why, you never got to a point.

The lack of education is perfectly clear for everyone to see.

And you're such a whiny little brat that honestly you're kind of boring.

 

So let's recap

Trump demanded increase border security and he got it. We got nothing

Trump demanded we meet our NATO commitment of 2% which we immediately did and got nothing

Trump demanded that we increase to 5% which we are agreed to and got nothing

Trump demanded that we drop our tariffs while he keeps his, which we did and we got nothing

We threaten to increase tariffs by a certain date if a deal isn't reached, no deal is reached and we cave and do not increase tariffs. Trump increases tariffs. We get nothing

Trump demands we drop the DST which carney has been saying for months we will absolutely charge and we are not going to change our mind on and within 48 hours it's gone.  And we got nothing. 

 

So when I say that carney has given up many things to trump and we have gotten nothing it is a 100% accurate statement and it is a statement that has been reflected by other people

And your only response is to wine and cry and claim it's not fair and that I mean to you

You debate like carney negotiates.

You have a very partisan way of looking at things... 

[CdnFox]

57 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You have a very partisan way of looking at things... 

There is nothing partisan about anything I said there. Everything I said is not only factual but has been repeated by others including liberals. This is why Lloyd axworthy calls carney a boot licker

The reason you call a partisan is because you know I'm absolutely right and you have no actual defense or counterpoint but you're angry that your tribe is being attacked

Any reasonable and non-partisan person would see that not only is what I'm saying true that it's getting worse. The national post is reporting today that trump is back asking for more at the table and carney still hasn't got any concessions

We are getting steamrolled here. And the fact that it hurts your teeny tiny little liberal feelings is of no interest to anyone. For me this isn't oh yeah look the liberals are doing badly, this is oh shit we are going to get steamrolled and murdered and we are probably talking about the better part of a decade at least where we will underperform as a result and we were already in shit with our pathetic economy.

What kind of person are you that you just don't care about this kind of damage and what it's going to do to people?

[Boges]

17 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

PP is a master at debating, sharp retorts, and answering questions with all the requisite facts and stats. e makes people look silly all the time, the CBC just doesn't show you any of that because it's contrary to their partisan bias.

PP would never sit there and let Trump say BS like "we finance Canada and get ripped off in this trade deal.

PP would remind Trump, right in the f'ing WH, that the current USMCA trade deal was his own, the US gets hundreds of billions of dollars worth of oil at discount prices from Alberta, and we don't make all the cars. We buy about 9% of the cars and we make far less than that. And along with what jobs we do get uin the auto sector, we also tariff non-American auto manufacturers highly to protect US manufacturers. Etc, etc, etc.

Carney said nothing. He shrugged like a 7-yr-old boy in the principal's office.

 

If you really paid attention to Canadian politics instead of hoovering up CBC drivel then you'd know that PP is an excellent politician with good vision, good ideas, strong leadership, he's quick on his feet, and doesn't lose debates. The fact that he has never been a carpenter or a substitute drama teacher is no real critique of his ability to run this country. But you had to find out the hard way.

You're still pretending Carney isn't a worthless liar who rolls over like a golden retriever puppy. So is the CBC. And day by day, week by week, month by month, Trump keeps getting his way with us because of that.

Hey ChatCPT can you write a 200 word screed on why Pierre Poilievre is a great politician and why Mark Carney sucks. Try to use as much lame rhetoric as possible. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

For all practical purposes, tariffs are taxes. The government makes imports more expensive and pockets the difference. It is quite something that a Republican businessman harbours such a fanatical faith in the power of these particular taxes to turbo-charge the American economy despite centuries of evidence to the contrary. 

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

For all practical purposes, tariffs are taxes. The government makes imports more expensive and pockets the difference. It is quite something that a Republican businessman harbours such a fanatical faith in the power of these particular taxes to turbo-charge the American economy despite centuries of evidence to the contrary. 

They're assuming that the power of the US market will force companies trying to import to the US to reduce their margin to cover the tariffs. If the foreign company eats the cost of the tariffs, then the US consumer doesn't see a price increase and the US treasury reaps the benefits. 

I'm sure some of this is happening. But at 30% - 50% tariffs which we'll start seeing in August if Trump doesn't TACO again it'll just mean that imported products either become more expensive or they just don't come. 

This has got to be the reality for imported steel. It seems like Trump will throw the baby out with the bathwater by saving domestic steel while making domestic industries that use Steel less competitive. 

[LinkSoul60]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There is nothing partisan about anything I said there. Everything I said is not only factual but has been repeated by others including liberals. This is why Lloyd axworthy calls carney a boot licker

The reason you call a partisan is because you know I'm absolutely right and you have no actual defense or counterpoint but you're angry that your tribe is being attacked

Any reasonable and non-partisan person would see that not only is what I'm saying true that it's getting worse. The national post is reporting today that trump is back asking for more at the table and carney still hasn't got any concessions

We are getting steamrolled here. And the fact that it hurts your teeny tiny little liberal feelings is of no interest to anyone. For me this isn't oh yeah look the liberals are doing badly, this is oh shit we are going to get steamrolled and murdered and we are probably talking about the better part of a decade at least where we will underperform as a result and we were already in shit with our pathetic economy.

What kind of person are you that you just don't care about this kind of damage and what it's going to do to people?

You've said absolutely nothing of fact in your past 3 essays....nothing, and have only shown yet again your ridiculous bias.

 Such is life for a disappointed Poilievre admirer....  Maybe next time?

[WestCanMan]

19 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm a cultist?  Read your taglines and tell me again who's a cultist

1) You don't even understand why I wrote that, which shows how illiterate you are

2) My signatures are just fine. Have a nice day, cultist. 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Call it what you'd like....   I'm not taking much time responding to his non-stop bias crap.

Pretty much same with you....   move on 

I call it "Stinkhole is just a troll, with a real dark soul and the brain of a mole."

How's that?

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

1) You don't even understand why I wrote that, which shows how illiterate you are

2) My signatures are just fine. Have a nice day, cultist. 

No, it's difficult to understand the logic of most things you write.

But speaking of cults, still waiting to see your comments in the Alberta measles thread.  You're quiet....why is that?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Hey ChatCPT can you write a 200 word screed on why Pierre Poilievre is a great politician and why Mark Carney sucks. Try to use as much lame rhetoric as possible. 

You asked what PP would do differently and I already told you, putz. 

He would do the exact opposite of Carney: he'd show some spine and speak intelligently on behalf of Canadians. 

The MSM all across the US is just dying for soundbites to use against Trump and so far Carney has given them nothing.   

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You've said absolutely nothing of fact in your past 3 essays.

Tons of facts. In fact it's all facts which is why you can't actually come up with an argument against it. 

Every single thing I've said is true. The problem is you don't like it so we're rather than deal with it you just deny the facts. 

Fact -  carney said he'd get us back to a no trump tariff trade agreement and admits now that isn't going to happen. 

Fact - he's given away a lot and got nothing in return, 

Fact- trump is increasing tariffs. and according to reports in the news he's demanding even more concessions

Fact: By caving so much especially over the DST carney has made himself look weak and trump will always go in for the kill anytime he feels there is weakness

Fact: This is already had a significant impact on our economy.  And our economy is already weak. We've more than doubled our national debt in the last 10 years and Carney is going to put us another 100 billion in debt this year and probably something close to that for the next 3 years at least.  We are in trouble.  That is the fact

 

And the fact you get tuckered out after more than 2 sentences and consider an online post to be an 'essay' should be completely embarrassing for you.  Sorry you need a nap if there's more than 10 words, it must really be tiring to have to sound out each letter as you read like that

 

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, it's difficult to understand the logic of most things you write.

But speaking of cults, still waiting to see your comments in the Alberta measles thread.  You're quiet....why is that?

It's easy to understand. You just have a severe comprehension problem. Which is why you have to take a nap after more than three sentences

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You asked what PP would do differently and I already told you, putz. 

He would do the exact opposite of Carney: he'd show some spine and speak intelligently on behalf of Canadians. 

The MSM all across the US is just dying for soundbites to use against Trump and so far Carney has given them nothing.   

Yes because Trump responds to facts. 

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No, it's difficult to understand the logic of most things you write.

But speaking of cults, still waiting to see your comments in the Alberta measles thread.  You're quiet....why is that?

That's because you're not using logic, linksoul. You see the world through the eyes of a cultist.

IE, your confirmation bias is set to Iron Dumb, and the second that you experience a bit of cognitive dissonance your crippled hamster falls out of its wheel. 

I haven't even looked in an Alberta Measles thread. "Oh noooo!"

 

PS: Where is the Alberta Measles thread? 

Edited July 18, 2025 by WestCanMan

[WestCanMan]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yes because Trump responds to facts. 

He hasn't had to because Carney hasn't said anything.

But just in case you missed my post, I didn't say that Trump would respond to facts: I said that the MSM in the US is dying for some facts to use against Trump but all that Carney does when he's around Trump is stare at his own bellybutton. 

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Yes because Trump responds to facts. 

Trump doesn't respond to facts. But the public does and so does the business community and trump does respond to those.

If you attack him through his base you can get results, as we saw with the auto sector. 

The midterms are all so coming up and the vast majority of the senate seats that will be up for election our republican. It's not hard to start putting pressure in those ridings and states and those congress people and senators will start putting pressure on trump if they start worrying about losing

You have to be graceful about it, you have to make sure you leave him and out where he can save face but you absolutely can pressure him tremendously. It's going to hurt Canada there's no two ways about it but it's like any war, now that you're in it you spend the money necessary to get out of it and win

Or surrender. Which seems to be Carney's move

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Tons of facts. In fact it's all facts which is why you can't actually come up with an argument against it. 

Every single thing I've said is true. The problem is you don't like it so we're rather than deal with it you just deny the facts. 

Fact -  carney said he'd get us back to a no trump tariff trade agreement and admits now that isn't going to happen. 

Fact - he's given away a lot and got nothing in return, 

Fact- trump is increasing tariffs. and according to reports in the news he's demanding even more concessions

Fact: By caving so much especially over the DST carney has made himself look weak and trump will always go in for the kill anytime he feels there is weakness

Fact: This is already had a significant impact on our economy.  And our economy is already weak. We've more than doubled our national debt in the last 10 years and Carney is going to put us another 100 billion in debt this year and probably something close to that for the next 3 years at least.  We are in trouble.  That is the fact

 

And the fact you get tuckered out after more than 2 sentences and consider an online post to be an 'essay' should be completely embarrassing for you.  Sorry you need a nap if there's more than 10 words, it must really be tiring to have to sound out each letter as you read like that

 

I've pointed out twice now, and have taken more than enough time to point out how full of shit you, but your simple mind just stays in its own narrow lane. 

It's pointless to have any sort of discussion with you...  Go back to staring at your PP posters

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I've pointed out twice now, and have taken more than enough time to point out how full of shit you, but your simple mind just stays in its own narrow lane. 

 

You don't point anything out. That's becoming abundantly clear with you, you don't actually have an argument and can't make any actual points and have no facts. All you do is simply say "U WRONG!" and can't explain why.

Everything I said above is absolutely true and verifiable. You haven't actually offered a single argument against any of them. Like I said, you seem to think that an argument is just simply saying no it isn't every time someone says yes it is and as Monty Python long ago established that is not what an argument is.

No wonder you're afraid of me. You know  there are resources online you could use to learn how to make an argument

[LinkSoul60]

Just now, CdnFox said:

You don't point anything out. That's becoming abundantly clear with you, you don't actually have an argument and can't make any actual points and have no facts. All you do is simply say "U WRONG!" and can't explain why.

Everything I said above is absolutely true and verifiable. You haven't actually offered a single argument against any of them. Like I said, you seem to think that an argument is just simply saying no it isn't every time someone says yes it is and as Monty Python long ago established that is not what an argument is.

No wonder you're afraid of me. You know  there are resources online you could use to learn how to make an argument

Go back and read fool...  

This reminds me of 'debates' I had with my children when they were 5 or 6 years old.  It was funny and a learning experience for them back then, but with you, not so funny trying to talk with a so-called adult who still hasn't learned anything....

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Go back and read fool...  

 

I did. Oh look you're lying again. You haven't made a single argument.

The closest you came was simply saying it doesn't count without actually explaining why in any fashion

2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

This reminds me of 'debates' I had with my children when they were 5 or 6 years old.  

Why, did you lose to them too?

We see your type here often enough. Your intelligence is actually relatively low as is your education, you obviously feel self-Conscious about that so to try and deflect you take on a fake air of intellectual superiority.

But literally every person here can see that it's completely fake. You made no intelligent arguments so far, 90% of your posts are just simply throwing out an insult and running like a child, you have nothing intelligent to add to any of the discussions, and you run in fear of anyone that you perceive as smarter than you which is almost everyone.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest to hear that you debate six year olds and that you lose

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I did. Oh look you're lying again. You haven't made a single argument.

The closest you came was simply saying it doesn't count without actually explaining why in any fashion

Why, did you lose to them too?

We see your type here often enough. Your intelligence is actually relatively low as is your education, you obviously feel self-Conscious about that so to try and deflect you take on a fake air of intellectual superiority.

But literally every person here can see that it's completely fake. You made no intelligent arguments so far, 90% of your posts are just simply throwing out an insult and running like a child, you have nothing intelligent to add to any of the discussions, and you run in fear of anyone that you perceive as smarter than you which is almost everyone.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest to hear that you debate six year olds and that you lose

Each of my children had a higher level of common sense and intellect at 6 years old than you do now.

And I don't need to project any intellectual superiority. Your lack thereof is more than enough to close that convo....

You can quit typing to me and move on now 👉

[CdnFox]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

Each of my children had a higher level of common sense and intellect at 6 years old than you do now.

Your children are probably a stupid as you are, and which case they are never ever ever going to get close to me.

And once again rather than actually address points all you've got is cheesy insults and you can't address the issue.

I've said it before, if you were half as smart as you think you are you still be twice as smart as you actually are. And obviously it bothers you, it has you running around in fear throwing insults instead of making an argument and making a jackass of yourself on the internet.

Tell your children I'm sorry for their bad luck. Maybe they can change their name when they get older so they don't have to be associated with you to spare themselves the same

[LinkSoul60]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Your children are probably a stupid as you are, and which case they are never ever ever going to get close to me.

And once again rather than actually address points all you've got is cheesy insults and you can't address the issue.

I've said it before, if you were half as smart as you think you are you still be twice as smart as you actually are. And obviously it bothers you, it has you running around in fear throwing insults instead of making an argument and making a jackass of yourself on the internet.

Tell your children I'm sorry for their bad luck. Maybe they can change their name when they get older so they don't have to be associated with you to spare themselves the same

Points were addressed multiple times...  

Fool... 😂

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Points were addressed multiple times...  

Fool... 😂

You haven't addressed them even once and you refuse to.

Lets keep this simple for you seeing as you've apparently only learned to debate to a 6 year old level.

As i have abundantly proven carney has given away many concessions to please trump,  and we have gotten nothing in return to date. People are saying he's looking weak and that's even from liberal supporters and media of other countries 

He has already admitted he will not be able to keep his promise of getting rid of trump tariffs. 

From the sounds of it supply management is going to be on the table too. 

Given his failure, what do you have to say about carney' as "the man who can handle trump' now, which is what he billed himself as during the election?