Woman Self-Deports to Mexico After 36 Years in America So Family Doesn’t Live in ‘Fear’ (Exclusive)

[WestCanMan]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why have Americans turned on immigrants?

More properly: Why have Americans Turned on Mass Illegal Immigration?

Illegal immigration:

1. drives down the cost of entry-level labour and sh1t jobs that no one wants
2. drives up the rents in low-income neighbourhoods
3. brings serious violent crime and drug problems to America

Mostly 1 and 2, but 3 can't be ignored.  

When you look at #'s 1 and 2, which are indisputable, how is it that the Demmie politicians can be considered the champions of poor America when they are the ones who are profiting the most from their own policies which which drive down the standard of living in the worst neighbourhoods in America?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You are completely nuts and make no sense. 

The Usual response of a hurt child that doesn't have any logic to back up their assertions.

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You are on a hate campaign. 

Speaking the truth is not a hate campaign

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She was brought to America when she was a kid and worked hard for 12 hrs a day six days a week.  That ought to tell you she is a hard-working honest person. 

It does not. First off the only evidence you have for this is her statement to a newspaper. If you are stupid enough to think that everything printed in a newspaper is automatically true then it's no wonder that people like this fool you.

Secondly I also know that she pocketed that money and used it to build property outside of united states instead of getting her paperwork taken care of and is now lying claiming she had no money to get the paperwork taken care of

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Then she had family and now grandkids. 

And the fact she would put them at risk by building a house in Mexico rather than getting her paperwork taken care of shows that she is a bad person.

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Anybody knows the U.S. system of obtaining citizenship is very difficult and dangerous to get involved in for undocumented migrants.  That's probably why she didn't try to get too involved in it.   She was probably thinking of her family and not breaking it up by risking dealing with unreasonable bureaucrats who might just deport her for nothing, which obviously they do.

That is just a blatant lie. The only time it's ever been particularly tough is right now, everybody knows it was extremely easy under Biden and obama. She's been here for 35 years, she had plenty of opportunity. But just like you she didn't give a Flying Fig about breaking the law

 

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So I disagree with you on a number of levels. 

The difference is I can point to actual evidence. She had the money to fix this, we know that. She was in the country unlawfully, she knew that her permit ended and she was supposed to leave when her permit ended but instead of dealing with it she chose not to. That is the testimony she is putting forward. Further we know she had the money to deal with this.

On top of it all she's happy to be reunited with her mother, she always intended to leave America anyway, she was building a house in Mexico, and she left America rather than dealing with her paperwork. And if she wanted to she could deal with her paperwork right now from Mexico and she's not.

If the story is to be believed at all, that it's clear that she is dishonest and she is not suffering as a result from this. She has made a decision, and she could have chosen differently and fixed the problem.

And you still have not addressed any of that, you absolutely refuse to address that with any of these cases and that proves that you know you're in the wrong. If you believed what you said that she was a good person you would have answers for those issues but you don't.

So there you go

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Illegal immigration:

1. drives down the cost of entry-level labour and sh1t jobs that no one wants.

According to credible reports, that is completely false.

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Here are some of the most widespread myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy, and the research that refutes them.

Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

After being detained and released by law enforcement, undocumented immigrants from Central America wait for assistance in a Catholic Charities relief center in McAllen, Texas. Photo by Loren Elliott/Reuters.

It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

WATCH:Proposed immigration policy penalizes legal residents for use of public benefits

In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.

Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes.

Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons.

First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years.

There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high.

“While it is really important to ensure that immigrants and their children have access to the safety net, there are already a lot of eligibility barriers in place,” said Hamutal Bernstein, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute.

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Many immigrants are hesitant to take public benefits even if they are eligible, Peri said.

“There is a little bit of a stigma in applying for welfare because they have come here to work, to support their families,” Peri said.

Immigrants can be a financial burden to state and local governments through the cost of sending their children to public school — something Trump mentioned Thursday.

But Trump’s claim ignored a critical point. Educating those children has economic benefits later down the road when they get better-paying jobs and, in turn, pay higher taxes.

Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs

Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

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4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy | PBS News

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Illegal immigration:

 

drives up the rents in low-income neighbourhoods

A MARTÍNEZ, HOST:

During the vice presidential debate earlier this month, JD Vance made a claim that went straight to some of the biggest concerns for American voters - immigration and housing.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

JD VANCE: You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

MARTÍNEZ: Chloe East is an associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. She has studied the impact of immigration on people born in the United States. The picture is more complex. I called her up to get to the bottom of how undocumented immigrants affect the U.S. housing market.

CHLOE EAST: JD Vance is incorrect in his claim. While undocumented immigrants may play a small role in increasing housing prices in some areas, the majority of the reason that we're seeing increases in housing prices is other factors separate from undocumented immigration.

MARTÍNEZ: What role would they play?

EAST: When more people move into an area, whether they're undocumented immigrants or not, they increase demand for housing in that area, but they also increase demand for other things too. So this includes restaurant meals, haircuts, et cetera. And that increase in demand that we see for housing will have a small impact on housing prices.

MARTÍNEZ: What are the main drivers?

EAST: So the main factor is a slowdown in new residential construction that has been happening since the Great Recession. Also, high interest rates that we've seen in the last few years have been causing people not to sell their home. There was also an increase in demand for housing during the pandemic because of an increase in remote work that allowed people to work from home and want to have larger houses to do so. And then finally, there's been an increase in more restrictive zoning laws across the country, and that has also led to depressed residential construction and housing.

MARTÍNEZ: And typically, what types of housing do undocumented migrants tend to live in?

EAST: So undocumented immigrants primarily rent homes rather than buy, partly because of limitations on buying because of their legal status or their limited legal status. Undocumented immigrants are also more likely to double up or live with extended family members or nonrelatives compared to U.S.-born households. So in some sense, you could actually think about them as having lower demand for housing than an average U.S.-born household.

MARTÍNEZ: Yeah. After the debate, JD Vance cited on X Michelle Bowman. She's a member of the board of governors at the Federal Reserve. And this was the quote - "Given the current low inventory of affordable housing, the inflow of new immigrants to some geographic areas could result in upward pressure on rents." What do you make of that? I mean, are migrants, legal or not, contributing to a pressure on rent prices?

EAST: Right. So rents have gone up about 30% since the beginning of the pandemic, and I think it is true that there might be some areas in the U.S. where immigration is having a small role to play in that increase in housing prices. But again, immigrants are not the main reason that we're seeing that 30% increase in rents. We have about 4.5 million fewer homes than new families in the U.S., according to the most recent estimates, and 1 in 4 renters spend over 50% of their income on housing.

MARTÍNEZ: Under President George W. Bush's administration, 10 million people were deported. About 5 million people were deported under his successor, Barack Obama. Those numbers include what the Department of Homeland Security calls returns and removals. The Bush administration focused on worksite raids while Obama focused on deporting people with criminal histories and recent unauthorized border crossers.

EAST: The mass deportations did not improve housing prices. And if anything, they actually worsened housing prices because so many undocumented immigrants work in the construction industry. And it's clear from the research that U.S.-born workers do not take the jobs that are left behind when people are deported.

MARTÍNEZ: That's Chloe East, associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. Chloe, thank you.

EAST: Thank you so much.  "

Examining how undocumented migrants are affecting housing prices : NPR

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

brings serious violent crime and drug problems to America

"

Opponents of immigration often argue that immigrants drive up crime rates. But newly released research from Stanford economist Ran Abramitzky and his co-authors finds that hasn’t been the case in America for the last 140 years.

The study reveals that first-generation immigrants have not been more likely to be imprisoned than people born in the United States since 1880.

Today, immigrants are 30 percent less likely to be incarcerated than are U.S.-born individuals who are white, the study finds. And when the analysis is expanded to include Black Americans — whose prison rates are higher than the general population — the likelihood of an immigrant being incarcerated is 60 percent lower than of people born in the United States. 

While other research has also debunked claims that immigration leads to more crime, this study of incarceration rates provides the broadest historical look at the relationship between immigration and crime across the country and over time, says author Abramitzky. Abramitzky is the Stanford Federal Credit Union Professor of Economics and senior associate dean of social sciences in the School of Humanities and Sciences, as well as a senior fellow at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR).

The study is detailed in a working paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Using U.S. Census Bureau data, it focuses on immigrants present in the Census regardless of their legal status and on men between the ages of 18 and 40.

“From Henry Cabot Lodge in the late 19th century to Donald Trump, anti-immigration politicians have repeatedly tried to link immigrants to crime, but our research confirms that this is a myth and not based on fact,” says Abramitzky, whose 2022 book, Streets of Gold: America’s Untold Story of Immigrant Success, examines the many misconceptions around immigration."

"What’s more, comparing the imprisonment of Mexican and Central American immigrants to that of white males born in the United States based on education tells a different story, according to Abramitzky. Men without a high school degree are the group most likely to be incarcerated for criminal activity. “But Mexican and Central American immigrants with low levels of education, which comprise a large share of immigrants from this region, are significantly less likely to be incarcerated than U.S.-born men with similarly low levels of education,” he says."

The mythical tie between immigration and crime | Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR)

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The difference is I can point to actual evidence. She had the money to fix this, we know that.

Guess you didn't read the article.  She inherited a property (in Mexico).  She didn't buy.

The article says she just scraped by.  She had some extra money to start building a house on her property.  It clearly says she was just earning enough to live, but that meant working 12 hours a day for six days a week.  Who do you know that does that?

You imply she was being dishonest for spending some money in Mexico.  What a load of BS that is.  We live in a free country where people are free to spend whatever little or lot of money they have on whatever they see fit.  It is not dishonest to spend some money on what she believes is good for her future or her family.  That is a ridiculous claim you make.

Edited July 14, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

According to credible reports, that is completely false.

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Here are some of the most widespread myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy, and the research that refutes them.

Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

After being detained and released by law enforcement, undocumented immigrants from Central America wait for assistance in a Catholic Charities relief center in McAllen, Texas. Photo by Loren Elliott/Reuters.

It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

WATCH:Proposed immigration policy penalizes legal residents for use of public benefits

In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.

Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes.

Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons.

First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years.

There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high.

“While it is really important to ensure that immigrants and their children have access to the safety net, there are already a lot of eligibility barriers in place,” said Hamutal Bernstein, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute.

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Many immigrants are hesitant to take public benefits even if they are eligible, Peri said.

“There is a little bit of a stigma in applying for welfare because they have come here to work, to support their families,” Peri said.

Immigrants can be a financial burden to state and local governments through the cost of sending their children to public school — something Trump mentioned Thursday.

But Trump’s claim ignored a critical point. Educating those children has economic benefits later down the road when they get better-paying jobs and, in turn, pay higher taxes.

Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs

Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

unquote

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy | PBS News

A MARTÍNEZ, HOST:

During the vice presidential debate earlier this month, JD Vance made a claim that went straight to some of the biggest concerns for American voters - immigration and housing.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

JD VANCE: You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

MARTÍNEZ: Chloe East is an associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. She has studied the impact of immigration on people born in the United States. The picture is more complex. I called her up to get to the bottom of how undocumented immigrants affect the U.S. housing market.

CHLOE EAST: JD Vance is incorrect in his claim. While undocumented immigrants may play a small role in increasing housing prices in some areas, the majority of the reason that we're seeing increases in housing prices is other factors separate from undocumented immigration.

MARTÍNEZ: What role would they play?

EAST: When more people move into an area, whether they're undocumented immigrants or not, they increase demand for housing in that area, but they also increase demand for other things too. So this includes restaurant meals, haircuts, et cetera. And that increase in demand that we see for housing will have a small impact on housing prices.

MARTÍNEZ: What are the main drivers?

EAST: So the main factor is a slowdown in new residential construction that has been happening since the Great Recession. Also, high interest rates that we've seen in the last few years have been causing people not to sell their home. There was also an increase in demand for housing during the pandemic because of an increase in remote work that allowed people to work from home and want to have larger houses to do so. And then finally, there's been an increase in more restrictive zoning laws across the country, and that has also led to depressed residential construction and housing.

MARTÍNEZ: And typically, what types of housing do undocumented migrants tend to live in?

EAST: So undocumented immigrants primarily rent homes rather than buy, partly because of limitations on buying because of their legal status or their limited legal status. Undocumented immigrants are also more likely to double up or live with extended family members or nonrelatives compared to U.S.-born households. So in some sense, you could actually think about them as having lower demand for housing than an average U.S.-born household.

MARTÍNEZ: Yeah. After the debate, JD Vance cited on X Michelle Bowman. She's a member of the board of governors at the Federal Reserve. And this was the quote - "Given the current low inventory of affordable housing, the inflow of new immigrants to some geographic areas could result in upward pressure on rents." What do you make of that? I mean, are migrants, legal or not, contributing to a pressure on rent prices?

EAST: Right. So rents have gone up about 30% since the beginning of the pandemic, and I think it is true that there might be some areas in the U.S. where immigration is having a small role to play in that increase in housing prices. But again, immigrants are not the main reason that we're seeing that 30% increase in rents. We have about 4.5 million fewer homes than new families in the U.S., according to the most recent estimates, and 1 in 4 renters spend over 50% of their income on housing.

MARTÍNEZ: Under President George W. Bush's administration, 10 million people were deported. About 5 million people were deported under his successor, Barack Obama. Those numbers include what the Department of Homeland Security calls returns and removals. The Bush administration focused on worksite raids while Obama focused on deporting people with criminal histories and recent unauthorized border crossers.

EAST: The mass deportations did not improve housing prices. And if anything, they actually worsened housing prices because so many undocumented immigrants work in the construction industry. And it's clear from the research that U.S.-born workers do not take the jobs that are left behind when people are deported.

MARTÍNEZ: That's Chloe East, associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. Chloe, thank you.

EAST: Thank you so much.  "

Examining how undocumented migrants are affecting housing prices : NPR

Your sources aren't credible

And I think you know that. That's why you tried to post the whole thing to distract from the fact that the sources themselves were bogus. Normal people post the relevant portion and then list their source

And in fact Canadian research shows that he's quite correct. It does impact wages and it does impact inflation as well

[User]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

According to credible reports, that is completely false.

Can you stop spamming the forum?

Make a point, use a link and a quote from the source to back it up. You don't need to copy paste the whole damn thing. 

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, blackbird said:

According to credible reports, that is completely false.

quote

Here are some of the most widespread myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy, and the research that refutes them.

Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

After being detained and released by law enforcement, undocumented immigrants from Central America wait for assistance in a Catholic Charities relief center in McAllen, Texas. Photo by Loren Elliott/Reuters.

It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

WATCH:Proposed immigration policy penalizes legal residents for use of public benefits

In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.

Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes.

Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons.

First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years.

There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high.

“While it is really important to ensure that immigrants and their children have access to the safety net, there are already a lot of eligibility barriers in place,” said Hamutal Bernstein, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute.

Subscribe to Making Sen$e

Our newsletter about all things business, economics and your money

Enter your email address

Many immigrants are hesitant to take public benefits even if they are eligible, Peri said.

“There is a little bit of a stigma in applying for welfare because they have come here to work, to support their families,” Peri said.

Immigrants can be a financial burden to state and local governments through the cost of sending their children to public school — something Trump mentioned Thursday.

But Trump’s claim ignored a critical point. Educating those children has economic benefits later down the road when they get better-paying jobs and, in turn, pay higher taxes.

Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs

Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

unquote

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy | PBS News

A MARTÍNEZ, HOST:

During the vice presidential debate earlier this month, JD Vance made a claim that went straight to some of the biggest concerns for American voters - immigration and housing.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

JD VANCE: You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.

MARTÍNEZ: Chloe East is an associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. She has studied the impact of immigration on people born in the United States. The picture is more complex. I called her up to get to the bottom of how undocumented immigrants affect the U.S. housing market.

CHLOE EAST: JD Vance is incorrect in his claim. While undocumented immigrants may play a small role in increasing housing prices in some areas, the majority of the reason that we're seeing increases in housing prices is other factors separate from undocumented immigration.

MARTÍNEZ: What role would they play?

EAST: When more people move into an area, whether they're undocumented immigrants or not, they increase demand for housing in that area, but they also increase demand for other things too. So this includes restaurant meals, haircuts, et cetera. And that increase in demand that we see for housing will have a small impact on housing prices.

MARTÍNEZ: What are the main drivers?

EAST: So the main factor is a slowdown in new residential construction that has been happening since the Great Recession. Also, high interest rates that we've seen in the last few years have been causing people not to sell their home. There was also an increase in demand for housing during the pandemic because of an increase in remote work that allowed people to work from home and want to have larger houses to do so. And then finally, there's been an increase in more restrictive zoning laws across the country, and that has also led to depressed residential construction and housing.

MARTÍNEZ: And typically, what types of housing do undocumented migrants tend to live in?

EAST: So undocumented immigrants primarily rent homes rather than buy, partly because of limitations on buying because of their legal status or their limited legal status. Undocumented immigrants are also more likely to double up or live with extended family members or nonrelatives compared to U.S.-born households. So in some sense, you could actually think about them as having lower demand for housing than an average U.S.-born household.

MARTÍNEZ: Yeah. After the debate, JD Vance cited on X Michelle Bowman. She's a member of the board of governors at the Federal Reserve. And this was the quote - "Given the current low inventory of affordable housing, the inflow of new immigrants to some geographic areas could result in upward pressure on rents." What do you make of that? I mean, are migrants, legal or not, contributing to a pressure on rent prices?

EAST: Right. So rents have gone up about 30% since the beginning of the pandemic, and I think it is true that there might be some areas in the U.S. where immigration is having a small role to play in that increase in housing prices. But again, immigrants are not the main reason that we're seeing that 30% increase in rents. We have about 4.5 million fewer homes than new families in the U.S., according to the most recent estimates, and 1 in 4 renters spend over 50% of their income on housing.

MARTÍNEZ: Under President George W. Bush's administration, 10 million people were deported. About 5 million people were deported under his successor, Barack Obama. Those numbers include what the Department of Homeland Security calls returns and removals. The Bush administration focused on worksite raids while Obama focused on deporting people with criminal histories and recent unauthorized border crossers.

EAST: The mass deportations did not improve housing prices. And if anything, they actually worsened housing prices because so many undocumented immigrants work in the construction industry. And it's clear from the research that U.S.-born workers do not take the jobs that are left behind when people are deported.

MARTÍNEZ: That's Chloe East, associate professor of economics at the University of Colorado Denver. Chloe, thank you.

EAST: Thank you so much.  "

Examining how undocumented migrants are affecting housing prices : NPR

Sorry, that's all nonsensical. 

When people go to a country without legal status, and can't be hired for legit jobs, they work under the table and undercut legal employees. It's just natural that employers pay employees the lowest amount possible, and illegals have no leverage, aside from "will work for cheap". 

You can't tell me that all the guys waiting by Home Depot to jump on random painters'/carpenters'/roofers'/gardeners' trucks are demanding high wages lol. 

It's just impossible that 10M people crossed the border in 4 years to take shitty jobs and they don't live in low-rent units. I wasn't born yesterday. Regardless of where those 10M extra people live, they are driving up the cost of homes at some price point, but definitely not Nancy Pelosi's price point.

I just watched Anthony Bourdain's show the other day, he was in Beirut, and at one point he was mentioning that the part of town that the Palestinians used to live in was at that point in time (when islamic state was running rampant) almost all Syrians. So basically the poorest quarters were all taken over by the newest batch of poor people. All the people there were restricted to working and living in that one area, and guess what that means for their wages...?

This is all basic economics. Don't let a CNN talking head tell you that illegals don't take over low-level jobs. It's ludicrous and it's impossible. 

[Deluge]

On 7/14/2025 at 12:22 AM, blackbird said:

1. You take a very negative view of her,

2. maybe because you are trying to justify the mass arrests and deportations by Trump.   

3. So you falsely claim she was not a good person. 

4. Doesn't make any sense. 

5. She is as good a person as the average person in America.

1. You take a very positive view of her. There needs to be balance. 

2. There's nothing to try and justify. The majority of Americans want illegal aliens out of here and Trump is making good on his promise. 

3. She's an illegal alien. How good can an illegal alien be? The answer is not very good. But apparently she's self-deporting so a redemption arc is possible if she keeps her promise to self-deport. 

4. You almost never make sense. 

5. No, she's a better illegal alien than most illegal aliens because she's one of the few illegal aliens who are self-deporting. 

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On 7/14/2025 at 12:03 PM, blackbird said:

You are completely nuts and make no sense.  You are on a hate campaign.  She was brought to America when she was a kid and worked hard for 12 hrs a day six days a week.  That ought to tell you she is a hard-working honest person.  Then she had family and now grandkids.  Anybody knows the U.S. system of obtaining citizenship is very difficult and dangerous to get involved in for undocumented migrants.  That's probably why she didn't try to get too involved in it.   She was probably thinking of her family and not breaking it up by risking dealing with unreasonable bureaucrats who might just deport her for nothing, which obviously they do.

So I disagree with you on a number of levels.  I don't think you understand anything at all about life or how people have to struggle to survive.  You live in a fantasy land.

blackbird spews stories like that to divert attention from shit like this: