Alligator Alcatraz detainees allege inhumane conditions at immigration detention center

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

1. Says a lot about you guys that you are actually proud of this.

2. America descending to third world shithole status.

1. Proud of what? I want immigration under control. Only an a$$hole would fight to keep illegal aliens in this country. 

2. Thanks to the democrats, but we're fixing the problem even as you're secretly cheering for the global Marxists. 

[CDN1]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Says a lot about you guys that you are actually proud of this. America descending to third world shithole status.

Well, yeah. Import the third world in mass and you become the third world. That's on your prideful lot.

Edited July 11, 2025 by CDN1

[User]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Says a lot about you guys that you are actually proud of this. America descending to third world shithole status.

You have clearly never been to a third world shit hole. 

3 hours ago, herbie said:

And the peanut gallery cheers it on. Sadly, the rest do sweet f*ck all to stop it but use the laws being struck down and subverted as they do so.

 

How many illegal immigrants are living in your home? How many illegal immigrants are you helping enter Canada a day?

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Don't ever go there.  I doubt you would survive it.  Stay in mom's basement.

What a stupid comment. 

Why would any of us go there? We are not illegal immigrants breaking the law. 

 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Don't ever go there.  I doubt you would survive it.  Stay in mom's basement.

Oh, I'm not an illegal alien, pervert, so you'll never see me at Alligator Alcatraz.

I'm not a screaming eunuch, either, so you'll never see me in your mom's basement.  

[Aristides]

12 hours ago, CDN1 said:

Well, yeah. Import the third world in mass and you become the third world. That's on your prideful lot.

Ah, so that's the excuse. It's OK because they already are third world.

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Ah, so that's the excuse. It's OK because they already are third world.

It's OK for democrats, in fact, it's necessary. 

See, democrats think all laws and regulations prior to 1964 are too white and inherently racist. What they need is to flood the US with third world filth in order to burn everything to the ground. Once that happens, communist dictators can plant the pride flag at the top of the smoldering heap and rule in their new dystopian utopia. 

That about covers it, right perverts? 

[User]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Ah, so that's the excuse. It's OK because they already are third world.

Just to be clear here, you are OK with locking up criminal illegal immigrants who broke the law, pending their deportations and due process, you just don't like this particular facility. If it was nicer, then you would be 100% cool with the process of deportation for illegal immigrants?

[gatomontes99]

They better build 2 or 3 more:

[User]

13 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

They better build 2 or 3 more:

Holy shit!!!!

Yes. 

I watched that video and didn't understand why they didn't stop to arrest everyone. Maybe it was more of a we might be outnumbered just get out of here thing... but I say, have some agents on standby to literally snatch and grab people doing this. 

They have teams trained for rapid response designed to quickly move into a crowd of people, grab the lead agitators, and move out with them for arrest. 

You might not get all of them, but you can start weeding them out and usually, you get the leaders, you can kill these movements when the others watch them get arrested and drug through the legal system. 

 

[blackbird]

What's the point of arresting undocumented migrants who are working in jobs and earning an honest living and not criminals?  Arresting, imprisoning them and deporting them just for the purpose of obtaining political brownie points with his base seems to be what it is all about.  But taking people out of productive jobs in farming, service industries, and other jobs is only hurting America.

All this kind of hunting down migrants is based purely on lying politics to gain power and nothing to do with what's good for America.  It is being done in the most spectacular way possible to look tough to the base.

Edited July 12, 2025 by blackbird

[User]

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What's the point of arresting undocumented migrants who are working in jobs and earning an honest living and not criminals? 

LOL, and just the other day, you lied trying to claim you did not support this lawlessness. Here you are again, supporting it. 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

What's the point of arresting undocumented migrants who are working in jobs and earning an honest living and not criminals? 

They are in the country illegally, if somebody is on your property illegally you evict them.

Why are you pretending like you don't know this? If you don't want to evict them then the correct course of action would be to change the laws so that they were in the country legally

But yet again you advocate breaking the law instead of changing it.

[blackbird]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They are in the country illegally, if somebody is on your property illegally you evict them.

Why are you pretending like you don't know this? If you don't want to evict them then the correct course of action would be to change the laws so that they were in the country legally

But yet again you advocate breaking the law instead of changing it.

Nonsense.   If they are working, they are contributing to the economy and good for the country.  They should be given permanent residency status if they are not real criminals and are working.  Many of them have been in the U.S. for many years, some decades.  The only reason they're being arrested and deported is for Trump to look like the tough guy as he claims they are all criminals the way he speaks.  He is trying to look good with his insane MAGA base and look like he is fulfilling his promise to deport millions.  You have fallen for all the BS.

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[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nonsense. 

It's a simple truth and you're well aware of it. And even now you don't call for changes to the law you just called for people to break it

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 If they are working, they are contributing to the economy and good for the country. 

Oh yes, the Al Capone defense. Sure I'm a criminal over here but I also run soup kitchens so I'm a net benefit. I can be as criminal as i like as long as i'm also a productive citizen. 

That's not how it works.  IF they are not in the country lawfully then they are to be removed and that is perfectly reasonable and moral. 

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They should be given permanent residency status if they are not real criminals and are working. 

Obama didn't think so. He talked about it a bit but then did nothing. Biden didn't think so.

And the reason for that is because you have to be able to exercise sovereignty over your borders if you are going to pretend you're a soverign nation. 

It is the right and duty of a nation to dictate who is and is not allowed to join. And these people are benefiting from the hard work and infrastructure paid for by the people who actually have a right to the nation and they are stealing it.

What they are doing is absolutely no different than if someone broke into your house, stole a room and said I demand the right to stay here now that I've broken in, but I'll wash the dishes to make it fair.

The homeowner would have every right to say get the hell out. And in fact they'd be a fool not to.

And at the end of the day you keep saying real crime as if what they have done was not illegal. They have already proven they are willing to break the law that suits their interests , the only question that remains is how far will they take that. And it's fair to remove them rather than find out

 

A country has to maintain its borders if it's going to remain a country and people who violate that should be punished. And these people aren't even being punished they're just being told to leave.

[blackbird]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's a simple truth and you're well aware of it. And even now you don't call for changes to the law you just called for people to break it

Oh yes, the Al Capone defense. Sure I'm a criminal over here but I also run soup kitchens so I'm a net benefit. I can be as criminal as i like as long as i'm also a productive citizen. 

That's not how it works.  IF they are not in the country lawfully then they are to be removed and that is perfectly reasonable and moral. 

Obama didn't think so. He talked about it a bit but then did nothing. Biden didn't think so.

And the reason for that is because you have to be able to exercise sovereignty over your borders if you are going to pretend you're a soverign nation. 

It is the right and duty of a nation to dictate who is and is not allowed to join. And these people are benefiting from the hard work and infrastructure paid for by the people who actually have a right to the nation and they are stealing it.

What they are doing is absolutely no different than if someone broke into your house, stole a room and said I demand the right to stay here now that I've broken in, but I'll wash the dishes to make it fair.

The homeowner would have every right to say get the hell out. And in fact they'd be a fool not to.

And at the end of the day you keep saying real crime as if what they have done was not illegal. They have already proven they are willing to break the law that suits their interests , the only question that remains is how far will they take that. And it's fair to remove them rather than find out

 

A country has to maintain its borders if it's going to remain a country and people who violate that should be punished. And these people aren't even being punished they're just being told to leave.

I disagree. Many came from very bad places and are desperate and were just trying to survive.  You would do the same thing.  We have a lot of fakery on here.  You don't know what it's like unless you were in their shoes.

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

What's the point of arresting undocumented migrants who are working in jobs and earning an honest living and not criminals?  

The point is that they're illegal aliens and they broke into this country. Now, maybe there's some kind of visa we can put together for those like what you are describing, because they're actually contributing. But for the rest? Uh-uh; we kick their asses out. 

 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

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 If they are working, they are contributing to the economy and good for the country. 

Oh yes, the Al Capone defense. Sure I'm a criminal over here but I also run soup kitchens so I'm a net benefit. I can be as criminal as i like as long as i'm also a productive citizen. 

BS.  Being an undocumented immigrant is not normally considered as a criminal offence.  So quit your lying.  They are not criminals unless an actual criminal offence is committed.   I am not talking about people who have been convicted of a criminal offence.  We're talking about undocumented immigrants which is totally different.

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Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Considered Criminals

Millions of people from all over the world have legally entered the US and overstayed their visas, but this type of act does not make them criminals. Instead, they are considered undocumented, which is a civil violation under US law and not a criminal one. To be considered a criminal, an undocumented immigrant must first have committed a criminal act unrelated to their immigration status.

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Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Criminals | U.S. Immigration Law Counsel

 

[blackbird]

On 7/11/2025 at 7:59 AM, User said:

Just to be clear here, you are OK with locking up criminal illegal immigrants who broke the law, pending their deportations and due process, you just don't like this particular facility. If it was nicer, then you would be 100% cool with the process of deportation for illegal immigrants?

Illegal immigrants, that is, undocumented migrants, are not typically considered as criminals.  Only people like you call them criminals, but you're lying.

Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Criminals | U.S. Immigration Law Counsel

Edited July 12, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I disagree. Many came from very bad places and are desperate and were just trying to survive.  You would do the same thing.  We have a lot of fakery on here.  You don't know what it's like unless you were in their shoes.

It doesn't matter where they came from. It doesn't matter how desperate they are. It doesn't matter whether they are trying to survive or not. And it doesn't matter what I would do.

The only fakery here is yours. This is simple, they are where they are illegally. They have no right to be there. They broke in to steal something that someone else had because they felt that they either needed it or wanted it

Therefore they should be removed. And if you don't like it change the law. But a nation that will not enforce its own borders is no nation

[User]

53 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Illegal immigrants, that is, undocumented migrants, are not typically considered as criminals.  Only people like you call them criminals, but you're lying.

You have some nerve to call me a liar when I had you dead to rights twice for lying and you ran away like a coward when called out. 

You are conflating visa overstays with ALL illegal immigration; that is not the only way people are here unlawfully. People cross the border illegally and also abscond from their immigration hearings. 

That makes them criminals violating the law. Quoting an organization that supports this lawlessness hardly proves me wrong. They think a misdemeanor is not criminal when it is. 

I am not the liar here. You are. Once again. 

 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

We're talking about undocumented immigrants which is totally different.

Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

That makes them criminals violating the law.

No, it is not a criminal offence. 

You constantly accuse me of lying without saying specifically what the lie was.  You just said it without quoting what I said that was a lie.  Therefore nothing you say can be trusted.  If you were being honest, you would quote the actual lie I told and we could see if you are telling the truth, but you don't quote it.

"MYTH #1: Anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal.

Facts : Being an undocumented (or “illegal”) immigrant has been, until now, only a civil, not a criminal violation. Under federal immigration law, unlawful presence in this country is a civil offense. The civil penalty for being in this country unlawfully is deportation, or removal, which the U.S. Supreme Court has held is not “criminal punishment.” However, some states—like Arizona—are trying to criminalize an undocumented immigrant’s mere presence."

5 MYTHS ABOUT UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS

You will have to admit it is the MAGA states like Arizona that hate immigrants the most and want them treated like criminals. Democrats like less likely to treat them as criminals.

The truth is you believe undocumented immigrants are criminals.  But many many Americans do not believe that.

There are websites like the one or two I quoted that say they are not criminals.   So it is a matter of opinion.

OPINION IS NOT A LIE IF THERE IS REASON TO BELIEVE IT.

You don't understand the difference between a lie and an opinion.  You have a serious problem.

 

 

[User]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, it is not a criminal offence. 

Yes, it is: Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You constantly accuse me of lying without saying specifically what the lie was. 

This is another outright lie. I showed you explicitly how you lied over and over again and then you cowardly put me on ignore and ran away. 

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

MYTH #1: Anyone who enters the country illegally is a criminal.

Yet again: Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth is you believe undocumented immigrants are criminals.  But many many Americans do not believe that.

Not a belief: Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So it is a matter of opinion.

Not an opinion: Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

 

[blackbird]

25 minutes ago, User said:

Not an opinion: Entering the country unlawfully is a criminal offense. 8 U.S.C. § 1325

It is a matter of opinion simply because if people have a good reason for doing something such as escaping threats to their life or family, it cannot be considered a criminal act.  That is just common sense.

Immigration or migrants are necessary for the economy of a country.

"

According to a Gallup poll from October 2024, 21% of Americans view immigration as the most pressing non-economic concern. A joint study by Brookings, AEI, and the Niskanen Center analyzed high- and low-immigration scenarios under each candidate’s plan and found that net immigration would be far higher under Harris’s policies, with a forecasted net migration of 3.7 million in 2025 vs. Trump’s forecasted net migration of 740,000.

Such differences in immigration levels would directly impact economic growth. Harris’s policies could expand the labor force and boost GDP, while Trump’s measures could reduce GDP growth by as much as half a percentage point in 2025 alone—equivalent to about $130 billion. A Peterson Institute study warns that mass deportations under Trump’s plan would create inflationary pressures by shrinking the labor supply, driving up the cost of goods and services by several percentage points annually throughout his second term.

Expanding legal immigration, as Harris proposes, could address labor shortages in key sectors without negatively affecting native-born employment. Research by economists Giovanni Peri and Alessandro Caiumi showed that immigration raised wages for less-educated U.S.-born workers by between 1.7 and 2.6% between 2000 and 2019, and had no significant negative impact on employment among college-educated natives.

Are immigrants good or bad for the economy?

Immigrants play a critical role in driving economic growth, entrepreneurship, and innovation, as they are substantially more likely to start businesses than native-born individuals with similar characteristics. About half of all Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children, and such contributions fuel the economy by creating jobs and boosting productivity.

Additionally, immigrants contribute more in federal income and payroll taxes than they receive in federal benefits, further strengthening public finances. Immigration also helps control inflation by increasing labor market flexibility, making the economy more responsive to shifts in demand.

While the federal government reaps the long-term rewards of immigration through income taxes, states and local communities face the immediate financial and cultural burden of absorbing new arrivals. This misalignment creates resistance to immigration at the local level; however, some economists have suggested federal transfers to states and municipalities to provide the support needed to manage short-term costs, making communities more receptive to immigration."

The immigration debate: policies and perceptions in the 2024 U.S. Presidential Election

 

 

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, User said:

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You constantly accuse me of lying without saying specifically what the lie was. 

This is another outright lie. I showed you explicitly how you lied over and over again and then you cowardly put me on ignore and ran away. 

No it wasn't a lie.  I clearly recall you constantly accused me of lying without giving any quotes to show what the lie was.   Anybody would get tired of your comments and put you on ignore.

Just like you continue to do.

My opinions are not lies.  They are opinions.  You use the forum to accuse anybody you disagree with of lying.  Sick.

Edited July 13, 2025 by blackbird