When was the last time the Libs did something right, aside from when they were stealing Poilievre's ideas right before the election?

ExFlyer · 2025-06-16T19:29:19Z

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Seems more like it was a bad break for YOU, you're the only one this upset by it

Why? No bad break for me...my team was on the wining side. Sound like a good break to me LOL

I am far from upset.. as I have been saying, I am celebrating and every time you try to down play it, give me another opportunity to replay it LOL

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If we wanted to make our country better, we'd get rid of the high interest rates, soaring inflation, we'd heal the division caused by our LPOC gov't pretending that there was a mass-grave with 215 kids in it and calling Canadians genocidal, we'd heal the division caused by forced vaccinations and lies about the unvaccinated, we'd go back in time and avert Trudeau's energy sector cancellations so that we had a buffer against American trade hostility, etc.

All of that could be undone by preventing Trudeau from getting elected in 2015.

But weed is legal. YAY CANADA!

I think all that will come but...as with all things , it takes time. There is no magic pill or magic wand. When dealing with a dictator and egotist like Trump, ya gotta walk soflty and slowly down the road.

As for division, it seems the ones that the conservatives are the ones taking every opportunity to be negative.

The LPOC never said anything about 215 kids in unmarked graves,...that was the indigenous leaders and the governing party paid to have it investigated.

As for "forced vaccinations" well, it was your choice to get vaccinated or not but it had consequences, mostly put up by employers and their need to keep employees safe. What "lies about the unvaccinated"? No government position, declaration, news release ever said bad about folks that are unvaccinated ...that was social media, if it was anywhere.

As for Trudeaus energy cancellations", wasn't it the governing party that in fact bought out the pipelines that private enterprise bailed out and quit on and got them built??

Perhaps you are right but, Trudeau still got elected and re elected...why? Perhaps because the conservatives did not have a leader (4 times) and could not convince the Canadian public they had a plan, policy or ideas good enough for them to vote conservatives. This is 4 times in a row that the conservatives could not gain the confidence of Canadians and they are sticking with the 4th losing leader? How are you going to convince Canadians if you keep losing and having losing leaders?

ExFlyer · 2025-06-16T19:32:03Z

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a back-breaker for the country.

We need to end this sh1t-show ASAP.

100% correct.

You do realize that there has been no negative comments, releases or public statements from any government official about the conservatives?

CdnFox · 2025-06-16T21:21:43Z

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Why? No bad break for me...my team was on the wining side. Sound like a good break to me LOL

Dude it is painfully obvious that you're suffering. I get that you want to put a brave face on it but you've been emotionally distraught since the win. A number of people have commented on it and with good reason, your behavior is bordering on manic your favorite and desperate to present your views and have people acknowledge them and you become insanely emotionally upset anyone points out a simple fact or questions it.

Hell you became so emotionally distraught that you wound up posting all over the forum about how doing the same thing over and over is crazy and you did it over and over which was crazy! And then you wound up having to delete a thread that you started out of sheer embarrassment.

As I've said it seems that you're upset because we're not that upset. It's obviously causing you severe emotional trauma.

Not that you were exactly mentally well put together before then

SpankyMcFarland · 2025-06-16T23:51:27Z

The Tories have a persistent problem with tone. Since Mulroney they have rarely had a leader for long who looks like they’re enjoying themselves and can crack a joke or two. There were obvious messages to be pushing for the last ten years on fiscal prudence, corruption etc. but they couldn’t seem to do it with a smile. Then Poilievre doubled down on the creepy MAGA-esque stuff like crypto and convoys, and a level of snark suitable for here that actively repels many independent voters who might otherwise give his party a hearing. Perhaps such doom and gloom reflects where we are headed as a country but thank goodness it’s not a winning formula yet.

And why are they going to wait so long to review his leadership? Do it now and get some honest discussion going. He blew a massive lead for reasons obvious to everybody else and deserves a heap of robust criticism. It’s like JT’s very long goodbye or Jean Chretien’s for that mattter. Canadian parties need to wake up and do the necessary in a much more timely fashion. I’m not saying get rid of him necessarily but at least have the talk and put the issue to bed.

Edited 20 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

CdnFox · 2025-06-17T02:30:36Z

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The Tories have a persistent problem with tone. Since Mulroney they have rarely had a leader for long who looks like they’re enjoying themselves and can crack a joke or two. There were obvious messages to be pushing for the last ten years on fiscal prudence, corruption etc. but they couldn’t seem to do it with a smile. Then Poilievre doubled down on the creepy MAGA-esque stuff like crypto and convoys, and a level of snark suitable for here that actively repels many independent voters who might otherwise give his party a hearing. Perhaps such doom and gloom reflects where we are headed as a country but thank goodness it’s not a winning formula yet.

And why are they going to wait so long to review his leadership? Do it now and get some honest discussion going. He blew a massive lead for reasons obvious to everybody else and deserves a heap of robust criticism. It’s like JT’s very long goodbye or Jean Chretien’s for that mattter. Canadian parties need to wake up and do the necessary in a much more timely fashion. I’m not saying get rid of him necessarily but at least have the talk and put the issue to bed.

I think there's a small element of truth there but again, the guy won 41% of the vote. He actually got more than Chretien got in HIS first election by a nose, and more than chretien got in his second, more than harper ever managed, etc etc.

And his polling numbers were around that range for over a year, it's not like he was a flash in the pan like carney.

And he didn't blow a lead. A lot of the the other ídiots here who lean left might repeat that kind of garbage but you know that's not true. He never had a lead over carney after the leadership race was won. He had a lead over trudeua, who was protected and saved by the ndp (who got what they deserved as a result). Carney came in at a time when he could milk fears over donald trump and the media could lie about him enough to capitalize on that.

So lets not pretend you're as stupid as the rest of these twats when it comes to politics.

They're going to have a leadership review so late because they're not really having a reveiw about whether or not he should lead. He's going to be the leader. This is going to be a post mortem and importantly also be a discussion about where things go from here. There's some serious questions. What are they going to do with byrd? what's the direction they want to take now? what's the strategy? PP has to apologize for the mistakes he did make such as losing his seat which should never have happened.

There's no need to rush that, they'll use the time to do the research, do the polling, meet with canadians and conservatives across the country, figure out where to go from here. Carney will get at least a year, probably closer to 2, before he faces an election. The ndp is crippled and will take time to rebuild and they won't be voting down the gov't this week.

As to doing the 'necessary', the necessary is to abandon honest policy and telling the truth and look for ways to cheat the system and trick canadians. Which is how the liberals stayed in power isn't it. Carney got to be an unelected pm, flew around the world at the taxpayer's dime showing off, got to be the guy 'facing trump', all before an election after parliament was prorogued long enough specifically to put him in power after a fake leadership race.

We've got to be more like that. Western voters appreciate honesty but eastern voters do not, we'll have to learn to fight dirty better.

SpankyMcFarland · 2025-06-17T10:06:13Z

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

They're going to have a leadership review so late because they're not really having a reveiw about whether or not he should lead. He's going to be the leader. This is going to be a post mortem and importantly also be a discussion about where things go from here. There's some serious questions. What are they going to do with byrd? what's the direction they want to take now? what's the strategy? PP has to apologize for the mistakes he did make such as losing his seat which should never have happened.

There's no need to rush that, they'll use the time to do the research, do the polling, meet with canadians and conservatives across the country, figure out where to go from here. Carney will get at least a year, probably closer to 2, before he faces an election. The ndp is crippled and will take time to rebuild and they won't be voting down the gov't this week.

Come on now, do you believe any of that should take the best part of a year more? The time for straight, honest, open talk about the Tory defeat is now. He lost the election and in Australia he would have been gone in days at most after that. As I pointed out, Canadian parties tend to be way too deferential to their leaders and it’s high time we dumped that overboard.

Edited 10 hours ago by SpankyMcFarland

Nationalist · 2025-06-17T13:30:02Z

The last time Libbies did something right...depends on your perspective.

If you believe in higher taxes, warping gender, fascism...if you hate Canada and want to destroy it. Then the Libbies have been doing a fine job.

Elbows Up Libbies...lol.

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T13:40:25Z

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The last time Libbies did something right...depends on your perspective.

If you believe in higher taxes, warping gender, fascism...if you hate Canada and want to destroy it. Then the Libbies have been doing a fine job.

Elbows Up Libbies...lol.

Actually, the libbies did enough right for Canadians to decide to defeat the cons once again...for the 4th time.

You like PP, are always repeating a worn out old mantras...his being "axe the tax" and wore it out and you with your old "elbows up". Both are meaningless now. Time to get fresh new ones or just stop and listen to the populous.

WestCanMan · 2025-06-17T14:52:46Z

4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Come on now, do you believe any of that should take the best part of a year more? The time for straight, honest, open talk about the Tory defeat is now. He lost the election and in Australia he would have been gone in days at most after that. As I pointed out, Canadian parties tend to be way too deferential to their leaders and it’s high time we dumped that overboard.

The talk goes like this: "How do we get the CBC to say that our candidate is the best guy to deal with Trump next time? How do we get the CBC to show some fake polls that favour us instead of the Libs?"

Until we appoint a CPC leader that the CBC likes, the CPC will lose, but conservatives don't want to appoint a Trudeau to lead this country downhill, like we just watched for the past 10 years.

We have 1-party rule here, we just don't want to admit it.

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T14:57:50Z

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The talk goes like this: "How do we get the CBC to say that our candidate is the best guy to deal with Trump next time? How do we get the CBC to show some fake polls that favour us instead of the Libs?"

Until we appoint a CPC leader that the CBC likes, the CPC will lose, but conservatives don't want to appoint a Trudeau to lead this country downhill, like we just watched for the past 10 years.

We have 1-party rule here, we just don't want to admit it.

Are you saying the CBC should jump on your bandwagon and it would have made a difference??? LOL

Your conservative party has far bigger problems than the CBC LOL

If you think the CBC is why you lost, well, you are seriously misguided but then hey, just another excuse LOL

Legato · 2025-06-17T15:03:48Z

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Are you saying the CBC should jump on your bandwagon and it would have made a difference??? LOL

Your conservative party has far bigger problems than the CBC LOL

If you think the CBC is why you lost, well, you are seriously misguided but then hey, just another excuse LOL

The CBC is not why the conservatives lost, but why the Liberals squeaked a win.

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T15:10:12Z

1 minute ago, Legato said:

The CBC is not why the conservatives lost, but why the Liberals squeaked a win.

That is for sure.

Do you honestly think that all Canadians listen or watch the CBC?? That CTV, or Global, or CityTV and all the local stations are not viewed?

Or that the national and local newspapers are not read?

Or any of the other sources be they partisan, non partisan, dubious or just entertainment?

Seems like just another excuse for the losing conservative team

Landslide or squeaked by is still a win...

Legato · 2025-06-17T15:44:46Z

28 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

That is for sure.

Do you honestly think that all Canadians listen or watch the CBC?? That CTV, or Global, or CityTV and all the local stations are not viewed?

Or that the national and local newspapers are not read?

Or any of the other sources be they partisan, non partisan, dubious or just entertainment?

Seems like just another excuse for the losing conservative team

Landslide or squeaked by is still a win...

It seems like you wood/would be surprised on how much influence the MSM have on the voting public.

Some people I know voted LIberal because CTV ran endless hit pieces on Poilievre and booster articles on the Carney.

CdnFox · 2025-06-17T15:59:13Z

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Come on now, do you believe any of that should take the best part of a year more? The time for straight, honest, open talk about the Tory defeat is now. He lost the election and in Australia he would have been gone in days at most after that. As I pointed out, Canadian parties tend to be way too deferential to their leaders and it’s high time we dumped that overboard.

I absolutely do believe that it'll take about that long. Frist off that's not a year, thats 8 months. During that 8 months he's also got to fight a byelection and he BETTER not lose that so there's 6 weeks gone, then they'll have to speak to all the candidates, including the losing candidates, and talk about what happened in their ridings and what they experienced, they'll have to review the numbers and do a deep dive riding by riding to see what happened demographically, along with some polling, and then people are going to have to analyze those numbers and then share that data so others can develop their own thoughts (not everyone's going to agree on what the numbers mean) and then he'll have to come up with some options to move forward that he can present that are plausible.

AND!!! - according to the bylaws of the conservatives it's to take place in conjunction with the party's policy convention. Which makes sense. And THAT requires at a bare MINIMUM 6 months to pick the delegates, agree on the agendas, pick a venue and give people time to make travel plans.

Seriously - how on earth did you think all that would happen in LESS than 8 months? No other leadership reveiw ever happened substantially faster than that.

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

As I pointed out, Canadian parties tend to be way too deferential to their leaders and it’s high time we dumped that overboard.

absolute bullshit. If anything the system proves we're not. At least not the conservatives. The conservatives have methods to trash a bad leader anytime they want, something the libs don't. Conservatives have ditched 50 percent of their leaders after a first time loss, and they consider the matter carefully.

CdnFox · 2025-06-17T16:02:31Z

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Actually, the libbies did enough right for Canadians to decide to defeat the cons once again...for the 4th time.

Actually carney campaigned on the promise that he would do EVERYTHING DIFFEERENT. He scrapped the carbon tax he scrapped the capital gains changes, he scrapped a bunch of liberal things and then promised to do what the conservatives suggested. People HATED what the libs had done

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T16:28:04Z

41 minutes ago, Legato said:

It seems like you wood/would be surprised on how much influence the MSM have on the voting public.

Some people I know voted LIberal because CTV ran endless hit pieces on Poilievre and booster articles on the Carney.

Nope, I am not. I am actual;l glad they listen to or watch MSM instead of social media.

Of course you would know those people...they are YOUR people..... the whiners and complainers that lost

If you guys hate MSM so much, why did you pay so much attention to it?? LOL

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T16:31:20Z

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Actually carney campaigned on the promise that he would do EVERYTHING DIFFEERENT. He scrapped the carbon tax he scrapped the capital gains changes, he scrapped a bunch of liberal things and then promised to do what the conservatives suggested. People HATED what the libs had done

Nope, he campaigned on he was going to do what was good for Canada. And he did

I guess people hated what the cons and PP had to offer even more , hence , the Carney and the libs won Ha Ha Ha.

But hey.. you knew that LOSER LOL

WestCanMan · 2025-06-17T17:00:38Z

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

my team was on the wining side.

Are you Chinese or Saudi?

WestCanMan · 2025-06-17T17:13:28Z

21 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The LPOC never said anything about 215 kids in unmarked graves,...that was the indigenous leaders and the governing party paid to have it investigated.

No, Trudeau just told the world that we committed genocide. Even the Iranians were quoting your dear leader.

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As for "forced vaccinations" well, it was your choice to get vaccinated or not but it had consequences, mostly put up by employers and their need to keep employees safe. What "lies about the unvaccinated"? No government position, declaration, news release ever said bad about folks that are unvaccinated ...that was social media, if it was anywhere.

Lying id10t.

The gov't offered that employers could fire employees for not taking the pseudovax, and the gov't also said "No EI or CERB for you if you get fired for not taking the pseudovax". It was basic economic obliteration for anyone who refused.

Every low-IQ covid Karen in HR could go full Nazi on employees who who didn't get the jab.

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As for Trudeaus energy cancellations", wasn't it the governing party that in fact bought out the pipelines that private enterprise bailed out and quit on and got them built??

When Trudeau went on TV and said "Eventually we will phase out the oil sands", it created a hostile environment towards investors and they all bailed. It cost us $130B directly, in projects that were ready to go, but there would have been other projects in the hopper that were cancelled that we never heard about.

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Perhaps you are right but, Trudeau still got elected and re elected...why?

Because he blatantly bribed the CBC and "select media outlets" with billions of dollars, a-hole. Where have you been this whole time? Shanghai? Riyadh? Tehran?

He gave the CBC $675M with 1 month of winning the 2015 election, "select media outlets" $600M before the 2019 election, $90M to media outlets whose names he ket secret before the 2021 election, and then Carney promised to "nearly double the CBC's budget" before the 2025 election, and their budget is $1.3B. So "nearly doubling it" is approximately $1 billion. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less.

CdnFox · 2025-06-17T17:28:14Z

43 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Nope, he campaigned on he was going to do what was good for Canada. And he did

See, if you really believed that you would'nt need to lie. Not only did he campaign on the conservative promises but he also did NOT do them. We were supposed to have full free trade amongst the provinces by july 1, not happening, we were supposed to 'deal with trump' and resolve tarrifs, not happening, we were supposed to cut the deficit in half, DEFINITELY not happening and he's scared to produce a budget to show just how bad it's not happening

So you know what you're saying is a lie, but you have to say it because you can't cope with the truth

Well, it's a minority. He should enjoy the time he has left.

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T17:31:24Z

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you Chinese or Saudi?

Huh??? Is that your attempt at an insult??? LOL

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

No, Trudeau just told the world that we committed genocide. Even the Iranians were quoting your dear leader.

Lying id10t.

The gov't offered that employers could fire employees for not taking the pseudovax, and the gov't also said "No EI or CERB for you if you get fired for not taking the pseudovax". It was basic economic obliteration for anyone who refused.

Every low-IQ covid Karen in HR could go full Nazi on employees who who didn't get the jab.

When Trudeau went on TV and said "Eventually we will phase out the oil sands", it created a hostile environment towards investors and they all bailed. It cost us $130B directly, in projects that were ready to go, but there would have been other projects in the hopper that were cancelled that we never heard about.

Because he blatantly bribed the CBC and "select media outlets" with billions of dollars, a-hole. Where have you been this whole time? Shanghai? Riyadh? Tehran?

He gave the CBC $675M with 1 month of winning the 2015 election, "select media outlets" $600M before the 2019 election, $90M to media outlets whose names he ket secret before the 2021 election, and then Carney promised to "nearly double the CBC's budget" before the 2025 election, and their budget is $1.3B. So "nearly doubling it" is approximately $1 billion. Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less.

"PM didn't use the word 'genocide' in his speech after accepting the MMIWG inquiry" PM didn't use the word 'genocide' in his speech after accepting the MMIWG inquiry

The "Truth and Reconciliation Commission later condemned that system as a form of “cultural genocide.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/world/canada/trudeau-indigenous-schools-newfoundland-labrador.html

So, your memory failed you .

The government never said employers could fire those employees that chose not ti take COVID vaccinations.

Employers have obligations to keep employees and clients and customers sage and may choose to lay off or fire those that do not get vaccinated.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8346843/labour-lawyer-demand-fired-unvaccinated-workers/

https://www.benefitscanada.com/human-resources/hr-law/what-can-employers-do-if-workers-avoid-coronavirus-vaccines/

yes he said "

"We can't shut down the oilsands tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels. That is going to take time. And in the meantime, we have to manage that transition."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/justin-trudeau-oilsands-phase-out-1.3934701

He gave every media source ,including your beloved Rebel Media, money to keep them from going broke from facebook and google. Every media company in Canada got money.

ExFlyer · 2025-06-17T17:40:31Z

12 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

See, if you really believed that you would'nt need to lie. Not only did he campaign on the conservative promises but he also did NOT do them. We were supposed to have full free trade amongst the provinces by july 1, not happening, we were supposed to 'deal with trump' and resolve tarrifs, not happening, we were supposed to cut the deficit in half, DEFINITELY not happening and he's scared to produce a budget to show just how bad it's not happening

So you know what you're saying is a lie, but you have to say it because you can't cope with the truth

Well, it's a minority. He should enjoy the time he has left.

What lie??? Carney won LOL

He campaigned on what was best for Canada.... and Canadians saw he was the one to do it.

If he "stole" from PP, why did Canadians not vote for PP? It was because PP was not credible.

Check your calendar dude...it' ain't July 1 yet LOL

Dealing with the US is happening every day. ]I can assure you they do not have to tell us (especially you) what goes on behind closed doors. LOL

The deficit is what it is...you need to spend to do things. If you cut carbon tax, ya gotta get the money from somewhere. Oh and he never said he would cut it in half...that is a lie that you are trying to pass LOL

He does not have to produce a budget. Harper waited 9 months for his last budget when he had a minority government and then he had to prorogue government and bail out and lost...and the conservatives have not won since...with 4 leaders and 4 elections and 10 years. LOL

No lies at all.

I am OK with a minority... it is a Liberal minority and the cons don't even have a leader in the house LOL

Nice try though. I just love rubbing salt into your open wounds LOL

Edited 3 hours ago by ExFlyer

CdnFox · 2025-06-17T17:53:13Z

11 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

What lie??? Carney won LOL

Nobody said he didn't.

LOLOLOL - not only do you lie, not only do you lie about lying, but now you even lie about what you were lying about in the first place

Man. You're a mess

WestCanMan · 2025-06-17T18:00:40Z

23 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Huh??? Is that your attempt at an insult??? LOL

"PM didn't use the word 'genocide' in his speech after accepting the MMIWG inquiry" PM didn't use the word 'genocide' in his speech after accepting the MMIWG inquiry

The "Truth and Reconciliation Commission later condemned that system as a form of “cultural genocide.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/world/canada/trudeau-indigenous-schools-newfoundland-labrador.html

So, your memory failed you .

The government never said employers could fire those employees that chose not ti take COVID vaccinations.

Employers have obligations to keep employees and clients and customers sage and may choose to lay off or fire those that do not get vaccinated.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8346843/labour-lawyer-demand-fired-unvaccinated-workers/

https://www.benefitscanada.com/human-resources/hr-law/what-can-employers-do-if-workers-avoid-coronavirus-vaccines/

yes he said "

You're such a sleazy, lying piece of sh1t.

You know that Trudeau pimped the genocide narrative, and that it was echoed worldwide. Our MSM wasn't even talking about other ways that children might have died aside from murder/neglect, and our gov't let this go on for a year uninvestigated.

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"We can't shut down the oilsands tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels. That is going to take time. And in the meantime, we have to manage that transition."

What message does that send to investors? Are you stupid?

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He gave every media source ,including your beloved Rebel Media, money to keep them from going broke from facebook and google. Every media company in Canada got money.

Is bribing more media sources bad?

So what if Rebel got money? They were planted on their faces every time they got within 100 yards of Trudeau... Our country is a f'ing joke, flyer. Stop trying to pretend that it's not.