Moonlight Graham Posted Saturday at 02:23 PM Report Posted Saturday at 02:23 PM 5 hours ago, CdnFox said: I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'm not a huge fan of war crimes. But I feel the term war crimes gets thrown around quite a bit and often without being entirely justified. What are examples of what you're thinking of as being war crimes? Using the denial of food aid as a weapon of war. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:27 PM 19 hours ago, eyeball said: Wow, you almost sound like you're finally getting a handle on human nature. Yet another moronic dishonest comment. YOU were the one pushing the stupidity of arresting people for war crimes and when I point out that stupidity, you compliment me as if I were the one who didn't get it... Quote
User Posted Saturday at 03:47 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:47 PM 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Fair point. I understand why they occupied the Golan Heights etc for strategic defense purposes, I don't blame them for that. But that's different than building West Bank settlements and using the denial of food as a war tactic. Israel is never going to please everyone but they do themselves no favors in international eyes when they do things like commit war crimes. Israel's existence depends on international support from the US and other western countries, and that support shouldn't be completely unconditional. Well, they hold West Bank Settlements as security buffer zones.At the end of the day "Internation Law" is being violated a dozen different ways in how Israel controls these areas, it is not just if they somehow gave 100% of it back, but then too, any actions they are taking to continue a blockade to inspect for arms... You see, every layer you peel back is another "International Law" they are violating to the point they would be beyond vulnerable to enemies controlling Gaza that have stated their mission is to destroy them. So... you demand Israel follow "International Law" just to let Hamas import every weapon system they desire to fulfill their mission to destroy Israel? It is not as easy as just saying give back the West Bank. Israel is doing more than any other nation on Earth would ever do in thier position to limit the impact of war on civilians. This notion that they are committing war crimes is BS. Quote
User Posted Saturday at 03:50 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:50 PM 9 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Are you saying no actions of Israel should ever be criticized? I support their right to self-defense and to eliminate Hamas but they do sometimes go too far. Israel is far more ethical than Hamas, but Hamas shouldn't be the standard of behaviour. I do think it's very hypocrtical No, I am saying your criticism is two-faced. You say you support them defending themselves, but then criticize them for doing so. Israel is not just far more ethical than Hamas, what they are doing is more than anyone would ever do in a similar circumstance. Well, maybe France would have just outright surrendered to Hamas. Even now, you say you support them eliminating Hamas... well, eliminating an enemy that uses their own people as human shields to hide behind is not easily done without some collateral damage. 1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said: Using the denial of food aid as a weapon of war. They are and should be under no obligations to continue to let Hamas control that food aid for their own purposes to continue to wage war, to continue to control the people of Gaza. Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 04:07 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:07 PM 38 minutes ago, User said: you compliment me as if I were the one who didn't get it... You still don't get it. What you said also applies to Palestinians. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM 8 minutes ago, eyeball said: You still don't get it. What you said also applies to Palestinians. Again, this is still your same dumb BS argument, you are now having it with yourself. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 04:45 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:45 PM 20 minutes ago, User said: Again, this is still your same dumb BS argument, Of course ....yet on some level you do understand that it's in people's nature to fight back when they're attacked. You stink at arguing that everything is vague and puzzling to you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Report Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM 3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Using the denial of food aid as a weapon of war. It's not a war crime in the slightest if what you're trying to do is deny food resources to enemy combatants. Hamas intercepts those food deliveries and it perpetuates the war. It is 100% legitimate to withhold the food until you can resolve that. And the Israelis have been working on ways to do just that. Sorry, that was a miss. Did you have any other war crimes? 1 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted Saturday at 07:08 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:08 PM 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Of course ....yet on some level you do understand that it's in people's nature to fight back when they're attacked. You stink at arguing that everything is vague and puzzling to you. The argument was never about my not being able to understand people fight back when attacked, it was about your ignorant and dishonest notion about prosecuting war criminals. Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 07:22 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:22 PM 3 minutes ago, User said: The argument was never about my not being able to understand people... It is when you keep saying you don't understand simple terms and basic human nature. I mean, if you'd rather we all just conclude you really are ignorant...okay. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted Saturday at 07:23 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:23 PM Just now, eyeball said: It is when you keep saying you don't understand simple terms and basic human nature. I mean, if you'd rather we all just conclude you really are ignorant...okay. I never said any of that. As usual, we get to the point in the thread where your lies have long caught up to you and you play these stupid games. Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 07:27 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:27 PM Just now, User said: I never said any of that. You underscore it every time you put your confusion around the world oppression on display. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted Saturday at 07:28 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:28 PM 1 minute ago, eyeball said: You underscore it every time you put your confusion around the world oppression on display. Another lie. The issue is not with my understanding of the word, its that you use it vaguely and refuse to explain exactly what you are talking about. 1 Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 07:31 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:31 PM Just now, User said: The issue is not with my understanding of the word, its that you use it vaguely and refuse to explain exactly what you are talking about. I've explained several times it's exactly what Einstein was talking about when he objected to the treatment of Palestinians. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:43 PM 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: I've explained several times it's exactly what Einstein was talking about when he objected to the treatment of Palestinians. All you've explained is that at any cost you support terrorists. Anything else is just lies that you come up with to support that 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
User Posted Saturday at 07:44 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:44 PM 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: I've explained several times it's exactly what Einstein was talking about when he objected to the treatment of Palestinians. We are so far gone removed from every time you have used that term now and all the different contexts and this answer doesn't say anything either. So, you go dig up the last comment you made where you used oppression and you think I was confused, then you explain exactly what it is Einstein said that applies and why. Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 07:49 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:49 PM 1 minute ago, User said: So, you go dig up the last comment you made where you used oppression and you think I was confused, then you explain exactly what it is Einstein said that applies and why. Yup, and I'll keep going back to where you started running away everytime. What is it you think Einstein said that doesn't apply and why? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted Saturday at 07:50 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:50 PM Just now, eyeball said: Yup, and I'll keep going back to where you started running away everytime. What is it you think Einstein said that doesn't apply and why? Apply where to what? This is once again your stupid argument. You go make it. Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 07:58 PM Report Posted Saturday at 07:58 PM Just now, User said: Apply where to what? Israel's oppression of Palestinians. 3 minutes ago, User said: This is once again your stupid argument. You go make it. I did, and I corroborated it with Einstein's observation. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
User Posted Saturday at 08:17 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:17 PM 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: Israel's oppression of Palestinians. What oppression? What is your point here? Why are you bringing this up? 18 minutes ago, eyeball said: I did, and I corroborated it with Einstein's observation. No, you didn't. What observation? About what? What is your point in regards to what? Quote
eyeball Posted Saturday at 08:28 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:28 PM 10 minutes ago, User said: What oppression? LMAO! 12 minutes ago, User said: No, you didn't. Oh yes, I did. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Moonlight Graham Posted yesterday at 04:31 AM Report Posted yesterday at 04:31 AM On 6/14/2025 at 11:47 AM, User said: Well, they hold West Bank Settlements as security buffer zones.At the end of the day "Internation Law" is being violated a dozen different ways in how Israel controls these areas, it is not just if they somehow gave 100% of it back, but then too, any actions they are taking to continue a blockade to inspect for arms... You see, every layer you peel back is another "International Law" they are violating to the point they would be beyond vulnerable to enemies controlling Gaza that have stated their mission is to destroy them. So... you demand Israel follow "International Law" just to let Hamas import every weapon system they desire to fulfill their mission to destroy Israel? It is not as easy as just saying give back the West Bank. The point of building the settlements is not simply "security buffer zones". Quote Israel is doing more than any other nation on Earth would ever do in thier position to limit the impact of war on civilians. This notion that they are committing war crimes is BS. I defend Israel as much as anyone, but the denial of food aid is a war crime. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted yesterday at 04:34 AM Report Posted yesterday at 04:34 AM (edited) On 6/14/2025 at 1:29 PM, CdnFox said: It's not a war crime in the slightest if what you're trying to do is deny food resources to enemy combatants. Hamas intercepts those food deliveries and it perpetuates the war. It is 100% legitimate to withhold the food until you can resolve that. And the Israelis have been working on ways to do just that. False. Quote Sorry, that was a miss. Did you have any other war crimes? How old are you, 5? Edited yesterday at 04:35 AM by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
User Posted yesterday at 04:41 AM Report Posted yesterday at 04:41 AM 4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: The point of building the settlements is not simply "security buffer zones". You brought up their not following international law generally... so is the settlements the only one you are concerned with now? And yes, the original history of the settlements was for a security buffer zone. 8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: I defend Israel as much as anyone, but the denial of food aid is a war crime. Denial of food aid... how? Israel is simply structuring the distribution of food aid so that it doesn't go to Hamas and will go to the people who need it. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted yesterday at 04:54 AM Report Posted yesterday at 04:54 AM 9 minutes ago, User said: Denial of food aid... how? Israel is simply structuring the distribution of food aid so that it doesn't go to Hamas and will go to the people who need it. That's simply not true. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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