PM Carney says there should be a two-state solution, which clearly contradicts the Bible

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Where did I say that?   You still didn't answer the question?

Yes, I did. 

[blackbird]

16 minutes ago, User said:

Yes, I did. 

You said "Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life. "

That sounds very similar to Romanism in that you say it is a process depending on the individual.  You must earn your way into heaven. 

I gave you a chance to explain and you refused to explain what you meant.

[User]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You said "Christians must still repent, seek forgiveness, and strive to live a sin-free life. "

That sounds very similar to Romanism in that you say it is a process depending on the individual.  You must earn your way into heaven. 

I gave you a chance to explain and you refused to explain what you meant.

No, you infer something I did not say. Just as you have been dishonest this entire thread in claiming things about Catholics that are not true and ignore what they actually say. 

You profess to be a Christian here, so is being this dishonest part of that?

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, User said:

No, you infer something I did not say. Just as you have been dishonest this entire thread in claiming things about Catholics that are not true and ignore what they actually say. 

You profess to be a Christian here, so is being this dishonest part of that?

Now you are getting desperate.

[Gaétan]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You didn't answer the question.   When have you done enough or loved your neighbour enough to go to heaven?

The way you speak, you don't meet these conditions and the other solution for you is to repent of them. We see that you want all the Palestinians to be killed because it has been put into your head that this land belongs to the Europeans who invaded the country.

[User]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Now you are getting desperate.

Not really. 

[blackbird]

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Striving or Saved?

But to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5

Worketh not, but believeth. . ." is a manifesto which marks a MAJOR distinction between Christianity and those religionists who take the first step of initiation/or baptism and then spend the remainder of their lives laboring on the ladder, hoping each 'good work' will lift them closer to God's blue vaulted landing. Clouds of unbelief conceal from their view the Son of God descending Jacob's ladder to reach mankind. Jesus said, he that "climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief. . ." (John 10:1).

Robbers in the West like Aristotle, and later Aquinas attempted the ascent, erecting a staircase for scholars. The East has its highwayman, the Hindu, who, "considers himself alone to be responsible for his salvation," a feat similar to scaling the Himalayas.  Buddhists boost themselves up the steep bank traveling their 'Eightfold Path': (1) right views (2) aspiration (3) speech (4) conduct (5) livelihood (6) endeavor (7) mindfulness (8) meditation.

Airports full of American Krishnas coax passersby, "Salvation must be earned by performing a series of works." Mediums like Edgar Cayce agree saying, "Salvation is something man does on his own. It is not a work of God. . ." New Age leader David Spangler chimes, "Man is his own salvation."   His sentiments voice the opinion of the movement as a whole says Constance Cumby. The movement teaches that man is saved by initiation and works rather than through the grace of God and faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.  A new world religion springing from a world already weighed down with a works-based salvation will adapt to this status quo.

So the new versions are modified to match their mentor —Martha, not Mary. (Their changes are usually based on the 'Ghostly Guild's Greek 1% Text so manuscript evidence will not be cited for each change.) Observe the trend in the following eight instances. Martha was cumbered about much serving. . .Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful and Mary hath chosen that. . .Luke 10:40-42 (1) "One thing" is changed to "a few things" in the NASB, in spite of the fact that the oldest papyri, P75 and P45, as well as the great majority of manuscripts, say "one thing." Embarrassed scholars are now doing an about face. (2) Regarding the 'one thing' that was needful, that is, listening to Christ's words, the new versions omit or obscure references to bible teaching, studying or meditation.

Salvation is simple.  (King James Version)

•It's as simple as calling to the Lord. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans 10:13

•It's as simple as coming when called. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 1 1:28

•It's as simple as entering a door, I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved. John 10:9

•It's as simple as receiving a gift. For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

•It's as simple as believing God. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

(5) "For by grace are ye saved through faith: and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8,9). Verses critical to an understanding of this concept are omitted from the new version.   unquote

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New Age Bible Versions : G. A. Riplinger, Gail : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Edited May 24 by blackbird

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

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Did you have a point here or just more spam?

 

[blackbird]

48 minutes ago, User said:

Did you have a point here or just more spam?

 

Not sure why you call it spam.   It was just some verses showing salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.  That was the motto of the Reformers like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and Knox.  It also shows how you live or work has nothing to do with salvation.  Hope you will see the importance of that.

False religion is built on self effort for salvation.  

Edited May 24 by blackbird

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not sure why you call it spam. 

Because you offered no point... it was just spam. 

What does this have to do with anything?

[blackbird]

32 minutes ago, User said:

Because you offered no point... it was just spam. 

What does this have to do with anything?

I explained it to you just now.  It shows salvation is by faith alone.  That has everything to do with what we were talking about.  

You said "Christians must still ..........................strive to live a sin-free life. "  We were talking about salvation.  What does that have to do with salvation? Can you explain?  Or would you agree it has nothing to do with salvation?

Edited May 24 by blackbird

[User]

24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I explained it to you just now.  It shows salvation is by faith alone.  That has everything to do with what we were talking about.  

You said "Christians must still ..........................strive to live a sin-free life. "  We were talking about salvation.  What does that have to do with salvation? Can you explain?  Or would you agree it has nothing to do with salvation?

We were talking about your absurd claim about Catholics. I offered that as an example for how you were wrong. 
 

All paths lead back to your juvenile assertions. 

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, User said:

We were talking about your absurd claim about Catholics. I offered that as an example for how you were wrong. 
 

All paths lead back to your juvenile assertions. 

Ok if you as a Christian want to just throw insults that is your choice, but it is not Christian.  I tried to discuss what salvation means but you can't discuss it rationally.  Any orthodox Bible believing person knows all the info I posted about Romanism is a fact.  The Bible backs up what I told you.  I gave you many verses, and you refuted none.   All you do is made ridiculous replies saying it is spam or absurd claims.  Catholicism is a false religion.  

If you are not a Catholic, what are you?  Perhaps Penticostal or ecumenist of some kind.   You reject the truths of the Reformation, yet accept Romanism as legitimate Christianity.  You don't accept the Bible.

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Ok if you as a Christian want to just throw insults that is your choice, but it is not Christian.  I tried to discuss what salvation means but you can't discuss it rationally.  Any orthodox Bible believing person knows all the info I posted about Romanism is a fact.  The Bible backs up what I told you.  I gave you many verses, and you refuted none.   All you do is made ridiculous replies saying it is spam or absurd claims.  Catholicism is a false religion.  

If you are not a Catholic, what are you?  Perhaps Penticostal or ecumenist of some kind.   You reject the truths of the Reformation, yet accept Romanism as legitimate Christianity.  You don't accept the Bible.

Insults? I criticize what you say and this entire discussion and others you throw around the derogatory “Romanism” garbage.
 

You are not trying to discuss salvation, you are repeatedly lying about what Catholics believe and proclaiming they are not Christian on top of all your other extreme rhetoric about how every Bible is wrong except the King James.

You hold very extreme views, and believe lies about everyone else and push that crap here. 

So no, this isn’t some nice discussion about salvation. 
 

[West]

On 5/21/2025 at 9:12 AM, User said:

Well, regardless of the religious arguments here... that is not what happened. 

 

Exactly. The Jewish people purchased a good chunk of that land back over time

[cannuck]

On 5/21/2025 at 7:43 AM, blackbird said:

Are you a Roman Catholic?

I do not ascribe to ANY religious cult.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

I do not ascribe to ANY religious cult.

Thank you for answering.  That doesn't clearly answer the question though.  A person can be a Roman Catholic and believe any other religion or religious belief system is a cult.  Usually people who believe in a certain religion consider every other religion as a cult.  So when you say you don't ascribe to any religious cult, that could mean you are a Roman Catholic and don't ascribe to any other belief system because you consider them as a cult.  Do you follow?

The definition of cult according to the Merriam Webster dictionary online is:  

1: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious 

So you could still believe in one religion and say you don't ascribe to any religious "cult", cult meaning any religious system that is not what you believe in.  

Let me put it this way, do you have any religious beliefs or association with any religious organization? 

Were you baptized in the Roman Catholic church or raised in it or just never attended it?  Most RCs do not attend their church.  Some possibly once or twice a year.   Some have a loose connection to it and although they never attend it, they still consider themselves as RCs.

 

Edited Saturday at 03:35 PM by blackbird

[User]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Thank you for answering.  That doesn't clearly answer the question though. 

What is the point?

Even when I answered, you just say you don't believe me. 

None of this adds anything to the false things you are claiming here. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

What is the point?

Even when I answered, you just say you don't believe me. 

None of this adds anything to the false things you are claiming here. 

I was replying to cannuck.

[User]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I was replying to cannuck.

And I replied to you. 

[blackbird]

Many people don't know much history, especially the violent history of Romanism.  Rome ruled the western world for centuries and for four centuries they had the Holy Roman Inquisition.  You can Google it and find books to read that describe what that was like.  Anyone who did not bow the knee to Rome or anyone who questioned Rome by joining any group of Bible believers could be dragged before a tribunal of the Inquisition.  They could be found guilty of heresy, imprisoned, tortured, or executed.   An unknown number of so-called heretics were martyred over the centuries.

Rome's religious system is a very complex system of beliefs.  When people heard about what the Bible teaches they discovered the early system of Christianity from the time of Christ and the Apostles was a very simple faith.  It was simply faith in Christ alone.  There was no Pope, priests controlling everything in everyone's personal life through a confessional, no sacraments except a simple baptism of believers.  So nobody had to be a slave to a rich, powerful church that controlled everyone's life for 1,700 years.  When people heard what Christianity was like in the days of Christ, they were converted to Christ.  This didn't sit well with Rome down through the centuries because then they lost control over these people.  Hence the Inquisition.  But there is a lot more to it than that.  History is a long story and takes us up to today.

Edited Sunday at 02:30 PM by blackbird

[Gaétan]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

 Millions of so-called heretics were martyred over the centuries.

 

Because they believed the opposite of what you believe, the god of the Old Testament is the devil.

[blackbird]

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The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions.

Catharists

The Inquisition has its origins in the early organized persecution of non-Catholic Christian religions in Europe. In 1184 Pope Lucius III sent bishops to southern France to track down heretics called Catharists. These efforts continued into the 14th Century.

During the same period, the church also pursued the Waldensians in Germany and Northern Italy. In 1231, Pope Gregory charged the Dominican and Franciscan Orders to take over the job of tracking down heretics."

Inquisition - Spanish, Roman & Torture | HISTORY

 

[Gaétan]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

The Inquisition was a powerful office set up within the Catholic Church to root out and punish heresy throughout Europe and the Americas. Beginning in the 12th century and continuing for hundreds of years, the Inquisition is infamous for the severity of its tortures and its persecution of Jews and Muslims. Its worst manifestation was in Spain, where the Spanish Inquisition was a dominant force for more than 200 years, resulting in some 32,000 executions.

Catharists

The Inquisition has its origins in the early organized persecution of non-Catholic Christian religions in Europe. In 1184 Pope Lucius III sent bishops to southern France to track down heretics called Catharists. These efforts continued into the 14th Century.

During the same period, the church also pursued the Waldensians in Germany and Northern Italy. In 1231, Pope Gregory charged the Dominican and Franciscan Orders to take over the job of tracking down heretics."

Inquisition - Spanish, Roman & Torture | HISTORY

 

These Christians were persecuted, tortured, and killed because they said that your god is the devil and what they did is an evidence that it was true. We discussed before that salvation comes through works.

Edited Sunday at 06:41 PM by Gaétan

[blackbird]

"

The Heretic's Fork was a medieval torture device used during the Inquisition to punish accused heretics.

This simple yet brutal tool consisted of a metal fork with two sharp prongs at each end, connected by a leather strap or collar.

One end of the fork pressed under the chin, while the other pierced the chest, forcing the victim to hold their head upright.

If they moved or nodded off, the prongs would stab into their flesh. This device was designed to inflict prolonged discomfort, rather than immediate death, instilling fear and control over the accused...."